22 pointsby gurjeet5 hours ago14 comments
  • david-gpu5 hours ago
    Yeah, that sounds very familiar. A deadbeat dad that was overly controlling when he was present. A mom that was trying to juggle her career, housework and two kids. This meant lots of time spent alone. Can't learn now to depend on people when there is nobody around. Bullying at school does not help, either. Hyper independence is a predictable outcome.
    • antidamage5 hours ago
      It's very familiar. My father was abusive towards me and so I tried to disturb him as little as possible. He was extremely supportive of my younger brother, however, and we both turned out very differently. He turns to my parents constantly for help (and receives it) and the few times I have I've only been brushed off, and so I've always done everything myself, even if it meant spending long periods living in poverty with no footholds upward.

      Years later I'm nearly 50 and have transitioned to female. My now divorced mother decided she likes having a daughter and so suddenly all of this support has materialised and with presumably less time to live the life I missed out on I'm making a conscious choice to start being a little dependent on it and shortcut some things that would have taken longer otherwise.

      It's hard to describe but it feels like I'm living a more normal, less marginalised life now. I definitely have more friends, where previously I chose to avoid having any because I felt like having friends meant sharing burdens that were mine alone to carry.

      I also see a lot of very similar behaviour in the wider trans community where most people's axis of behaviour revolves around some facet of not having support. We don't all handle it in a healthy way, but I now do my best to help my community find stability and adjust their expectations to having better outcomes.

      • david-gpu4 hours ago
        You have carried a heavy burden. It is good to hear that you are finding a community around you at last.
    • mountainriver4 hours ago
      It’s a blessing in some ways, I’m much more capable at doing difficult things without much help. But it’s also debilitating in significant ways, I constantly feel like I need to do incredible things to get love
      • david-gpu4 hours ago
        You deserve love and kindness unconditionally. You are good enough just the way you are.

        What would you tell a friend who was in your circumstances?

  • ralferoo5 hours ago
    The butchered title makes close to zero sense. The original title "Psychology says people who don’t maintain many close friends often learned independence too early" does.
    • gurjeet5 hours ago
      It was to fit into HN's title limits. I tried my best to cut down and rephrase the title to fit the requirement, while keeping the original meaning as much as possible.
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  • tim-tday3 hours ago
    Weird. Half a dozen comments calling this LLM generated. Doesn’t strike me as that. Maybe English as a second language or someone trying to dumb down their language. Maybe I’m out of touch.

    The thing that bothers me is repeated references to “psychologists say” but no reference to peer reviewed science, just other articles on the same site.

  • vibe_that_works5 hours ago
    Whole-heartedly dislike the article. Again a form of being atypical neurologically is framed as a pathology. "You are insufficiently clingy to be a good human, and the reason is your childhood trauma".
  • rossant5 hours ago
    That LLM-style tone is exhausting.
    • luxuryballs5 hours ago
      the learned independence has gone too far
  • mzajc5 hours ago
    Does psychology say that, or does the floating point matrix that wrote this article?
    • mycall5 hours ago
      There are many reasons that might cause not having many close friends and independence is just one factor.
  • johnnyApplePRNG5 hours ago
    A common definition of independent is "not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence."

    No human should ever be "independent".

    We are social animals first and foremost. We depend on each other by definition.

  • pcthrowaway5 hours ago
    What about people who don't maintain many close friends and still haven't learned independence?
    • tim-tday4 hours ago
      I almost spit chocolate milk out my nose. Not sure why I find this so funny.
  • gitmagic5 hours ago
    Just sounds like an actual grownup to me.
  • Karuma5 hours ago
    Please, HN mods, no more ChatGPT articles...

    I'd ask any LLM myself if I cared to read their empty words.

    • gurjeet5 hours ago
      As I said in another thread here, I did not feel the article was LLM-generated, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

      Perhaps I've been desensitized, or the LLM have crossed my BS-sensing threshold, but haven't yet crossed others' threshold.

      • defrost4 hours ago
        FWiW there are (several) AI "vetting" bots out there, eg: https://tropes.fyi/vetter .. not my thing, I bookmarked that one from an earlier HN thread, that particular tool graded the article hard over and firmly in "AI Slop" (their term) territory.

        https://tropes.fyi/vetter/4a753e67

        • tim-tday4 hours ago
          Those don’t work. Test it by generating some ai slop (get a 100% fake score) and remove the top five tells. And it’ll get a 100% human score.

          Repeat with your own writing. Insert a few mdashes and a few of their favorite turns of phrase. To go from 100% human rating to 100% ai.

  • jibal5 hours ago
    "too" seems pointlessly judgmental. My early independence (a result of being the second child of parents without a lot of love to give) contributed to who I am, and I don't think I'm an inferior specimen.
    • tim-tday4 hours ago
      Psychology has a well understood metric for people who keep many shallow friendships vs those who keep a small number of deep friendships. Any article that fails to account for that doesn’t progress our thinking.
  • popalchemist5 hours ago
    I feel pain reading these haphazardly strung together words. Literally hate this article even if the insight is worthwhile.
    • gurjeet5 hours ago
      I did not feel the article was LLM-generated, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

      Perhaps I've been desensitized, or the LLM have crossed my BS-sensing threshold, but haven't yet crossed your threshold.

    • TacticalCoder5 hours ago
      > I feel pain reading these haphazardly strung together words.

      I never though I'd read verbal diarrhea worse than the ones of french intellectuals but I gotta say LLMs are close to surpassing even these.

  • etyhhgfff5 hours ago
    Just another AI slop article on HN. Hope is gets flagged fast. I mean the author could at least try to make it a bit less LLMish.
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