when you couch it as a left vs right instead of a top vs down problem you will lock yourself (and your immediate circle) up in the hardline media items the people who lobby both sides will control.

as disclosure: i am socially liberal and fiscally conservative except in matters relating to education, which i believe should be free (and tuition rate controlled). never voted for trump, never will. wanted to write in bernie for the first pass until he dropped, then threw for the queen of england. i didn't vote in the last election. i consider ice to be an illegal and fascist arm of too large a state.

the most arresting argument i've heard a leftist say (which i agree with) is: there is a distribution of wealth at which a free market fails and we are long past that, especially given our failure to bust monopolies and enforce antitrust law.

that enables entities who lobby both sides of the policy spectrum to position us against each other. epstein played this well: how else do you get neoconservatives bubbling out of 4chan as an answer to thundercat tumblr kids? it's all divide-and-conquer (and over the most inane issues).

now, tell me: do you want to support eurasia or oceania? or do you want to put the puppeteers in jail?

It's of course one of the most messed up things to read, but it's a common thought process of people influenced by propaganda from those countries regimes, or are actively spreading propaganda: the framing of "so called western countries/first world countries/etc" is the first red flag.

And then of course the angle is that western countries are decadent and are denying traditional values. This is a common thread of the Russian regime propaganda for example... Because when the regine destroyed everything else, with no prospects of a good future, it's traditional misery that has to make up for the rest.

So to sum it up, OP is actually making a case for the false traditional values of the regimes from the most corrupt and broken societies - where sex trafficking and marrying underaged children is part of the status quo, because it's "traditional ".

Somehow this propaganda works with some people in the west lol

Amongst the countries attacked by Iran now are Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan, Oman, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia; indirectly, it’s dragging kicking and screaming into the conflict also Yemen (surely soon), Lebanon (already) and Iraq (already).