108 pointsby ramimac2 hours ago25 comments
  • voxleone2 hours ago
    The folks who keep the power grid running, write compilers, secure the internet, and design dependable systems don’t get viral fame, but their contributions are far more critical. That imbalance is no small thing; it shapes who gets funded, who feels validated, and who decides to pursue a challenge that doesn’t promise a quick TikTok moment or a crypto-style valuation bump. A complex technological civilization depends on people willing to go deep, to wrestle with fundamentals, to think in decades rather than funding cycles. If the next generation of capable minds concludes that visibility is more rational than depth, we’re not just changing startup culture. You can survive a lot of hype. You can’t survive a steady erosion of mastery.
    • stego-tech32 minutes ago
      It’s not limited to young people, unfortunately. About fifty years ago, executive leadership became far more visible in the public eye and combative with workers, all to juice share prices for their own compensation bumps. Conglomerates built on monstrous estates of interconnected business lines were gradually gutted and slashed to promote price bumps on shares, at the expense of profitable lines of business.

      The net result is a (mostly) American business model predicated on Celebrity C-Suites doing highly visible things while those doing the hard work of creating value are shunted into offices and paid less compared to productivity gains over time. It shouldn’t be a surprise that social media and the internet have supercharged this, especially with groups like YC, Softbank, a16z, and other VCs splashing out Capital on flash over substance, exploitation over business fundamentals, “disruption” over societal benefit and symbiosis.

      The net result is a growing schism of resentment by those who do the work towards those who get the credit, glory, and reward, versus those who bask in stardom and truly believe they can replace the perceived entitlement of labor wholesale with an instant gratification machine and somehow survive the resulting societal collapse such a device would bring about.

    • iugtmkbdfil834an hour ago
      I thought about it recently. Not that long ago, it was perfectly reasonable to be as invisible as possible. But now, this strategy is not only not easy, but also has drawbacks, when compared to being visible ( and understood as useful by the masses ). I don't like it. It effectively means we all need PR management.
      • mjr0040 minutes ago
        > Not that long ago, it was perfectly reasonable to be as invisible as possible. But now, this strategy is not only not easy, but also has drawbacks, when compared to being visible ( and understood as useful by the masses ).

        That's always been the case depending on what you're trying to do, though. If you want to be Corporation Employee #41,737, or work for the government, you don't need a "personal brand"; just a small social network who knows your skills is good enough. If you're in your early 20s and trying to get 9 figures of investment in your AI startup, yeah you need to project an image as Roy from the article is doing.

        It's amplified a bit in the social media world, but remember that only ~0.5% of people actively comment or post on social media. 99.5% of the world is invisible and doing just fine.

      • keiferski22 minutes ago
        This is one consequence of removing all gatekeepers. Previously you’d only need to be known by your manager and his manager, or in the arts, by a small group of tastemakers.

        Nowadays there are no tastemakers, and thus you need to be a public figure in order to even find your audience / niche in the first place.

      • rgloveran hour ago
        That's a force you move away from, not towards.
      • Manfred41 minutes ago
        Maybe publicly invisible, but a personal network and resume have always been important in a career.
    • hdtx5432 minutes ago
      You think the power grid fell out of the head of some master craftsman thinking in decades? They dont teach the history of science for various reasons, but its basically a ledger of how over rated 3 inch chimp brain intelligence is. The power grid is thing of beauty. Today. But the path to that Beauty is one train wreck after another. Boiler explosions that kill hundreds. Wiring that burns down towns. Transformers that cook themselves and everyone around them. Hurricanes that blow half the grid into the sea in 5 minutes etc etc etc. We learn things the hard way. And always have. There was never any master plan. Beauty happened inspite of it with huge hidden costs that only historians tabulate and very few have the time and luxury to study. Individual Mastery is not magic. Because complexity and unpredictability in the universe is way more than what one 3 inch chimp brain can fully comprehend or ever handle. But we create more problems by pretending limits to what chimps can do dont exist. Look up Theory of Bounded Rationality.
      • bee_rider6 minutes ago
        Anyway, the original “power grid” guy was not some master craftsman or engineer, he was the original STEM influencer: Edison. He also popularized short videos.
    • rgloveran hour ago
      This idea seems to be lost on a lot of people. It's a shame to see mastery (and by extension, quality) becoming an anachronism and frankly, terrifying. There's a certain hubris associated with all of this that seems to be blinding people to the reality that, no, you actually do want humans around who actually know how things are put together and work.

      That being dismissed as a "nice to have" is like watching people waving flags while strapping c4 to civilizational progress.

    • zer00eyz39 minutes ago
      > The folks who keep the power grid running ...

      I find this a great choice for an opener. If linesman across the nation go on strike, its a week before the power is off everywhere. A lot of people seem to think the world is simple, and a reading of 'I, Pencil' would go far enlighten them as to how complicated things are.

      > secure the internet...

      Here, again, are we doing a good job? We keep stacking up turtles, layers and layers of abstraction rather than replace things at the root to eliminate the host of problems that we have.

      Look at docker, Look at flat packs... We have turned these into methods to "install software" (now with added features) because it was easier to stack another turtle than it was to fix the underlying issues...

      I am a fan of the LLM derived tools, use them every day, love them. I dont buy into the AGI hype, and I think it is ultimately harmful to our industry. At some point were going to need more back to basics efforts (like system d) to replace and refine some of these tools from the bottom up rather than add yet another layer to the stack.

      I also think that agents are going to destroy business models: cancel this service I cant use, get this information out of this walled garden, summarize the news so I dont see all the ad's.

      The AI bubble will "burst", much like the Dotcom one. We're going to see a lot of interesting and great things come out of the other side. It's those with "agency" and "motivation" to make those real foundational changes that are going to find success.

    • measurablefuncan hour ago
      We have AI now. The machines will manage their own infrastructure.
  • FloorEgg23 minutes ago
    I was enjoying the article until I got to this paragraph:

    > Individual intelligence will mean nothing once we have superhuman AI, at which point the difference between an obscenely talented giga-nerd and an ordinary six-pack-drinking bozo will be about as meaningful as the difference between any two ants. If what you do involves anything related to the human capacity for reason, reflection, insight, creativity, or thought, you will be meat for the coltan mines.

    Believing this feels incredibly unwise to me. I think it's going to do more damage than the AI itself will.

    To any impressionable students reading this: the most valuable and important thing you can learn will be to think critically and communicate well. No AI can take it away from you, and the more powerful AI will get the more you will be able to harness it's potential. Don't let these people saying this ahit discourage you from building a good life.

    • jcgrillo15 minutes ago
      In the context of the rest of the piece, I read this as sarcasm. The author is making fun of the species of narcissistic silly con valley techbro who actually believes such nonsense.
      • FloorEgg11 minutes ago
        Ah, I struggle with sarcasm sometimes and I was a bit distracted while reading. I'll give it another chance.
  • iugtmkbdfil834an hour ago
    << The highly agentic are people who just do things. They don’t timidly wait for permission or consensus; they drive like bulldozers through whatever’s in their way.

    I genuinely like the author's style ( not in the quote above; its here for a different reason ). It paints a picture in a way that I still am unable to. I suck at stories.

    Anyway, back to the quote. If that is true, then we are in pickle. Claw and its security issues is just a symptom of that 'break things' spirit. And yes, this has been true for a while, but we keep increasing both in terms of speed and scale. I am not sure what the breaking point is, but at certain point real world may balk.

    • reductuman hour ago
      He writes an excellent blog: https://samkriss.substack.com/
      • threetonesunan hour ago
        Seeing a Substack email collection box where you have to agree to whatever its terms are to subscribe with a skip to content link of "No, I'm a coward" is... an experience. I'll take your word he's an excellent writer, if there's an RSS feed maybe I'll subscribe.
        • dqv43 minutes ago
          Oh, I just edited it with developer tools to "No thank you, and I'm brave" so that clicking it wouldn't turn me into a coward
        • kurttheviking44 minutes ago
          Most Substacks have an RSS feed (I'm not sure if one can disable it or not); in this case: https://samkriss.substack.com/feed
  • FatherOfCurses2 hours ago
    >The city is temperate and brightly colored, with plenty of pleasant trees, but on every corner it speaks to you in an aggressively alien nonsense. Here the world automatically assumes that instead of wanting food or drinks or a new phone or car, what you want is some kind of arcane B2B service for your startup. You are not a passive consumer. You are making something.

    I recently traveled to San Francisco and as an outsider this was pretty much the reaction I had.

    • eastonan hour ago
      I've been to SF three times, and each time the oddest thing was going down 101 from the airport and seeing cURL commands and "you sped past that just like we sped past Snowflake" and such on billboards. It's like being on another planet where everyone is at work.

      (on the other hand, in DC there's ads on the metro for new engine upgrades for fighter jets, and i've gotten used to that.)

      • esafak16 minutes ago
        And in LA, every billboard is about Hollywood. It's something you just have to take in your stride.

        I do get that it is not nice to be constantly reminded about work. Trees would make a nicer view.

        • snozolli3 minutes ago
          I visited L.A. in 2023 and the thing that shocked me was how many billboards were for products that I only ever heard advertised on podcasts. MeUndies, for example.
      • jcgrillo10 minutes ago
        I don't miss billboards. Cows, trees, mountains, and lumberyards make better scenery.
  • rootnod332 minutes ago
    This hits especially hard for projects like OlenBSD and FreeBSD. The unsung heroes.

    Linux gets some fame and recognition, meanwhile OpenBSD and FreeBSD are the ones they power routers, CDNs and so many other cool shit while also being legit good systems that even deserve attention for the desktop.

  • temp8830an hour ago
    This was good. The author found a way to say what we are all thinking - and isn't getting canceled for it. That's true talent.
  • keiferski10 minutes ago
    The strangest thing about all of this to me is how SF seems to have absorbed basically none of the previous SF culture. You can detect the commercial, artistic, cultural histories of NYC in the various industries there, from media to finance. Ditto for LA, or London, or Paris.

    In SF though, it’s as if the previous culture of the place has just been overwritten entirely. Hard to believe that it’s the same city which Kerouac, the Beats or Hippies ran around in. Or even the historically wealthy but cultural old money class, like Lewis Lapham’s family, or Michael Douglas’s character in The Game. Nope, all gone, and certainly no one there has ever read On the Road.

    I suppose you could probably just blame this on how the people at the top behave: totally uninterested in funding culture, like the billionaires of yesteryear. And so a city which is hyper focused on one economic activity has no space for anything else.

  • functionmouse11 minutes ago
    We're doomed
  • doctor_blood37 minutes ago
    Kriss doesn't touch on the deeper issue of why investors keep giving money to people that openly advertise themselves as con artists.
    • FloorEgg14 minutes ago
      Building a successful startup is very hard, and not just in the "it's a lot of hard work" sense, but also in terms of making good decisions. For the average person who went to school and worked in some other industry/capacity, the good decisions are very counterintuitive.

      Most VCs have no idea how to accuratly judge startups based on their core merit, or how to make good decision in startups (though they may think they do), so instead they focus on things like "will this founder be able to hype up this startup and sell the next round so I can mark it up on my books".

  • ai_ai22 minutes ago
    I had an AI summarize this article, and it said it's super pessimistic. It’s basically arguing that summarizing is a bad idea. yet I did it. ( I am happy )
  • xg1521 minutes ago
    I had always thought that Kai Lentit's characters were at least somewhat exaggerated and not a 1:1 copy of the real thing...
  • lordleftan hour ago
    I read Sam Kriss' substack and he's a wildly unique and talented writer.
    • bogrollbenan hour ago
      agreed - I was shocked how quickly I became immersed reading this relatively simple story.
  • climike36 minutes ago
    Not sure about the end of thinking, would say that this is the start of managing ever more stochastic systems
  • cleandreamsan hour ago
    To be fair SF has had incomprehensible (to normies) billboards since at least the early 90's.
  • bakugoan hour ago
    > The cafés of San Francisco are full of highly paid tech workers clattering away on their keyboards; if you peer at their screens to get a closer look, you’ll generally find them copying and pasting material from a ChatGPT window.

    Witnessed this first hand on the train the other day. A woman on her laptop. On the left half of the screen, Microsoft Word. On the right, ChatGPT. Text being dragged directly from one to the other.

    I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that people with useless bullshit jobs have found a way to become even more useless than they already were before. It's impressive, in a way.

  • i_love_retrosan hour ago
    The description of cluely's office makes me think of Sugar Ape magazine in Nathan barley.
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  • munificent24 minutes ago
    Beautiful article.

    I think the "agency" the article talks about is really just "willingness to take risks". And the reason some people are high outliers on that scale is a combination of:

    * Coming from such a level of privilege that they will be completely fine even if they lose over and over again.

    * Willingness to push any losses onto other undeserving people without experiencing guilt.

    * A psychological compulsion towards impulsive behavior and inability to think about long-term consequences.

    In short, rich selfish sociopaths.

    Some amount of risk-taking is necessary for innovation. But the level we are seeing today is clearly unsustainable and destructive to the fabric of society. It's the difference between confining a series of little bangs to produce an internal combustion engine versus just throwing hand grenades around the public square. The willingness to take chances needs to be surrounded by a structure that minimizes the blast radius of failure.

  • FrankWilhoit2 hours ago
    Devolution.
    • analog83742 hours ago
      Not necessarily stoned but mutatious.
  • andsoitis2 hours ago
    AI can’t function without instructions from humans, but an increasing number of humans seem incapable of functioning without AI.
    • booleandilemma2 hours ago
      A really weird symbiotic relationship.

      I'm glad I went to school when people learned how to think.

      • littlexsparkeean hour ago
        It'll benefit established folks as the pipeline withers but at the expense of society - things were already sufficiently borked before this phenomenon.
      • john_strinlai9 minutes ago
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    • analog8374an hour ago
      Does it become circular?

      A 2-cycle ouroboros. Man-machine-man-etc. Consuming each-other's secretions. Forever.

  • FatherOfCursesan hour ago
    > "The future won’t reward effort. It’ll reward leverage." (From the Cluely ad)

    JFC kill me now that is NOT a future I want to live in.

    • qgin9 minutes ago
      Has the world ever rewarded effort?
      • krapp4 minutes ago
        No. Not once in the entire history of the human race, from the time we were dwelling in caves to today, not in any tribe, village, hamlet, city, state, kingdom or nation, in no culture or circumstance, has effort ever been rewarded.

        It's weird that homo sapiens sapiens has been around for approximately 300,000 years and it's never happened once. Not even once.

    • butterbomban hour ago
      This became clear to me over the last few years. We are quickly returning to a world of entrenched social hierarchy where there are lords and peasants and little room even for social mobility.

      With the corpse of meritocracy too rotted to deny at this point the elite simply seem to have run out of lies for placating the people.

      Or, more likely the people are so sickeningly impotent, that’s there’s no need for the lies anymore. The new aristocracy will prevail over liberalism and everything the west lied of being part of the their values for years.

  • zerosizedweasle2 hours ago
    "What I discovered, though, is that behind all these small complaints, there’s something much more serious. Roy Lee is not like other people. He belongs to a new and possibly permanent overclass. One of the pervasive new doctrines of Silicon Valley is that we’re in the early stages of a bifurcation event. Some people will do incredibly well in the new AI era. They will become rich and powerful beyond anything we can currently imagine. But other people—a lot of other people—will become useless. They will be consigned to the same miserable fate as the people currently muttering on the streets of San Francisco, cold and helpless in a world they no longer understand. The skills that could lift you out of the new permanent underclass are not the skills that mattered before. For a long time, the tech industry liked to think of itself as a meritocracy: it rewarded qualities like intelligence, competence, and expertise. But all that barely matters anymore. Even at big firms like Google, a quarter of the code is now written by AI. Individual intelligence will mean nothing once we have superhuman AI, at which point the difference between an obscenely talented giga-nerd and an ordinary six-pack-drinking bozo will be about as meaningful as the difference between any two ants. If what you do involves anything related to the human capacity for reason, reflection, insight, creativity, or thought, you will be meat for the coltan mines."

    What people really think about Silicon Valley. Not so fun to devalue people now is it? Tech is biggest group of assholes.

    • Throaway19822 hours ago
      It's all about the pathetic rationalization we have placed on greed and profit. We can make millions redundant with AI and still have a social safety net that keeps society stable and healthy. But no, that wouldn't be "fair" to the people who generate millions of net worth every 5 minute.
      • anonym292 hours ago
        If you could confiscate 100% of the assets of every billionaire in the country, and sell all of them for market rate without putting any downward pressure on prices at all, that sum would not fund 10 months of the federal government's current spending levels, and even less if you wanted new programs.
        • jayd1640 minutes ago
          Once we did that we'd have a lot less personal influence over that spending budget, at least.

          But focusing on current assets and not accumulation of wealth is misleading. You'd also have to allocate the ongoing wealth accumulation to get a better sense of things.

        • smallmancontrovan hour ago
          If you cured 100% of all cancer it would only reduce US deaths by 20%. Clearly we should conclude that cancer isn't a problem and isn't worth curing, and also that heart disease and unintentional injuries and so on are also not problems and also not worth trying to fix.
          • clean hour ago
            GP didn't say it's not a problem and not worth fixing. They're claiming this is not a good fix.
            • smallmancontrovan hour ago
              They invented a dumb fix and complained that it wasn't good. Or, since we're being artistic in this thread: pulled a straw man out of their ass and complained that it smelled foul.

              I did the same with cancer/mortality to demonstrate the same trick in a setting where its flaws were more obvious. It's true that I said the quiet part out loud in a way that the post I was mocking did not, but the quiet part is especially important to debunk so I make no apology for doing so.

              • qgina few seconds ago
                It's not really a strawman.

                Total net worth of all US billionaires is about $8 trillion.

                2025 budget for the US federal government is about $7 trillion.

                So if you seize the entire net worth of US billionaires, you get a one time funding of the US federal government for about 14 months.

        • elictronican hour ago
          You could make 900 people go from billionaires to high net worth individuals and nearly fund the exorbitant spending of the US government that directly supports 330 million people for a year.

          I think you might be overselling how good that is.

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        • throw4847285an hour ago
          I don't think you understand how taxation works.
        • a_better_worldan hour ago
          ok, but how about if we stop funding ICE?
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  • precompute43 minutes ago
    This article is a portrait of three Sociopathic Zoomers : the twitter poster, the cheating app guy and the teenage scammer. All three are net negatives to society.
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  • jeffbeean hour ago
    Wordcel backlash, basically.