Foods destroying rainforests, in one simple chart(www.vox.com)
19 pointsby stared6 hours ago8 comments
  • unfitted25454 hours ago
    It's also worth keeping in mind whilst soy is the 3rd highest, 80% goes to livestock.
  • schiffern4 hours ago
    Chart is buggy for some. Original here, Vox just added the countries up. Notice beef is off-scale high.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-026-01305-4/figures/5

  • DauntingPear73 hours ago
    People when talking about plant based/better-for-the-planet alternatives often don’t discuss the fact that they’re usually more expensive per unit
    • conceptionan hour ago
      Perhaps for highly processed items. But peas and beans are cheaper than beef.
  • mikestew5 hours ago
    Did my ad blocker somehow block the “one simple chart”? Because I don’t see a chart in TFA.
    • SapporoChris4 hours ago
      I get a square with "This content isn't visible due to your cookie preferences. To load this content, click the Allow button below to opt in to "Social Media & Embedded Content" cookies. These cookies are set and controlled by the third party sources from which the embedded content originates." and the button of course.
    • 4 hours ago
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    • ticulatedspline4 hours ago
      Yep, I use just vanilla no-script. No chart. unblocked half a dozen domains or more and never found the chart. No idea where the content is actually loaded from.
    • Clamchop4 hours ago
      Running uBO here and I see a chart.
  • nielsbot5 hours ago
    It’s beef.

    > Beef caused at least 4 times more deforestation than any other food in the last two decades

    • colechristensen5 hours ago
      This is what we need tariffs for. And it could probably get broad support for both supporting domestic cattle production AND environmental concern.
      • icegreentea24 hours ago
        American beef imports are heavily driven by how US beef production and consumption is structured. Basically, the US focuses beef production on creating high quality cuts (ie, steaks and other cuts with high marbling/fat), because that's what a large portion of domestic consumption is (and it's highest value). This leaves the US with a very large amount of high fat off cuts that aren't very marketable on their own. Imports are typically ultra lean cuts (which are also not very usable), and these two sources are then combined into ground beef.

        Here's one source, but there are plenty of others you can find: https://tscra.org/we-have-94-million-cows-why-do-we-import-b...

        Basically, classic value chain optimization.

    • DANmode3 hours ago
      My beef doesn’t come from cattle in a rainforest - or even out of state.

      If yours does: do something about it.

      • foobarchu2 hours ago
        > do something about it.

        On a scale of ease of saying vs ease of doing, this one is off the charts. The beef lobby is very powerful, and for 99% of people literally all they can do is to reduce their own consumption and annoy their friends and family. These things do almost nothing to move the needle.

        • DANmode8 minutes ago
          Going to push back on this one until the cows literally come home:

          what economy are you in that you’re shipping in your meat in from overseas (e.g. former rainforest)?

  • vivzkestrel5 hours ago
    what happened to beyond meat, impossible foods and all those other companies that a few years ago were planning to replace beef with plant friendly alternatives? why dont we hear about them anymore?
    • mvid3 hours ago
      It is extremely difficult to justify fake beef that costs more than real beef. Maybe for a niche group who care about the ethics of it, but they aren’t enough to support a market. Once fake beef costs 80% or less than real beef, it could get some traction
      • foobarchu2 hours ago
        I have a feeling you'd start into see costs start to align if the subsidies that go towards beef producers were reallocated in the direction of more sustainable alternatives.
    • littlexsparkee2 hours ago
      since folks are lukewarm on no-meat options, they are working on blends which in aggregate would reduce meat consumption without the tough odds of converting meat-eaters
    • colechristensen5 hours ago
      After a surge in popularity sales have declined steeply based on consumer demand.

      Some people want hyper-realistic fake ground beef, etc. but not everyone, not all that many it turns out.

      People who want to be vegetarian are also people who don't want to eat ultraprocessed food.

      Authenticity is big with people. If I were to go vegetarian I'd want to eat... vegetables.

  • DANmode3 hours ago
    Everything on the chart except maybe beef and bananas can be done without (and probably should).
    • triceratops2 hours ago
      You want people to give up corn and rice before beef and bananas?

      Moreover beef appears on that chart twice: once as beef and again as soybeans, which are grown to feed livestock.

  • robthebrew5 hours ago
    not a single chart in sight on that site.