3 pointsby elliotbnvl4 hours ago3 comments
  • cauenapier4 hours ago
    “The internet is dead” feels emotionally true if you only look at algorithmic feeds full of AI sludge and engagement bait. But I think that’s mistaking the loudest layer of the web for the whole thing.

    The internet isn’t dead, the human parts just aren’t concentrated on a few megaplatforms anymore. They’re scattered across personal blogs, niche communities, indie sites, and small networks that don’t optimize for infinite scale. The web feels worse because the default surfaces are worse, not because humans left.

    Calling it dead risks turning a discoverability problem into a nihilistic one. The interesting work is figuring out how to surface and grow the human corners, not declaring the whole system a loss.

    I wrote a short piece expanding on this idea: https://cauenapier.com/blog/the-internet-is-not-quite-dead/

    • elliotbnvl4 hours ago
      I love that point and it’s a really good reframe. But I feel like so many people are relying on AI to do everything for them already that this is a really really hard problem.

      I love your piece though and the call to action: “Make the internet more human again.”

      It’s really inspiring, I hope it works, but I also feel like we should try multiple things at the same time just to be safe.

      And what if you do want a place where you can just go and have one feed for your friends and family?

      Maybe my essay should be titled “social media is dead” instead.

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  • Bender4 hours ago
    You know this to be true. You can feel it every time you open an app.

    Apps and their related platforms are not the internet. The internet works almost like it did decades ago, just faster and more resilient.

    Some of the platforms on the internet may feel fake however. When platforms get big they get infiltrated by people that wish to impose their grift, beliefs and cultures on the people using said platforms. These people automate their efforts via bots and try to start conversations between people and bots. This is why we can't have nice things. I think it is that simple.

    Oh and the internet itself is far from dead. If anything it is faster and more stable than ever. The internet, not platforms. Platforms can be replaced or rendered a ghost town. Motivate those that run your platforms to block all the bots even if it means the platform may feel less active. Not just block but get creative and punish the botters.

    • elliotbnvl4 hours ago
      Yeah on further thought I totally agree. Between your comment and the other comment on this post I think I need to tighten my thesis: social media is dead, not the Internet.

      I think the core idea probably will benefit from the increased focus. Your nicely phrased clarification of the problem as a matter of scale and trust of good humans is also, I think, addressed by the model I propose.

      • Bender19 minutes ago
        For what it's worth I think social media could be revived but there may be a psychological hurdle for the platform operators to overcome. They may have the perception that blocking bots and especially AI could cause them to miss out on something or Free Of Missing Out. I personally think they are shooting themselves in both feet by not blocking bots. Youtube is being seriously poisoned by fake content AI.

        I can envision a new platform marketing themselves on the concept of "Bot Free" or "Only Humans" if they could manage to pull that off without invading privacy.

        • elliotbnvl6 minutes ago
          Cool! That's what the platform I'm envisioning in the link does. Does it click for you or did my wording/explanation kinda fall flat?
  • elliotbnvl4 hours ago
    I wrote this essay to capture how I feel about the current state of the internet and share a potential solution.

    The tl;dr is I'm saddened and scared in equal measure by the rise of bots, and I think we need to do something new in order to preserve any vestige of human-to-human digital communication.

    My proposal is that we create invite-only networks where every account traces back through a chain of human trust. If a bot gets in, you prune the branch: remove it and every account it invited. The threat of losing your account (and your invitees losing theirs) creates real social accountability and makes moderation at scale practical.

    There are kinks with the idea of course like the risk of false flags, witch hunts, and slow growth, but AI detection and CAPTCHAS are in a losing arms race with LLMs.

    • elliotbnvl4 hours ago
      It’s a bit of an omai wa shinderu situation, to be fair, the Internet is already dead but a lot of people don’t know it yet. I think that leaves us a short window to organize alternatives. Who knows, maybe it’s already closed. But we have to try.