22 pointsby lordleft7 hours ago10 comments
  • parl_match6 hours ago
    These people have made consuming an experience a large part of their identity. That's it. They consume the parks. They consume the food. They consume the experiences. They even consume cheap clothes on amazon that match the general colors of their favorite cartoon characters (it's called disneybounding, look it up).
    • parliament325 hours ago
      You're not wrong, but isn't "consumption" the entire point of every vacation ever? Do you do anything other than consume when you, say, go for a cruise? Road trip across the country? Go be a tourist in a city abroad? What could you possibly get out of a vacation other than "consuming"?
      • stevekemp4 hours ago
        > What could you possibly get out of a vacation other than "consuming"?

        I sleep in a cabin next to a lake, or on a hammock in the woods. I drink beer, fish, and go to sauna every day.

        There's no "consumption" above and beyond the food/drinks.

        • lux-lux-lux3 hours ago
          You drive the truck, you rent the cabin, you drink the overpriced beer, you buy the fishing gear, you pay for the fitness club membership.

          Lifestyle tat for the outdoorsy set is an absolutely massive market that dwarfs the entire Disney empire.

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          • parl_match3 hours ago
            Consumer-brain people can't help but project their own desire to consume consume consume.

            You state that there's a truck. Those are expensive. Is that a requirement? Can I just use my car or take the train?

            You imply the beer is overpriced. Is expensive beer a requirement? Is a box of the cheapest beer they sell at the market not acceptable?

            You imply that I have to buy the gear to go. Is buying new gear a requirement? Yes, I have bought gear at one time, but I have had it for a long time.

            You imply that the sauna requires a "fitness club membership". Is a fitness club membership a requirement? Can I not use the one in the cabin? Or what about the one I built in my home?

            Trucks, expensive beer, buying new gear, even paying a subscription for a "fitness club" are all YOUR consumer mindset, probably American. Yes, consumption is happening, but your own projection of what is wanted vs what is required says a lot about your wants more than what you're trying to say about the person you're replying to.

            > Lifestyle tat for the outdoorsy set is an absolutely massive market that dwarfs the entire Disney empire.

            I'm sure it is.

            Just because other people wish to consume the luxury gorp core outdoorsy market doesn't mean that I am obligated to. I just want to be outside, exploring the terrain and feeling the air and relaxing.

            Yes, you can be reductionist about the word "consume", but what I am describing is a far cry from a highly curated, disneyland experience, where you buy fried food and take a picture with a man in a mascot costume.

      • brailsafe4 hours ago
        Depends how far you want to go with reducing things down to consumption. Does going somewhere to hike, climb, or camp count as just consumption? I can't stand going somewhere to only look at things or eat things, it gets very boring very quickly, but I like meeting people and going on adventures, exploring nature in as physical way as possible regardless of viewpoint availability.
        • parl_match3 hours ago
          You can be reductionist about the word consume, but I think there's a far difference between exploring and engaging in the world around you. Engaging people, meeting them on mutual terms (and not just on your terms, as a "customer"), and engaging the world.

          Versus multiple yearly curated luxury theme park vacations where you eat prepared fried food and go on prepared boat rides and take photos with people in mascot outfits and you're paying everyone to be nice and predictable to you.

      • snickerbockers3 hours ago
        I think a better question is how much people consume in general. There are plenty of people who replace their car every 2-3 years but that doesn't get nearly as much scorn and mockery.
      • parl_match5 hours ago
        > What could you possibly get out of a vacation other than "consuming"?

        Oof.

        • fuzzfactor3 hours ago
          Instant corrective upvote.

          Yes, consuming is an experience, and experience is one of the ideal things to do on vacation in particular.

          Surely it's still legal to have just as many new and rewarding experiences, in a new or familiar environment for the same duration of time, and none of them are actual consumer activities.

          It can be as fantastic as possible without doing any more significant or out-of-the ordinary consumption than otherwise.

          If you can't get the most out of both plain experiences and dedicated consumption, any travel might not be as worthwhile as it could be.

          • parl_match3 hours ago
            Engaging with the world, with people, with experiences, and places is good! Yes, there is a consumptive element to it, but you can be reductionist about that all the way down.

            It's a far cry from taking a vacation where, for the entire time, you are The Customer. Where you are paying for predictable catered experiences and food, where everyone is trying to serve you in some way.

    • simon6666 hours ago
      While I agree somewhat with the descriptive aspect of your comment I think you assume a view of humans that is too atomic or individualistic as agenents. No doubt "these people" have "made" consuming a large part of their identity, but this is only half the story.

      The reality in which many in the US and maybe the West generally (perhaps elsewhere too) is one in which one's life as an agent is constrained within the bounds of being a consumer. What I mean is people are habituated into expressing their agency as a consumer: Someone or thing offers you something, you "decide" to accept it or reject it. If you don't like what's being offered, you leverage your ability to consume as the means by which you exert power over the producer, i.e., "Make me an offer I like or I'll consumer elsewhere (if I can)".

      So, of course people's identities are consumption centered. This is because is what reality is for peoples' everyday life, consumption choices. So people express who they are through the available consumption choices. Think about how people are marketed to, at least in the US. People are slammed with "Your choice" and "have it your way" and "be you" in advertising as if consuming a product is an expression of their respective identities.

      Anyway, this is all just to say: The structure of society and the discourse that supports it plays a big role in constraining and guiding how people think and what choices people can even imagine are open to them when making decisions. So not all the responsibility or blame should be focused on individuals, but on large social structures, practices, and discourses.

      • parl_match3 hours ago
        > So, of course people's identities are consumption centered

        > The structure of society and the discourse that supports it plays a big role in constraining and guiding how people think and what choices people can even imagine are open to them when making decisions. So not all the responsibility or blame should be focused on individuals, but on large social structures, practices, and discourses.

        Skill issue.

    • glasss6 hours ago
      I guess that is their hobby, consuming the products or experiences and sharing that with others.
    • tylerflick6 hours ago
      They also ruin the experience of trying to take your child to one of these parks.
      • mekdoonggi4 hours ago
        I can think of a million things I'd rather do with my kids. I don't understand why people continue to go to these parks. The experience is bad with or without the Disney adults.
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    • coldtea6 hours ago
      and even calling the things they consume "experiences" is overselling them
    • alephnerd6 hours ago
      There's nothing wrong with targeting a different ICP from who you were previously.

      As a business you in fact have an incentive to target these kinds of identity-driven consumers as they are much more likely to spend more on average than others.

      And Disney is shifting their entire GTM as a result, but frankly there is nothing wrong with that - consumer tastes change.

      That said, it sounds like you are dismissive of Disney-fanatics when in reality everyone is hypertargeted by their specific subculture. Doesn't matter if your a Tater, a ranked MMO gamer, Boardgame addicts, fantasy football aficionado, CrossFit enthusiast, mechanical keyboard collector, etc.

      • parl_match6 hours ago
        I don't really care about Disney's business. The Disney adults, as people, are bleak. Take their money, who cares.

        > That said, it sounds like you are dismissive of Disney-fanatics when in reality everyone is hypertargeted by their specific subculture. Doesn't matter if your a Tater, a ranked MMO gamer, Boardgame addict, fantasy football aficionado, CrossFit enthusiast, etc.

        does everyone has to have a "specific subculture" that they consume? i feel like that way of looking at things is bleak. im a heavy fitness enthusiast and i hardly spend any money besides a basic gym membership and the cost of trail/camp permits

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        • alephnerd6 hours ago
          > does everyone has to have a "specific subculture" that they consume?

          Everyone already does. It's called hobbies. Some people make their hobbies their entire identity, others less so.

          • coldtea6 hours ago
            Most people don't base their personality on their hobbies
            • CharlesW6 hours ago
              And most adults who like Disney aren't "Disney adults". There are extremists in every hobby and fandom.
          • parl_match6 hours ago
            a "specific subculture" really elevates "hobbies" beyond what they are, maybe

            hobbies don't have to be about consumption. In your post, it seemed like they did.

            • alephnerd6 hours ago
              The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough, and invariably some people will spend more of their discretionary income on said hobby over others.

              And businesses are businesses - be their your local small business bicycle shop or a mega-conglomerate like Disney - and as such will always optimize for those people who are open to spending a larger proportion on said hobby than the median consumer.

              I'm sure if we all took a look at everyone else's hobbies and spending, we would find stuff which we would view as ridiculous consumption but the other person would view as valuable.

              For example, I've been pretty competitive in powerlifting for several years (especially as I used to crosstrain in HS for wrestling and track&field) and unsurprisingly spending significantly more than other people getting personal training from coaches, buying IWF-certified barbells, Nike Romaleos, Titan bumper plates, etc. Someone who isn't into powerlifting would look at me as being weird (why not just go to a gym 2 times a week and call it a day?!?) but I derive utility from it.

              As long as someone is able to afford their hobby without impacting their professional and personal lives, there is nothing wrong with it.

              • glasss6 hours ago
                The reality actually is you do not need to spend a lot of money to participate in any hobby. Some hobbies are expensive, and may have gotten more expensive in recent years, but at least in my experience and social circles it's very easy to participate in hobbies without spending a lot of money.
              • coldtea6 hours ago
                >The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough,

                No shortage of very cheap or free hobbies. Walking is free. Cooking is what you'd spend anyway for food (or cheaper if it helps you skip delivery), watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable), coding is cheap, playing 8-bit games is cheap, a book club is cheap, sewing is cheap, drawing is cheap, writing is cheap...

                • alephnerd6 hours ago
                  In almost all cases you are still purchasing, consuming, and being targeted in some shape or form.

                  Literally every hobby has an incentive to target those practitioners who heavily spend and spend time with other similar minded practitioners.

                  > Cooking

                  And you see the rise of influencer and performance driven marketing by firms like Henckels and Le Crueset (nothing wrong with that) along with those who truly love cooking specific types of cuisine overindexing on unique or subsets of ingredients (Geographic Indicator or bust)

                  > watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable)

                  And you see plenty of movie enthusiasts optimizing for 4K displays, high fidelity sound, or falling deep into IP-driven subcultures like Disney-fanatics

                  > coding is cheap

                  And you see whales who spend inordinate amounts on money on mechanical keyboards, 4K monitors, personal rigs, etc

                  > playing 8-bit games is cheap

                  Retro gamers.

                  > book club is cheap

                  Book subscriptions and local bookstore-led book clubs

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                  Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target.

              • parl_match6 hours ago
                > The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough

                No, you don't. Maybe you think you do, because of consumer mindset. But you don't.

                • alephnerd6 hours ago
                  Everyone has some kind of consumer mindset and is spending more on a specific good or service than others may think is reasonable.

                  If you want you can show all of us on HN your bills and we will all probably find stuff which you spend on which we may think is unreasonable to us but is reasonable to you.

                  So long as you are making sure to save around 60% of your monthly income post-401k/IRA and rent/mortgage what you do with the other 40% is literally discretionary, and isn't hurting you.

                  Everybody thinks they are not a sucker, but everyone is.

                  • parl_match6 hours ago
                    Of course I spend money, I'm not living a joyless austere lifestyle. But you're deflecting and changing the subject. So, let's return back to your original comment

                    > The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough

                    All I said is that you don't need to spend tons of money on a hobby. Maybe you think you do, because of consumer mindset, but you don't.

                    Is that wrong? Do you still think that hobbies require spending lots of money and consuming? Or do you acknowledge that a hobby can be fulfilling and enjoyable without much money and consumption?

              • mna_6 hours ago
                I have 2 hobbies: maths and chess. For maths: I borrow books from the library or pirate them from anna's archive and do problems from the books on printer paper. Very cheap hobby overall. For chess: I bought cheap plastic pieces and a board from amazon (cost me £25/$30), I pirate chess books from anna's archive and I play on lichess (it's free).

                Also without sounding like an elitist: not all hobbies are equal. I have so much more respect for someone who sits in their room and studies something difficult like analytic number theory, or someone like you who powerlifts over some "Disneyadult" whose life revolves around buying Made-in-China Disney branded products (i.e. their hobby is just clicking "buy" on some site).

  • puskavi3 hours ago
    Unnatural behaviour
  • ChrisArchitect4 hours ago
    2025:

    42 Percent of People Who Waited in Line To Meet Characters at Disney Parks Last Year Were Childless Adults

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3550984/never-grow-up-42...

    2026:

    Disney names parks boss Josh D'Amaro as its next CEO to succeed Bob Iger

    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/03/disney-ceo-josh-damaro-succe...

  • Bender5 hours ago
    Wait until these people learn about Disney's Secret Club 33. Membership is $100,000 not counting annual dues and the current waiting list is about 14 years. That's the only way into the unpublished tunnel that leads to the special underground rooms. Not even park security have access. The normies that know about it think it's just about drinking alcohol in the ground floor room.
    • profdevloper3 hours ago
      Rare instance where the use of the "normie" pejorative isn't an insult
  • casey24 hours ago
    There is this pervasive cynical belief that anything adults like kids will dislike and vice versa it's important to remember that for the vast majority of history that hasn't been true. In the recent past people had to work very hard to create these define these social groups and sell products to/for them.

    These social classes will collapse quicker than you think, you're seeing the final death throes with age-verification laws

  • mothballed6 hours ago
    You've got to be child-free to afford Disney nowadays. It makes sense for them to shift.
    • glasss6 hours ago
      I agree, I think it does simply make sense to cater to the customers with the money. If I were starting a business selling products or services to consumers directly, I wouldn't target a customer base that could only afford to buy it once or twice. It wouldn't matter why they have more money, being child free or being a software engineer from San Francisco, I would just figure out their demographic and target them.
      • eigencoder4 hours ago
        I think it's short-sighted. Most of those Disney adults started out as Disney kids.
  • mrguyorama5 hours ago
    Disney is also sort of stuck in a bad place. More human beings want to visit these parks than is physically, or at least safely, possible. They've implemented this entire virtual queuing system that absolutely sucks to use and experience and plan around but what the hell else are they supposed to do? Auction off rides? Use a lottery system?

    It's not like you can just scale up the magic kingdom.

    Disney theme parks are a scarce resource.

    I loathe Disney but there's no such thing as the Disney park of 2000, today.

    This is happening to a lot of tourism because there's just way more tourism today than 50 years ago. There are way more wealthy people who can just throw money at the problem of "I want to do <thing>". They will always be able to outcompete the normal family of yesteryear who got to experience magic on a budget.

    Of course Disney doesn't want you to think about how they really wanted this to happen and worked towards this goal as they have sought more international revenue so it's partially their fault.

    • danorama5 hours ago
      You can't scale up the Magic Kingdom, no. But Disney had a pattern going for a while where they opened a new Florida park every 10 years or so: 1971, 1982, 1989, 1998. That probably helped a lot. They've done some small expansions in the existing parks since then, but they're about 20 years behind in adding a new park. I think that's a huge part of the crowding issue now.

      (Now Anaheim, there they're kind of hosed. No space to expand.)

      • muro3 hours ago
        In both Paris and Anaheim they could double the park space by moving parking underground :)
  • burnt-resistor6 hours ago
    Sorry, but I can't get out of my mind one of the Monty Python PC games depicting a crowd of faceless people all wearing Mickey Mouse ears. While I can't relate to voluntarily paying money to go consume a corporate theme park media experience, but it floats their steamboat then more power to them.
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