229 pointsby Qem3 hours ago17 comments
  • epolanski2 hours ago
    There's plenty of live footage of IDF forces targeting international aid workers and journalists.

    "fun" fact: more journalists died in the Gaza than in every conflict since ww2 combined.

    • urikadurian hour ago
      Your made up statistic only counts recognized journalists directly employed by American news agencies. By this metric, Zero journalists were killed in Gaza.
    • throwawaysleep2 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • conartist6an hour ago
        From where I sit nobody is questioning that the Israelis are supposed to be the good guys in this story. But the stories coming from the region are horrific! Is it true that it is the official policy of the IDF to shoot to kill children who throw stones at them?

        Plus because Israel is making serious efforts to choke off all information from the region, I understand that it takes some time before a sober accounting of an incident like this reaches the outside world. To avoid the charged rhetoric I have waited. Yet the point blank executions of humanitarian workers is still shocking to me. Such reckless hate, it must destroy a person.

      • 2 hours ago
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    • idop2 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • aa-jv2 hours ago
        The slaughter of journalists is documented throughout modern history - by the very people those journalists worked for.
        • idop2 hours ago
          [flagged]
      • throwawaysleep2 hours ago
        [flagged]
  • glenstein2 hours ago
    With a specificity of the number of shots and the spatial reconstruction of the scene, there's some impressive uses of tech to bolster reporting:

    >A digital reconstruction of the scene shows that the soldiers would have had an uninterrupted view of the arrival of the convoy.

    >The reconstruction was jointly achieved with the two survivors of the incident, with an immersive spatial model they could walk through and amend. Together with spatial and audio analysis we established the position of the soldiers on an elevated ground with an unobstructed line of sight to the emergency vehicles.

    • jquery2 hours ago
      Real shame this got flagged so quickly, too. This is prime HN material.
      • dudefeliciano30 minutes ago
        this is prime material for HN to flag...
  • Qem3 hours ago
    • apexalpha14 minutes ago
      This is very thorough. Thanks for the direct link.

      The case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers tried to hide all evidence.

  • dudefeliciano27 minutes ago
    I reached this post via https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals?tab=rea...

    I reccomend any hackernews users to check that site frequently, plenty of interesting posts on hackernews that get flagged and hidden daily.

  • mapt2 hours ago
    Why was this flagged? Automatically / without review? This is a novel tech story, albeit one without a lot of technical detail.

    https://www.earshot.ngo/what-we-do/audio-ballistics

    https://forensic-architecture.org/

    https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

    > Earshot used echolocation to analyze the audio on the recordings in order to arrive at precise estimates of the shooters’ locations. Echolocation is the process of locating the source of a sound based on an analysis of the sound’s echoes and the environment in which the sound travels. The Israeli military destroyed and cleared so many buildings in the Tel Al-Sultan area where the ambush of the aid workers took place that very few structures remained. This destruction actually strengthened Earshot’s ability to determine the positions and movements of Israeli soldiers, based on identifying the surfaces responsible for clearly distinguishable gunshot echoes. Rather than having multiple buildings reflecting the sound waves, there were only a few standing walls and the emergency vehicles themselves.

    > “Earshot forensically analyzed over 900 gunshots fired at aid workers. It took one whole year of careful listening to reconstruct an auditory picture of what happened that dark night,” Lawrence Abu Hamdan, the director of Earshot, told Drop Site.

    I'm not sure how much this was actually necessary to the eventual verdict if this is ever adjudicated, though, if "hiding the evidence" is a factor:

    > Following the ambush, Israeli forces crushed all eight vehicles using heavy machinery and attempted to bury them under the sand.

    > The body of Anwar al-Attar was found near the ambush site on March 27, and the bodies of the other 14 aid workers, all wearing identifying uniforms or volunteer vests of their respective organizations, were found in a mass grave near the site on March 30.

    But the understanding that they were advanced upon in a walking wave of fire, and then the survivors were executed one by one at close range, may help.

    • lma21an hour ago
      Any posts linked to the IDF committing crimes are automatically flagged on this site (and others). Many bots are at play here.
  • tt_dev3 hours ago
    > The Israeli soldiers remained on the sandbank while firing continuously at the aid workers for four minutes.

    Damn…

  • forvelin2 hours ago
    why is this flagged ?
    • jLaForest10 minutes ago
      @dang any explanation for this being flagged?

      Am I still allowed to ask why the moderators don't want people to read and discuss this particular technology story?

    • blitzar2 hours ago
      the truth is anti-semitic
      • ivan_gammel2 hours ago
        No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context.

        It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religious extremists and far right nationalists. When there will be common understanding of this simple truth, fighting the root causes will be much easier.

        • ycombinatrix2 hours ago
          I think GP was making a joke - since zionists claim any anti-zionist behavior is anti-semitic.
          • ivan_gammel2 hours ago
            Then I apologize without retraction.
          • jquery2 hours ago
            Yep. It's used as a shield for the worst humanity has to offer.
        • blitzar2 hours ago
          > why is this flagged ?

          Because flaggers deem it to be anti-semitic

          > committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists

          This is 1) extending responsibility for actions of induviduals to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion 2) a display of anti-semitic bigotry

          Otherwise it, like most tech heavy investigations, showcase how much useful information there is fly around out there in the air just waiting to be hoovered up - and (althought not the case here) YC funded companies happen to be at the frontlines of such work

        • glenstein2 hours ago
          Their message didn't make any of the extrapolations that you're suggesting and I don't think that the post itself does that either.
          • ivan_gammel2 hours ago
            The message is ambiguous. It can be interpreted the way I read it.
        • lostmsu2 hours ago
          I believe religion is a reasonable extension. Some of them explicitly call for murdering unbelievers.
          • ivan_gammel2 hours ago
            it‘s „some“, not „all“. Religious extremism by definition.
            • lostmsuan hour ago
              I was talking about religions, not individuals.
        • mothballed2 hours ago
          But it's not all zionists committing war crimes in Gaza, it's the IDF. And it's not all IDF members, only some individuals. And its not all of those some individuals, only some of their brain and trigger finger. And it's not all the time, only some of the time.

          We mustn't generalize.

          • ivan_gammel2 hours ago
            You are surprisingly right. I know people who served in IDF and would prefer to have nothing in common with those criminals. Generalizing to them would be wrong. It is not voluntary service, different people are required to serve. But people aside, is IDF as institution rotten? It is not generalization to say „yes“, when such things happen. An institution is an entity with the agency to prevent such things and not only did it fail, it covered up. Is Israeli government complicit? Hell, yes, same reason.
            • 1718627440an hour ago
              There were people in the German army (Wehrmacht) who wanted to have nothing in common with those criminals. Some even tried to kill Hitler and get rid of the regime.
              • orwin40 minutes ago
                Not the majority though, else the wehrmacht would have done less war crimes.
                • 171862744032 minutes ago
                  I think this depends on whether you draw the boundary at "refuses to do X even when killed for it" or "wouldn't have done X on their own".
          • throwaw1221 minutes ago
            IDF is an army of Israel, not some unknown militant group.

            Israel is a state, as they call "democratic", which elected officials who have control to stop these crimes, but not stopping deliberately.

    • appreciatorBus2 hours ago
      > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

      • ycombinatrix2 hours ago
        This is most certainly not something that is covered on TV news. Seems on topic to me.
        • glenstein2 hours ago
          I think it also touches on issues of interest to the hn crowd (it's being reported on a YC-incubated platform!), and one especially unique things about the reporting is the spatial reconstruction of the scene, which is not a degree of detail you typically get, and limits the number of variations of interpretations possible.

          I also think issues of censorship are very high on the list of topics of interest on HN and few topics are subject to more extensive censorship than reporting on events in Israel and Palestine.

          • appreciatorBusan hour ago
            Israel and Palestine is one of the most obsessively covered topics in every form of western media. All the more the reason it doesn’t belong on HN. I’ll grant that there’s a tech angle to this specific story, but past experience with such articles on HN is that they reliably devolve into endless repetition of fixed talking points on each side. No useful information or opinion is conveyed, just endless insinuation and infective.

            Furthermore, there are handful of accounts who sole purpose seems to be to pump the HN feed full of Israel and Palestine. People who want so badly to talk about a single political topic should probably go to Bluesky.

    • ycombinatrix2 hours ago
      zionists
      • mhb2 hours ago
        [flagged]
        • ycombinatrix2 hours ago
          I don't know, I'm not part of the group committing a genocide & illegally occupying Palestine. I would give it a lot of thought if I was.
          • simonjanssenan hour ago
            I think the solution which will lead to the best quality of life for people in and around the levant is a single, secular state. Two states that are both ethnonationalist is unsustainable, and any single state which isn't secular can only be achieved through genocide. Freedom to practice whatever religion, seperation of church and state, and no apartheid for a certain group of people.
          • mhban hour ago
            FFS, Learn what genocide means and some history before 1948.
  • tokai3 hours ago
    Inb4 mass flagged
    • moogly3 hours ago
      Indeed. Vouched but it won't last for long.

      As shablulman's inexplicably dead post says, this is very impressive work analyzing this unquestionable war crime.

      • bondarchuk2 hours ago
        Shablulman is shadowbanned.
        • whatisthiseven2 hours ago
          Cause their post sounds like some AI wrote it, and I guess everyone else noticed, too.
      • SSLy2 hours ago
        shablu shouldn't sounds like a LLM (no, i didn't flag or downvote it)
    • Xmd5a2 hours ago
      [flagged]
  • throwaw122 hours ago
    Things are in terrible state in the world.

    Gaza exposed it even more:

    * No one accepts high western "morality" anymore

    * Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein who worked for Israel, with high probability, including Trump

    * ICE is just the beginning, they're trained by IDF, send more people and 1940 is not too far away from us

    • glenstein2 hours ago
      >Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein

      ??? Most? His network was certainly extensive but "most politicians" seems like a significantly overextended extrapolation.

    • kvgr2 hours ago
      Not Israel, but Russia - good old KGB honeytrap.
    • 79522 hours ago
      > * No one accepts high western "morality" anymore

      Is that an accurate trend on an individual basis?

      • throwaw122 hours ago
        Travel to Middle East, some parts of Africa and China, ask what people think. Most say have similar opinion that west is not "morally" superior.
  • throwaw122 hours ago
    feels like IDF botnet is going to be activated soon to downvote everyone
  • shablulman3 hours ago
    [dead]
  • churchill2 hours ago
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  • churchill2 hours ago
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  • bananamansion2 hours ago
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  • NurembergDfens3 hours ago
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  • metalman2 hours ago
    Justice for Hind Rahab!
  • kharak2 hours ago
    I do not see any reason for this article to be on >>hacker news<<
    • mapt2 hours ago
      Echolocation based on audio from a cell phone video, with the reports echoing off flat walls in the area, establishes 3D troop movement during the massacre, and the eventual close-range executions. Including of the person whose cell phone it was.

      Eyewitness accounts may be dismissed for any number of biases by the motivated reasoner, but echoes are echoes.

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    • jquery2 hours ago
      Hacker News is not solely news about hacking. "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."
    • aa-jvan hour ago
      There are plenty of people on HN who are active in protecting human rights, and this particular incident is a clear example of the amount of work still left to do in the world by those of us who care about each other more than we cling to national identities - especially those national identities with a long track record of human rights violations.