Show HN: TWFF – A container format for declaring AI use in writing(github.com)
2 pointsby normanbell2 hours ago2 comments
  • ryukoposting2 hours ago
    The file format seems reasonable enough, it's the mechanics of actually deciding when to mark an edit as AI-generated that I'm curious about.

    You mention Canvas and Moodle integration... do you envision students being required to use a TWFF-native editor embedded inside these platforms? If so, it seems to me like the actual hard part would be recreating gdocs but on a upload-your-homework SaaS budget.

    And what about block quotes? If I have a couple sentences to quote from another work, will pasting them into the editor cause them to be marked as "AI generated?"

    I think you're on the right track here, but it may be better to focus on logging how edits were made, whether by manual typing or pasting. Add an "undo" button that pops the latest edit off the stack. At that point, AI cheating can still be manually detected by searching the change log for long pastes, then inspecting any long pastes for their content.

    But even that doesn't actually work, because I could just generate some sludge with ChatGPT, then hand-type the output into the editor. At least you've made it less convenient, I guess.

    I really like this idea, best of luck.

    • normanbellan hour ago
      Thanks for the feedback > On the Hand-typing sludge: at the moment the idea is that if a student/author is forced to manually re-type AI output, the convenience gap narrows significantly. At that point, they are engaging with the text at a character level. More importantly, hand-typing has a distinct revision velocity (natural pauses, backspaces, typos) that differs from a Point-in-Time injection. I'm not trying to make cheating impossible, its more about trying to make it as much work as actually learning.

      > 'Paste' vs. 'AI' distinction: In v0.1, we just treat paste and ai_interaction as similar events in the log. The 'AI' tag in the demo is just to show what’s possible. In a production spec, it would likely be logged as external_insertion, and the student could then add a citation.

      > Editor vs. Integration: Recreating google docs is a non-starter, the vision is to be plugin first. Instead of a new SaaS, it would be a headless logging engine inside an Extension for Google Docs or an Overleaf plugin.

      Love the idea of popping the latest edit off the stack, will probably add it to the next version.

  • normanbell2 hours ago
    Just to pre-answer some question i usually get irl.

    Can't I just script a 'human-like' delay and spoof the log? Currently, yes. But v0.1 is about the container. Future iterations will look at signing and making it as computationally expensive to fake the process as it is to just write the text.

    Is this just surveillance? It’s an Opt-in Declaration. The user owns the file and the log.