There is very real opportunism and profiteering among those advocating and providing this "solution." But they didn't create the months of waiting that normal folk have to see routine specialists or PCPs.
At the very least, they can get instructions on how to do first aid and when to go to the emergency room.
I remember talking to friends who were well-meaning but panicked about the ACA being passed because the system would be inundated with people seeking healthcare, and that it would lead to Soviet-style rationing. The rationing hasn't come from any five-year plan or the like, but simply the supply of doctors not keeping up with the demands of a growing population.
The actual limiting factor is federally funded residency positions which are funded by CMMS, and were artificially capped by the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 during a widespread climate of financial austerity after Gingrich had led Republicans to retake the House in 1994 for the first time in decades.
At the time, AMA apparently did release a report that included support for reducing the number of residency slots, so that detail is correct. But the decision wasn't made by them, and federal healthcare spending was already on the chopping block (and was a politically attractive area to make cuts given the Clinton's administration failed healthcare reform proposal).
As early as 2006 [4], the AMA started releasing policy position statements requesting caps on federal funding to be increased, but it wasn't until the CARES ACT in 2020 that Congress funded 1000 new CMMS funded slots were funded (but limited to small gradual increases each year) and started to be implemented in 2021-2022. And they continue to advocate for increases that so far haven't been adopted.
So while there's a kernel of inarguable truth that the AMA and other medical professional groups did support certain caps back in 1997, it has always been, then and now, a policy decision by Congress. With the motivation to set limits driven by concern over federal healthcare spending inflating budget expenditures.
But it makes for a simpler, emotionally resonant narrative of a shadowy self-interested group pulling the strings at the expense of the public (that also conveniently redirects outrage away from the people actually empowered to fix the problem, or that federal spending is a crucial lever to fix the problem).
[1] https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/ama-press-releases/ama...
[2] https://washingtonian.com/2020/04/13/were-short-on-healthcar...
[3] https://www.openhealthpolicy.com/p/medical-residency-slots-c...
I was watching an interview of one of the white parents who opposed bussing in Boston in the 70s. He said something along the lines of, "We worked hard for new neighborhood schools and facilities, it was unfair that our kids couldn't go to them." Well, didn't the black parents work hard to get their kids access to a quality education? Of course. The next person interviewed was a black mother who quit her job so that she could work at the school her children attended, to make sure that they were safe.
It turns out that she opposed bussing, too; the goal of the black parents' lawsuits hadn't been bussing per se, but equitable access to resources. The government had engaged in malicious compliance: rather than keep all kids, regardless of race, at newly-improved neighborhood schools, they opted for a "solution" that only solved the problem on a surface level, and which was sure to draw ire, knowing that this rage could eventually justify walking back the changes. Look at Boston school demographics today; they achieved their aim.
To your "well-meaning" friends - and to everyone caught up in this type of situation - I ask you to think deeply about who is the actual bad actor. It's usually not the person that the wealthy or powerful or influential or "professional" are telling you want to take something from you. You have to actually be well-meaning to see through that smokescreen, though, and not just zealously self-interested.
let them..
It's not my choice to make someone understand what's best for an individual or as a group. Let them make these decisions, and learn for themselves. Will this cause issues where I am at risk of getting measles? Or that kids could get sick over non pasteurized milk? yes, but we're back in a place where people have to feel the pain.
That's not to judge, or belittle or put anyone down. There's people who have views and values that conflict and that's OK.. Even if it's not the best for us a whole.
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Healthcare is a necessary service. The healthy foods website that RFK Jr set up was recently in the news for describing the "best foods to put up your ass". That's the technology that's being advocated for here. There's no quality bar. There's no regulation on accuracy. It's almost certainly the case that if you meet with an AI avatar, you couldn't sue its operator for medical malpractice.
The issue, fundamentally, isn't that you're giving people a choice. It's that this will be the only choice. If healthcare companies don't need to open offices in rural locations, they won't. Even if you're fine with this technology, it'll quickly become the case that it's the only option many people have regardless of whether they want it or not.
I read a thread of stories today about people's parents using technology. One person's mom tried searching for energy drink ingredients and accidentally registered her house as a business on Google Maps. These are the people who are suddenly going to have to interface with an AI avatar about their health. We're replacing medical professionals with a glorified phone tree with RAG search. It's literally going to kill people who don't have a choice.
I've come to the place where every time we think we have solved a problem, we may not have and have created a new tree of problems.
I am one of those knuckle heads that decided to give carnivore diet a try, and my wife and I have had amazing results on a number of metrics. We were also not even eating junk food or that much processed food.
The sheer complexity of how we live demands humility, and in many ways the skeptics have valids point in many ways.
I look to the Amish, for example, as a way that probably not that bad to live considering how much of the modern world has problems.
At core, some people choose to be experiments, and some decide to the control. This is the reality I believe, and this is how the whole remains robust over the long term.
The Hacker News casual misanthropy bubbles up to the top yet again.
Instead of trying to use your hacker instincts to find a solution you're just got to rest on your heels and let people suffer? What a waste of talent this represents.
The solution is to regulate insurance companies so these communities could actually afford healthcare and expand social programs for rural areas.
AI produced this: https://nexivibe.com/future.mental.health.web/index.html
I can't argue with the urgency. I then had claude produce a prompt based on this that I could feed Grok as a project to do therapy, and the result was shockingly good.
Obviously, Dr. Oz is going to be a political lightning rod for some people, but if you factor that out and try using AI for therapy... this is coming. This is happening right now.
Tesla fsd was the same thing. You needed to have people to try it. Some paid for it with their lives. Will it make progress, sure. Do I want to be the one that dies to make that progress? No
My point still stands though. They definitely mess things up. At the very least LLMs can be an additional tool that doesn't have the subjective bias, the cost issue, or lack of time/desire to investigate deeper or listen to the patient.
EDIT: LLMs would be better if they could access case data. Maybe that's something to consider (anonymized).
I will tell you this, using AI is better than using HN and random people who don't know me. I had the best technical conversation of my entire life with AI. I feel like I can handle it, and maybe I will dive into AI psychosis at some point. who knows!
I can say that it is better than the silence I've had for years from no community giving two shits about what I wanted to build. I can admit the number of mistakes I've made, but at a certain point - enough is enough.
It sounds like you were lacking community, then went deeper into isolation.
I just came to many observations about myself and AI has helped process so many emotions that I would never share with another human.
> Marcus. He is twenty-eight and did two tours in Iraq. He has nightmares four to five nights a week. He drinks to fall asleep. His girlfriend left because she couldn't live with someone who woke up swinging. He tried therapy three times. The first therapist was a civilian who asked how combat made him feel. The second used Cognitive Processing Therapy but sessions were every two weeks, and when she said “trauma narrative,” his chest closed. The third was private practice, $160 a session. Marcus started to describe what happened in the house in Mosul — the one with the family in the back room — and the therapist's face changed. A microexpression, less than a second. Marcus caught it. He stopped talking. He never went back. The 73% problem, made human. Marcus has things inside him that are killing him slowly, and he has never found a room safe enough to say them. Not because the therapists were bad. Because the therapists were human, and the things Marcus needs to say are the things that change how a human looks at you.
More details here: https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-ancient-greek-tragedies-...
P.S. Almost every time I hear discussions about veterans and PTSD, the veterans say something like "having a therapist be someone who is ALSO a veteran and has seen combat is worth a million points"
(I'm sure there are therapists who are excellent and are not veterans, just pointing out what the veterans value).
It is full of text that is hard to decipher as being meaningful in any way, and that has unfortunately been true of LLMs for a long time, they are great at bullshitting.
Yet, to determine if the content makes any sense takes a substantial effort, an effort I am highly confident you did not do.
Still, I believe you're right, this will be enough. This will be "not everything you read on the Internet is true" x1000.
The email he wrote in October 2019 is especially odd. He reached out to FBI wanting information on interviews of victims. FBI blew him off. (EFTA00037405) Between the lines, this really reads to me like he wants to know if anybody accused him. Someone on an internal email said not to tell Oz anything about the meeting. (EFTA00037407)
He met with Epstein on 1/1/16. (EFTA02476629) I believe the meeting was initiated by Oz.
It's amazing how, no matter how dramatic the breakthroughs are, people will still totally fail to understand the concept and can't even extrapolate correctly to N+1.
There's absolutely nothing fundamental about current AI tech it that limits it from reading facial expressions and tone of voice and even body language to the extent it can see it. And then, already there are studies showing that patients find AI responses more empathetic than actual doctors. There's a big question whether people will accept it such empathy as genuine, but my money is on people attaching to these things like crazy.
Is that something we should cultivate in our society? Being emotionally attached to balls of linear algebra controlled by massive corporations?
Our elites care so little for us that they won't even bother to send real people, just a sop to tell us to shut up.
Expectations rise with the level of development. No excuses in America.
1. an AI cannot effectively deliver on its own.
2. requires physical testing and actual facilities rather than just prescriptions.
If it works for the workers, ...
But you're kidding yourself. The whole world, including India has a doctor shortage AND is choosing not to train new medical doctors (frankly: especially India, they're not good about this). If flying to India helps, it'll be temporary.
Oh and having AI do healthcare goes squarely into what AIs are really bad at: adversarial planning. Your doctor is more like a judge: depending on the situation, it's your doctor's job to push (and occasionally force) you to take certain decisions, AND to sometimes push and force the government to take decisions like the COVID lockdown.
Does anyone think for a second Trump will allow for these AIs to be programmed to order him to lock down the country if the situation requires it? Or does he demand they just lie about the situation. I feel like we've seen the answer to this one.
"Turns out the statistically best choice for prediabetes for your patient group is to rely more heavily on soft drinks, but only in wild outbursts punctuated by fasting!"