EU also investigating as Grok generated 23,000 CSAM images in 11 days(9to5mac.com)

18 pointsby MBCook3 hours ago2 comments

greatgiban hour ago
I would not say if Grok has a real problem or not but the CCDH that did the study looks like to be a "scam". I don't know who fund them but they have clearly an agenda and would "manufacture" data however they can to support it.
Title of the study and article says that Grok "Generated", but in fact:
> The CCDH then extrapolated
Basically they invent numbers.
They took a sample of 20k generated images, and it is assumed (but I don't know if the source is reliable) that Grok would have generated 4.6 millions image at the same time. So the sample is 00.4%.
If you see the webpage of the CCDH it is a joke their study. First:
```
   - Images were defined as sexualized if they contain [...] a person in underwear, swimwear or similarly revealing clothing.

   - Sexualized Images (Adults & Children): 12,995 found

   - Sexualized Images (Likely Children): 101 found
```
First they invent their own definition, then adequately mixup possible "adult" pictures to give scary numbers.
- MBCook43 minutes ago
  What do you propose they do? Manually review every single image generated?
  Even if it’s “only” 1 million that would be a math task. Random sampling is the best we can do.
- dtj1123an hour ago
  Right... So how much CSAM is an acceptable amount of CSAM in your opinion then?
  - zb336 minutes ago
    Who was abused here?
mhitzaan hour ago
I don't like the fact that results are extrapolated. Give me the number you have and only that. Or the title could be "could have generated 23000..."
- advisedwangan hour ago
  If it's a truly random sample [1] it's perfectly valid; there would be no reason to think that the other images have less frequency of CSAM.
  [1] The methodology just says "To collect the sample, researchers used a licensed third-party tool to select 20,000 posts at random out of all Grok posts that contained an image"
- Symbiotean hour ago
  Following the links to the source: https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz...
  We have that 101 images were "Sexualized Images (Likely Children)" after a manual review of 20,000 images.
  - zb335 minutes ago
    So the number is 0, because you can't even know if those are children given they don't even exist..
    optionalsquid17 minutes ago
    Two of the three examples listed in the article appear to involve real children:
    > A selfie uploaded by a schoolgirl was undressed by Grok, turning a “before school selfie” into an image of her in a bikini. As of January 15th this post was still live on X. ... Four images depicting child actors.