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  • freetime22 hours ago
    How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years?

    Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

    • porphyraan hour ago
      Anand reached world #1 ranking at 38, managed to win a world championship and defend the title for a decade in his late 40s, and remains in #13 in his 50s right now.
    • xmprt24 minutes ago
      Magnus' longevity has more to do with his willingness to continue competing than his actual skill. He's been pretty vocal about his issues with FIDE so I can see a world where he stops participating in FIDE events to focus on non-FIDE events that he enjoys more. He's already withdrawn from the Candidates which qualifies you for the World Championship.
    • flaviolivolsi2 hours ago
      Kasparov remained the n.1 player until his retirement at 42, we can likely expect no less from Magnus
    • nilslindemann6 minutes ago
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    • bmurphy1976an hour ago
      Magnus is in uncharted territory here. We won't really know the answer to this question for quite some time.
    • chilicat22 minutes ago
      > the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

      The stress of elite competition clearly has a shelf life, but Magnus is not overly old. Cognitive performance typically hits a plateau at 35 years old and begins a sustained decline after 45 years old.

      The current youth wave of GMs is likely a function of compressed training efficiency. Modern players reach the 10,000 hours threshold much earlier because they had greater access to better training material and had better practice.

    • simbleau2 hours ago
      Is there really a decline with age when it comes to chess? I’m not sure he will really decline until he reaches his retirement age.
      • traesan hour ago
        For some concrete numbers, there are only four players over 50 years of age in the top 100 at the moment by live ratings[0]. They are ranked #13 (age 56), #89 (age 53), #95 (age 54), and #97 (age 57). In their primes these players were ranked #1, #10, #4, and #3 respectively.

        [0]: https://2700chess.com/?per-page=100

        • dehrmann34 minutes ago
          Isn't he playing Chess960 because he started finding standard chess boring? And wasn't that why Fischer worked on it in the first place? Experts might get bored of it by the time they're 50.
          • peter42219 minutes ago
            The reason the top pros like chess960 is because they don’t need to spend hundreds of hours of opening preparation, they can just sit down and play.

            Caruana (the guy who lost to Magnus), mused in a podcast that chess960 feels strange as a competitor because he doesn’t really prepare (because there are far too many openings to study) and said it feels like he’s getting paid for much less work.

        • Taekan hour ago
          This is some fascinating data, thanks for pulling it together.
      • Trufa2 hours ago
        There's a sharp decline with age. Magnus himself says he's not as sharp as he was younger, even if he can compensate with experience.
      • jacquesman hour ago
        For most people there is a cognitive decline with age, and chess is clearly a cognitive effort. Like with everything else: experience really matters, but you will simply be a bit less sharp over time and in a game where a tiny mistake can compound to a loss it really matters.
    • lethologica2 hours ago
      Context helps. A lot of really strong players are 12 years old.
      • smt88an hour ago
        That context doesn't help me at all. Is a "really strong" 12yo in contention to win this particular competition that a 35yo won?
        • traesan hour ago
          No, even the best prodigies typically aren't winning super tournaments until 17 or 18, and we haven't really had one of those since Gukesh won candidates last cycle. The youngest player in this event was a 20 year old who placed last. (Though to be fair to the youngsters, 3rd and 4th place are both 21 years old.)

          Generally speaking it's expected that chess players will peak around their late 20s and slowly decline from there, with sharp declines around age 50. It's unusual but not unheard of for players in their 40s to win major tournaments. 42 year old Levon Aronian won several last year, but it was considered a notable example of longevity every time he won.

          In terms of raw numbers, there are currently 30 players in their 30s, 15 players in their 40s, 4 players in their 50s, and no players older that in the top 100. The youngest is 14-year old Yagiz Kaan Erdogmus, who is considered the greatest chess prospect of all time.

    • p-e-w2 hours ago
      > Is it impressive to be winning at 35?

      No. Multiple world champions have been older than that.

    • TheRealPomaxan hour ago
      You... should watch him stream. That'll pretty much answer your questions. Age is far less relevant to chess compared to keeping up with the current "meta" (in gamer parlance).
  • saucymew3 hours ago
    It feels like the cohort GM player pool is mentally cooked against Magnus.

    Youngsters like Lazavik during the Speed Chess Championship or Sindarov in Freestyle were the most recent convincing wins against Magnus, but the historical mental edge that Magnus comes into each game after beating the brakes out of everyone is hard to overcome.

    Magnus' time will come! But not today.

    • epolanski2 hours ago
      I don't think it's merely mental albeit it seems like even nervous Carlsen is cooler than his very focused opponents (see game 3 vs Fabiano where caruana had a completely winning position after carlsens blunder).

      Carlsen has spent the core of his career mastering two aspects historically underlooked aspects of the game.

      The first is the endgame, and there isn't much to say there. He's by far the best end game player by far and it's not even close.

      The second are drawish locked positions where most GMs can't but see a draw. Carlsen realized that in order for it to be a draw his opponents still have to play perfect and he focused a lot on accumulating small but convincing advantages in those kind of games.

      Another thing that should not be overlook: mental strength, like you point out.

      • dwd29 minutes ago
        Carlsen has always had a tenacity that allows him to come back from positions other players would give up on thinking to conserve effort to fight another day. Mental strength and stamina to stay in the fight has always been something that made him who he is.

        You also can't underestimate physical stamina. Kasparov in his 5-3 result against Karpov in 1984-85 was eventually halted due to Karpov's exhaustion and losing 18kg over the match period.

    • FreakLegion3 hours ago
      Are you referring to the odd individual game? Magnus beat Lazavik pretty badly in the SCC and knocked Sindarov out of the Freestyle final.
      • saucymew2 hours ago
        Individual games.

        The ones that specifically come to mind are Lazavik vs. Carlsen, Speed Chess Championship 2025 Semi-Final, Round 3, and Sindarov vs. Carlsen, Freestyle Chess Grand Slam Finals 2025 in South Africa, Round 1 of the Group Stage Finals.

    • make33 hours ago
      or maybe he's just very good?
      • rybosworld2 hours ago
        Agree you don't have to overcomplicate it. Magnus is a generational talent.
        • datsci_est_2015an hour ago
          I would almost say “generational” is underselling it. Gretzky might be the only competitor that’s even comparable in terms of dominance.
          • dwd27 minutes ago
            Sir Donald Bradman would like a word...
      • system23 hours ago
        Brain ages. He will eventually decline just like any human being. Let's hope by then he will have the wisdom to smile when that happens.
        • make33 hours ago
          Ageism also just one of these shitty unproven biases, like sexism, which is self-realizing by applying pressure to people who fall out of the mold even slightly.

          He's 30 something, not 90.

          • IMTDb29 minutes ago
            Regarding sexism; most tournaments in Chess (including the world championship) are fully open and are thus gender netral: anyone can participate regardless of sex/gender and will compete on equal footing.

            Women only categories have been created to give women visibility because they mostly were not able to reach advanced levels in the open format.

            Some women choose to compete with men (Judit Polgár being a somewhat recent example) but most go straight to the women only tournaments to have a shot.

            The men vs women « bias » is not unproven, they litterally had to create entire categories of competiton to account for it.

          • epolanski2 hours ago
            It's not unproven, there's ample literature and research on the fact.

            Besides, the age pool of chess itself confirms it.

            There's a single player in his 50s in the top 50 of chess and not a single 60+ in the top 100.

            Also, even carlsen himself says he's no longer as good as he was years before and his mind isn't as strong.

          • kaonwarb2 hours ago
            Cognition certainly declines with age at the population level. See e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/.
            • make32 hours ago
              yes but he's 30 not 90, and knowledge and experience continues to accumulate through life, which can certainly compensate
              • DustinEchoes10 minutes ago
                The decline starts in your early thirties, and those who are pushing their cognition to its limit are the first to notice.
          • elevation2 hours ago
            If the skill you need to select for is tactical combinatorics, then Chess dominance as a function of age would seem to support the premise of ageism.

            What ageism ignores is that outside of chess, prescience outperforms other measures of productivity.

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          • hikkerl2 hours ago
            Can you provide at least three (3) peer-reviewed studies to support this?
          • bsder2 hours ago
            > Ageism also just one of these shitty unproven biases

            You might be right, if we were talking about anything except chess.

            Chess, unlike everything else, has a clear ranking system and lots of records for people to analyze. And unfortunately, the record is very clear: chess ability decreases after a certain age.

            However, the decrease is more likely due to stamina than mental decline. Chess tournaments take a long time, and stamina definitely decreases with age. However, pro athletes demonstrate that you can probably go until around your early 40s before it becomes a real issue.

            Having said that, it will be interesting to see how this generation does in the blitz formats as they age. Those will be less dependent upon stamina and a better measure of mental acuity for chess.

  • haunter3 hours ago
    • rglover2 hours ago
      This is great, thank you for sharing.
  • HardwareLust4 hours ago
    Fabi a bridesmaid again. The curse of being born in Magnus' generation.
    • gyudin4 hours ago
      The curse of being born in Smartphones’ generation :3
  • xiphias244 minutes ago
    The last match was crazy. It looked so ,,easy win'' for Fabi after Magnus's blunder that I was just fast tracking it as I was sure Magnus has no chance (especially while looking at the eval bar).

    I feel sorry for Fabi not winning it, but of course there can be only one winner.

  • smnplk3 hours ago
    I think Nakamura didnt play this time because of his Candidates prep. Otherwise I think Nakamura would have a slight edge on Carlsen in this game.
    • mythzan hour ago
      Hikaru is either in a slump or his skill is starting to age: hasn't won Titled Tuesday since November, hasn't won Freestyle Friday this year, came last in Speed Chess Championship, etc.

      We'll see how well he does in Candidates this year to see if he's still a top contender. Although I do believe this is his last chance to fight for the world title.

      • traes28 minutes ago
        To be clear, "came last in Speed Chess Championship" actually means he came in 4th out of 16. He still made it to the semifinals. Even then he barely lost to Alireza, who is pretty universally considered a top 3 speed chess player. The loss to Lazavik was a lot worse, but it was still a close match against a strong player. He hasn't won a Titled Tuesday this year but he hasn't scored worse than 8/11 and he's still made the top 10. That's not as much of a slump as you imply IMO.
        • mythz8 minutes ago
          Sure he's still one of the top players, but he's not as strong this year and OP is suggesting he still has an edge against the GOAT, who this year:

          - Has won Freestyle WC

          - Has won SCC

          - Has won 2x Titled Tuesday's

          - Has won a Freestyle Friday

          Hikaru can snipe a win off Magnus here and there, but I don't think there's any time control or format where he could win a long series of chess matches against Magnus.

        • FreakLegion6 minutes ago
          It isn't a slump at all, really. He had his first kid in December. He's preparing for the Candidates in March. Weekly chess.com tournaments are just, you know, going to be relegated to streaming content for a bit.
    • traes2 hours ago
      Candidates prep and also the entire Freestyle chess experiment has been a bit of a mess. Here's what he told chess.com[0]:

      A few months ago I was invited to the first leg of the 2026 Freestyle Tour with the same format and prize fund. I let everyone know that I'd be playing there.

      Just a few days ago I received news that there will be no year-long tour for Freestyle. The format for the only event to be held will be only three days and only rapid formats. Instead of the tour that was planned, Freestyle has joined forces with FIDE and are now calling it a World Championship. I think it might hold the record for most rushed arrangement for a World Championship title in history.

      I truly enjoyed the first event in Weissenhaus in 2025, and it's a shame that the classical length format wasn't continued. Furthermore, this all feels like a hastily arranged tournament with less than 1/3rd the prize fund it originally had, and now it's attached to FIDE, which isn't a positive development in my opinion.

      Despite many phone calls and messages from the organizer, I have decided to decline my slot in this event. I have an important tournament in the end of March/April to focus on, and that is where my attention will be.

      [0] https://www.chess.com/news/view/freestyle-chess-fide-world-c...

    • Davidzheng44 minutes ago
      I think it's because he has a young child too. But I don't think there's an edge.
    • hibikiran hour ago
      It's a very short, 3 day event: You have Fabi sitting right there in second place, and I don't think anyone is more focused on the candidates than he is.

      Hikaru is getting older too, and it shows: I don't think he has a freestyle edge at all.

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  • throwpoaster3 hours ago
    Do the engines have a similar edge in Fischer Random and regular chess?
    • Marsymars2 hours ago
      I'd expect them to have a larger edge in chess960 because humans can't prep openings like in regular chess.
      • josephgan hour ago
        Do modern chess AIs do any form of opening prep? Like, do they bake any opening analysis into their engines? Or is it all pure search?
        • Taekan hour ago
          Yes modern AIs have an entire opening database and generally have cached the first 20+ moves of the game (for most common openings) from a database of very deep searches identifying the best move. This is absolutely a form of opening prep for AIs.

          That said, even without that database a modern AI will completely topple the best human at every common chess variant. Humans cannot defeat modern AIs in chess like games.

      • umanwizard28 minutes ago
        But machines also can’t use opening prep like they do in normal chess.
    • umanwizard27 minutes ago
      Engines never lose or draw against unassisted humans. Any modern chess engine, if it plays 100 games against any human (even magnus), will have a record of 100 wins, 0 draws, and 0 losses. This is true both in standard chess and Chess960.
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    • eterm4 hours ago
      You might be surprised how little money there is in chess.
      • HardwareLust4 hours ago
        Total purse was $300k, Magnus got $100k of that for winning.
        • 295fge3 hours ago
          Which confirms the point, right?
          • bmacho3 hours ago
            It's not chess but a variant. Maybe it has ~10-100 times less viewer base.
            • traesan hour ago
              I suspect Magnus draws a similar level of attention regardless, it's probably closer to half the viewer base
            • thatswrong03 hours ago
              I wish it was more popular - it’s more enjoyable to watch and play since it’s not nearly as much prep / memorization
          • HardwareLust3 hours ago
            100%.
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