Come on. Israel might be the most high profile US partner. But they are far from the only one.
Though the majority will help bear the costs, and several family members will grieve dearly for the sacrifice of entertaining some brutal geopolitics that do not serve America first.
They are pretending these strikes are “preemptive” in response to a nuclear bomb being developed, just like the “emergency” that was declared to enact the tariffs.
It’s all illegal
Most of what people think they know about this country is a facade. They are living on lies, confirmed to them through the legitimization of a SCOTUS that lies to your very eyes about what the constitution says, so that people don't rebel when a politician tells them peace is war and love is hate.
IDK, "America first" is practically speaking, the financial interests of the current president and his ruling clique, nothing more. This does serve them by, among other things, distracting from the Epstein files and asserting lucrative control over petroleum-producing nations. These brave servicemen died for that.
Entertain paedophiles ... land up in jail. Be rude and patronizing to women, there goes your prime-ministership. Keep it that way please.
Accountability feels so rare in recent US politics.
Starmer is still in office, Sunak lost because the Tories were unpopular and because he didn’t win an election to get the Prime Ministership, Johnson lost because during Covid people stayed at the office a little bit longer and had a birthday party, teresa May lost because she couldn’t deliver Brexit, Cameron lost because he gave people a vote on Brexit, Brown lost for the same reasons as Sunak, Blair lost because of the Iraq war.
Liz Truss lost because she was barking mad, manifestly wildly out of her depth and her and her think tank buddies tanked the economy. She was rude and patronising to women (but only because she was rude and patronising to everyone).
1) https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/full-conversation-betwee...
They'll retcon it and fall in line behind Trump, just like with Venezuela. This is from both opinion polls and also interactions with actual MAGA people.
But the MAGA / "America First" crowd led by such folks as Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes absolutely have the incentive to move against Trump.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...
Iran strikes are ‘disgusting and evil’ says longtime Trump ally and MAGA stalwart Tucker Carlson.
That's one very underappreciated part of the conflict there. That the KGB and Israel fought one another, obviously long ago. As part of that fight, they both helped/financed/protected/... lunatic Palestinian movements. The KGB is long dead and Israel started regretting many of it's actions against Russia decades ago, but the lunatic movements each created are still massacring one another.
Oh and the UN is still supporting and financing the PA, even against Hamas. Hmmm, I wonder if anyone at the top of the UN ever had any affiliation with Soviet Foreign policy ... (say, for example, the best-paid politician in the entire world, obviously a communist)
This is what I get when I pose the question
"Yes, Israeli officials have acknowledged providing covert financial support to Sheikh Ahmed Yassin’s Islamist networks in Gaza during the late 1970s and 1980s. This was done to bolster religious groups as a counterweight to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which was viewed as the primary adversary at the time"
KGB and CIA had their noses in the affairs of every country, more so in the mid east, so cannot be ruled out.
Historical interest aside, that was not the point I made on this thread.
The point was justifying war on Iran upon the reason that they funded Hamas. So did Israel, they pretty much helped birth it. KGB may or may not be funding PLA, but that doesn't change who set up Hamas in the first place.
If reminding Arafat's Egyptian origin is to caste a shade, many in the Israeli government have European (often Polish) origin and surnames that they changed to fit their political career. Netanyahu included. So that cuts bothway.
If we are going to engage in brute force regime change on the other side of the world, regardless of how bad the current regime is (yes, they are evil), this is not how it should happen. And everyone should take a moment to remind themselves why the term "regime change" carries the connotations it does.
What do Hamas or Iran protestors have to do with America? I agree that it's bad but you have to admit that it goes against literally all the "peace" talk that MAGAs were pushing.
Do you think that everyone that proposal a republican government would identify as ‘MAGA’? I think you need to read more news sources.
> and Iran constantly threatens to hit America (and about everyone else) with nuclear weapons
Okay, but he campaigned as the peace ticket so presumably he'd be able to figure that out without resorting to military action, no? Obama managed to work out a deal with them (that Trump then tore to pieces in 2018)
Trumps an unhealthy older man, with no prospect for re-election, and a big golden parachute even in the worst case scenario. The fact the war is all on him is seen as a plus because he gets all the credit for the history books and the mothers of the dead servicemen are just forgotten trash used to achieve his objective.
Trump is acting completely rationally. His MO is to push the envelope until he is stopped. It is mostly others who are irrationally acting in the service of Trump that are acting irrationally.
No, because all the points for/against the attacks have already been argued to death in the first thread, and both sides' argument don't hinge on whether there are deaths or not, so this bit of news doesn't really make a difference.
Honestly I don't mind not talking about those things here but it gets ridiculous when there's directly tech related stuff being flagged because it touches on politics, like the whole DOGE saga for example.
Looks like the flagging brigade got this story flagged as well. Of course, HN mods will do nothing about it as usual.
Who the fuck builds a military base 200 feet from a school?
During the Cold War, the US government even had maps of potential Soviet ICBM targets and there's a nice dot here where hundreds of thousands live. The US knew the risk but put bases and nukes smack in the middle of that anyway.
It's up to the people with bombs not to bomb schools.
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That’s not heroism. It’s waste. Their lives were wasted by the MAGA cult, just like the tens of thousands of Iranian civilians and children who are dying to our bombs.
After a minute, I reconsidered, especially after I saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46930988 (an excellent post) and realized that your account has been around for over 10 years. I've unbanned it now.
Please don't post like this to HN again. The same, of course, goes for any other account, regardless of political angle.
Also, please don't use HN primarily for political/ideological battle—again, regardless of which politics you're for or against. A certain amount of political overlap is necessary and inevitable, but when an account crosses into primarily doing that, it's basically the line at which we ban it (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations).
