65 pointsby frou_dh8 hours ago16 comments
  • jkubicek4 hours ago
    I'm not sure if I'm the one to blame for this or not, but the earliest reference to ".gitkeep" I can find online is my 2010 answer on Stack Overflow: https://stackoverflow.com/a/4250082/28422

    If this is all my fault, I'm sorry.

    • selridge4 hours ago
      This is delightful. Accidental load-bearing SO post.
      • jkubicek4 hours ago
        It's especially funny since my answer is wrong anyway! The other top answer is much better. I did get a lot of early SO brownie points from that one answer though.
        • juggerl62 hours ago
          Thankfully AI has put an end to the scourge of confidently-wrong SO hallucinations.
          • adastra22an hour ago
            Well, Claude is here making .gitkeep files like nobody's business.
  • Arrowmaster4 hours ago
    The author makes a very common mistake of not reading the very first line of the documentation for .gitignore.

      A gitignore file specifies intentionally untracked files that Git should ignore. Files already tracked by Git are not affected; see the NOTES below for details.
    
    You should never be putting "!.gitignore" in .gitignore. Just do `echo "*" > .gitignore; git add -f .gitignore`. Once a file is tracked any changes to it will be tracked without needing to use --force with git add.
    • ekipan4 hours ago
      Yeah, this. Plus a mistake from the article:

        $ echo '*\n!.gitignore' > build/.gitignore
      
      The \n won't be interpreted specially by echo unless it gets the -e option.

      Personally if I need a build directory I just have it mkdir itself in my Makefile and rm -rf it in `make clean`. With the article's scheme this would cause `git status` noise that a `/build/` line in a root .gitignore wouldn't. I'm not really sure there's a good tradeoff there.

    • AgentME4 hours ago
      If you have a project template or a tool that otherwise sets up a project but leaves it in the user's hands to create a git repo for it or commit the project into an existing repo, then it would be better for it to create a self-excepting .gitignore file than to have to instruct the user on special git commands to use later.
    • smrq2 hours ago
      Why is this approach better than the author's?
  • beej712 hours ago
    What am I missing about this use case? It seems like you should just create `build/.gitignore` with `*` in it and `add -f` it and be done.

    I'd use `.gitkeep` (or an empty `.gitignore`) if I needed to commit an otherwise-empty hierarchy. But if I'm going to have a `.gitignore` in there anyway, it's not empty.

    > The directory is now “tracked” with a single, standard file that will work even after renames.

    Does `.gitkeep` not work after renames? Or `.gitignore`?

    So I am missing something. :)

    • KPGv2an hour ago
      That's a hack. What you should do is a .gitignore with * and then a whitelist of paths like src/**/*.

      If you rely on `add -f` you will forget to commit something important.

      For example, for a tree sitter grammar I developed a couple years ago, here is my .gitignore:

      ```

      # Ignore everything

      *

      # Top-level whitelist

      CHANGELOG.md

      # Allow git to see inside subdirectories

      !*/

      # Whitelist the grammar and tests

      !/grammar/*.js

      !/test/corpus/*.txt

      # Whitelist any grammar and tests in subdirectories

      !/grammar/**/*.js

      !/test/corpus/**/*.txt

      ```*

  • GreenDolphinSys2 hours ago
    .gitkeep is intuitive and easy to understand. Unignoring a .gitignore is not intuitive. This falls squarely into "clever optimization tricks that obscure intent and readability". Don't do things like this.

    It's not that hard to update a .gitignore file every now and then.

  • cortesoft5 hours ago
    Not sure why you can’t just have your build script create the build directory?
    • andybak5 hours ago
      Because you might not have a build script?
      • cortesoft2 hours ago
        Then how is anything ending up in the build directory?
      • drdec3 hours ago
        Then why do you need a build directory?
        • himata41133 hours ago
          qemu: mkdir build; cd build; ../configure, some projects are like that
  • Kuraj3 hours ago
    If you need to do this, I think .gitkeep communicates intent better. You don't need to document it or risk it being removed as thought to be a left over.
  • OptionOfT2 hours ago
    For me, I put them in directories that have to be there, because the underlying code doesn't create the directory, and without it, it fails.

    Another example is where you want an empty directory mounted in Docker. If the directory is not there it is created with root permissions and then I can't even look into it.

  • 8cvor6j844qw_d64 hours ago
    Is .gitkeep an established convention somewhere? I'm curious where the name originated.
  • kderbyma2 hours ago
    Arent Gitkeep files specifically for empty folders that are intended to be there?

    That is what I have always used them for....

  • yjftsjthsd-h5 hours ago
    I'm confused. Having a file gitignored doesn't stop you from committing it; AFAIK you can just

      touch build/.gitkeep
      git add build/.gitkeep
      git commit build/.gitkeep
    
    And that's it? There's no need to exclude anything.
    • williadc5 hours ago
      The idea is that you don't want to check-in any builds.
      • yjftsjthsd-h5 hours ago
        Sure, so gitignore build/ or whatever. But you don't need to unignore .gitkeep
        • akerl_5 hours ago
          The idea is that instead of adding a nonsense file, you use the native .gitignore functionality.

          ".gitkeep" is just a human thing; it would work the same if you called it ".blahblah".

          So their pitch is that if you want to explicitly keep the existence of the directory as a committed part of the repo, you're better off using the actual .gitignore functionality to check in the .gitignore file but ignore anything else in the directory.

          I don't find it amazingly compelling; .gitkeep isn't breaking anything.

          • dwattttt4 hours ago
            This still confuses me. Do you mean to say "use the .gitignore functionality, and check in the .gitkeep file"?
  • suralind5 hours ago
    I want to like it, but I pretty much always have a "cleanup" script that just deletes the entire directory and touches a .gitkeep file. Obviously an even better pattern is to not have any .gitkeep files, but sometimes they are just handy.
  • cyberrockan hour ago
    File filtering is so delightfully broken everywhere. Everytime I revisit git, rsync, restic, borg, etc. something just goes wrong somewhere on this seemingly simple task, and SO and thus LLMs are filled to the brim with slightly wrong answers. We need a xkcd/927 because it can't possibly get any worse.
  • macote5 hours ago
    The author is misusing .gitkeep. I use it to keep source code folders that don’t contain any code yet, but whose structure is already defined.
    • xyzzy_plugh5 hours ago
      Truly, what purpose does this serve? Defining a hierarchy without using is injecting immediate debt. Just introduce it when stuff goes there! If you really insist then at least put something in the folder. It doesn't take much effort to make the change at least a tiny bit meaningful.

      Better yet just do the work. If you want make a commit in a branch that's destined to be squashed or something, sure, but keep it away from the shared history and certainly remove it when it's not needed anymore.

      • abustamam4 hours ago
        I play around with ComfyUI on my computer to make silly images.

        To manually install it, you must clone the repo. Then you have to download models into the right place. Where's the right place? Well, there's an empty directory called models. They go in there.

        IMO that's an effective use of gitkeep.

      • akoboldfrying4 hours ago
        > Truly, what purpose does this serve?

        The simplest answer is that sometimes other existing software that I need to use treats an empty directory (or, hopefully, a directory containing just an irrelevant file like .gitkeep) differently from an absent directory, and I want that software to behave in the first way instead of the second.

        A more thorough answer would be: Filesystems can represent empty directories, so a technology that supports versioned filesystems should be able to as well. And if that technology can't quite support fully versioned filesystems -- perhaps because it was never designed with that goal in mind -- but can nevertheless support them well enough to cover a huge number of use cases that people actually have, then massaging it a bit to handle those rough edges still makes sense.

    • CGamesPlay2 hours ago
      You can rename `.gitkeep` to `.gitignore` and both be happy in that case.
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  • peter-m805 hours ago
    No, thanks