51 pointsby saubeidl2 hours ago14 comments
  • Smalltalker-802 minutes ago
    Yep, there's a lot of (continuing) economical damage and still a lot of new immigrants every week. I think some time still needs to pass before Brexit politicians dare to change their stance, now confronted with the results of their choice. In the mean time, Brexit rules are quietly being undone without losing face too much. See the EU-UK trade deals from May 2025.
  • Havoc3 minutes ago
    It was pretty stacked by age even during the vote to leave.

    Unfortunately the UK has a voting cohort that is both large and willing to screw over subsequent generations.

  • preommr13 minutes ago
    Regardless of the value of Brexit, people tend to be biased against things that have happened or are around them when things are bad.

    Like when people are against a president if the economy isn't doing well, regardless of if the alternative candidate would've been better.

    This also isn't an issue thats being campaigned on. If there was another vote to join the EU, and people got flooded with anti-eu messaging specifically targeted at the demographic, I'd bet that number would drop.

    • spiderfarmera minute ago
      The EU always has been a scapegoat for incompetent politicians. Now the EU is out of the picture, there’s no-one left to blame. And we can clearly see that the EU, for all its faults, is a very beneficial institution for all involved.
  • tonyedgecombean hour ago
    No surprise, you had to be over the age of 39 before you were more likely to vote for Brexit.

    By the time we got around to implementing it enough old people had died off that the vote would have gone the other way already.

    • jjgreen41 minutes ago
      The Brexit-induced impoverishment of UK will inevitably lead to a reduction in the scope of the NHS and so kill off its supporters. So Brexit is kind-of self healing.
      • citrin_ru27 minutes ago
        Generation of boomers accumulated lots of wealth, mostly thanks to house prices skyrocketing during their lifetime. Not all but many old people can afford private healthcare. Younger people need NHS more.
      • saubeidl35 minutes ago
        It's only self-healing if they actually manage to rejoin...
  • HPsquared20 minutes ago
    The UK is such a trap for professionals. It's one of the worst places in the developed world for living standards of white-collar professionals, except a tiny slice of finance workers in London. Especially bad for engineers, and has been for a long time.
  • mcc1anean hour ago
    The cohort least likely to vote.
    • nicoburns29 minutes ago
      Yes, although there was notably a much higher turnout from this cohort in the elections when Jeremy Corbyn was labour party leader (although still lower turnout than other age demographics). I'd expect a similar effect for Zack Polanski in the next election.
    • Schmerikaan hour ago
      And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do.

      The 18 year olds who vote less but vote for good parties are doing good, overall. The 60 year olds voting Tory their whole lives - not so much.

      It's very easy to blame the young for all the problems earlier generations created and exacerbated. Not too wise though.

      • JumpCrisscross6 minutes ago
        > And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do

        Eh, this is far from a given. Mao's Red Guards were passionate and idiots. America's young men are currently in thrall of Clavicular and his ilk.

        The most powerful empires in history have had large rebublics at their cores for good reason. The wisdom of a crowd greatly increases with its diversity.

  • citrin_ru30 minutes ago
    65+ is the only age group in which >50% still believe Brexit was a good choice.
    • sgt15 minutes ago
      I'm way below that age group but I feel Brexit was a good choice long term. It gives more autonomy and the EU was a spanner in the works. Unfortunately (1) the politicians had to "lie" about getting the voters onboard (2) the politicians had a sour culture to start with, it's not going to fix itself with or without the EU, but without the EU you have a better chance.

      Short/medium term though - and I think the voters should have understood this, you'll struggle a bit. But after about 15-20 years the UK will be fine. You just have to suffer a bit now. Look at the big picture.

      • consp6 minutes ago
        > It gives more autonomy and the EU was a spanner in the works

        And yet the biggest trading partner now dictates the standards, now without any UK input.

      • saubeidl13 minutes ago
        Help me understand your thinking. I was very against Brexit (and still am). What is there to be gained, in your opinion?

        In my view, you traded being one of the leading voices in what is increasingly shaping up to be one of the world's superpowers for being a somewhat isolated middle power, nostalgic for its former glory.

        Why would that be worth it?

  • cedws32 minutes ago
    I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime.

    The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

    • darreninthenet13 minutes ago
      You have a way out... you are allowed to live and work in Ireland. Stay there for a few years (I forget how many) and apply for an Irish ( = EU) passport
    • teamonkey16 minutes ago
      Worth mentioning that 16-year-olds will be able to vote in the next general election. Hopefully they will use that vote.
    • casenmgreen26 minutes ago
      I tried to vote, by post, as I lived in the EU.

      The ballot paper arrived the day before the vote.

      It was impossible to return it in time, and indeed, when I checked, my vote had arrived too late and was not counted.

      • cedws22 minutes ago
        This kind of thing makes me so cynical about democracy.
    • peyton7 minutes ago
      Freedom of movement applies to the territory of a country [1]. Sorry you learned the hard way. Historically you get rights when you pick up a service weapon. Everything else is privilege granted by others.

      [1]: Gilbert, Nomadic Peoples and Human Rights (2014), p. 73: "Freedom of movement within a country encompasses both the right to travel freely within the territory of the State and the right to relocate oneself and to choose one's place of residence".

  • NedF20 minutes ago
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    • DuperPoweran hour ago
      im laughing out loud about your definition of politics as an abstract thing that is related to feelings instead of being literally something related to a concrete things that has to do with people working and surviving. The reason you are describing is political, its just materialistic political not idealistic political
      • deaux37 minutes ago
        It's a direct-from-LLM comment, which is interesting coming from a 12-year old account. Could be bought/sold.
    • deaux37 minutes ago
      Obvious LLM comment, so are the other recent ones.
      • RealityVoid27 minutes ago
        Hmm, is it? Why do you think? I'm not saying it ain't so, but I wonder what signs I'm missing. I couldn't smell this one. Probably because, fundamentally, I find myself agreeing with it. I'm sure this contributes to me be being somewhat tone deaf.
        • mjmas15 minutes ago
          Looking up about Erasmus+ it didn't start until a year after Brexit finally took place, so it can't be really called a loss.
        • mikkupikku20 minutes ago
          He probably got triggered by those dashes. The comment lacks other obvious LLM clues, like its not just this but also that.
        • purerandomness14 minutes ago
          > "not just X; it's Y"

          ...is a typical tell-tale cadence in the current breed of LLMs.

          The tell-tale signs change over time, but this one is very obvious.

        • jjgreen26 minutes ago
          American em-dashes to start ...
          • svantana20 minutes ago
            That is hardly a smoking gun—I typed one just now.
  • denuoweb2 hours ago
    source: a UK public service broadcaster poll........
    • tonyedgecombean hour ago
      ITV is a commercial broadcaster.
      • denuoweb18 minutes ago
        ITV is a "public service broadcaster" but what do you really know.
        • saubeidl5 minutes ago
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_plc

          > ITV plc is a British media company that holds 13 of the 15 regional television licences that make up the ITV network (Channel 3), the oldest and largest commercial terrestrial television network in the United Kingdom

    • an hour ago
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    • saubeidl2 hours ago
      Which is probably the gold standard for polling the UK Public. Not sure what you're trying to say?
      • hermanzegerman37 minutes ago
        That he is a big brain, who only gets his information from real unbiased news sources like X and Telegram
  • jimmydoe31 minutes ago
    Many may change position when they grow up

    Also young people always blame last gen for whatever, so expects -8 ~ 0 years old would vote for exit again…

    • Upvoter3330 minutes ago
      Pretty dismissive ("when they grow up") of the group of people in the 16-24 year old range. These are not children; most of that group is 18 and over. You imply noise but there is clearly some signal in this result.
      • mikkupikku23 minutes ago
        How old are you now, and how much of what you believe now is the same as when you were 16-24? It shouldn't be controversial to say that young people are brimming with idealism while being low on experience.

        FWIW I think Brexit was dumb but I never felt strongly about any of it because it doesn't effect me in any way. I'm not saying their views on Brexit specifically are likely to change.

        • alistairSH7 minutes ago
          I’m still a bleeding heart and have been since college. If anything I’ve become MORE liberal over time, as that has allowed me time to realize just how wealthy and privileged I am as a male, white American professional.
      • raincole16 minutes ago
        Read it as "when they get older" if that makes you feel better. It's known that people are more likely to switch from liberal to conservatives when they get older than vice versa.
        • saubeidl10 minutes ago
          One could also say people get more conservative as their mental acuity decreases with age, but that too, would be an uncalled for judgement and projection of one's own political views.
  • Keekgette8 minutes ago
    Ofc. At that age bracket, i was stupid and a lefty too.
    • fennecbutt5 minutes ago
      No public healthcare for you and for those you love and care about.

      Keep paying Thameswater so their execs get bonuses while their pipes leak and destroy roads