12 pointsby JumpCrisscross5 hours ago1 comment
  • gradus_ad5 hours ago
    It is fascinating to observe the concept of protest, like so many other concepts recently, being hijacked and misappropriated to mask something else entirely. We have a particular conception of the term, what it implies, what it evokes, yet it is frequently being used to describe activities that clash with the implicit features carried by the term. This is a form of semantic warfare, in which words become enmeshed in the fog of war.

    To be more precise, one aspect of what I'm describing relates to the mass production of protest, the formation of an inorganic protest "complex". Protest is popularly considered a spontaneous, organic outpouring of popular sentiment, something that reflects the mass will of a people suppressed by some hostile power. Yet increasingly protest is being used by hostile forces in a pre-meditated, engineered, inorganic way while maintaining the appearance and narrative of the "traditional" conception of protest, which it resembles less and less.

    This is just one example of the general case of a metric ceasing to be useful once it is recognize as a metric. Once we begin explicitly trying to target some metric, some behavior, some form, we effectively become liars as the form we take no longer speaks to some deeper truth as it was originally meant to.

    • Eddy_Viscosity24 hours ago
      > Protest is popularly considered a spontaneous, organic outpouring of popular sentiment

      It is sometime this, but it is also popularly known as an organized struggle against an oppressive power. Examples being, Ghandi's independence movement in India, the suffrage movements for the right of women to vote, and the civil rights movements in the 60s. These were all highly organized, premeditated and engineered to achieve specific objectives.

      > increasingly protest is being used by hostile forces

      Here you'd have to define 'hostile forces', because it sounds like you are defining it as 'anyone who disagrees with the current power structure', which would be all protesters because that what protests are.

    • xtiansimon3 hours ago
      > “It is fascinating to observe the concept of protest...just one example of the general case of a metric ceasing to be useful once it is recognize as a metric.”

      Isn’t this just a case of “semantic drift”?

      • gradus_ad3 hours ago
        It's a particular phenomena that results in semantic change, but just dismissing it as drift misses the interesting dynamics at play.
    • RupertSalt5 hours ago