345 pointsby robin_reala7 hours ago25 comments
  • anthonj5 hours ago
    I have very strong, probably controversial, feeling on arstechnica, but I believe the acquisition from Condé Nast has been a tragedy.

    Ars writers used to be actual experts, sometimes even phd level, on technical fields. And they used to write fantastical and very informative articles. Who is left now?

    There are still a couple of good writers from the old guard and the occasional good new one, but the website is flooded with "tech journalist", claiming to be "android or Apple product experts" or stuff like that, publishing articles that are 90% press material from some company and most of the times seems to have very little technical knowledge.

    They also started writing product reviews that I would not be surprised to find out being sponsored, given their content.

    Also what's the business with those weirdly formatted articles from wired?

    Still a very good website but the quality is diving.

    • phyzome2 hours ago
      It gets pretty bad at times. Here's one of the most mindlessly uncritical pieces I've seen, which seems to be a press release from Volkswagen: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/03/volkswagen-unveils-sedr... Look at the image captions gushing about the "roomy interior" of a vehicle that doesn't even exist! I actually wrote in to say how disappointed I was in this ad/press release material, and the response was "That was not a VW ad and we were not paid by VW for that or any other story". I find it interesting that they only denied the ad part, not the press release part...

      As I mention in another comment, https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/01/exclusive-volvo-tells-u... is in a similar vein.

      • dylan60440 minutes ago
        "I'm a professional shopper, and here's what I say you should buy" because someone sent me a free version of it or just straight copy to use in my listicle.

        It is sad that this is what journalism has come to. It is even sadder that it works.

        • bsimpson35 minutes ago
          Wirecutter was a good premise, but now it and everyone copying it are untrustworthy.

          It feels like the human version of AI hallucination: saying what they think is convincing without regard for if it's sincere. And because it mimics trusted speech, it can slip right by your defense mechanisms.

          • dylan60417 minutes ago
            Any good idea will be copied by those with lesser motives.
      • lokaran hour ago
        I'm willing to believe it was not an ad.

        They are just lazy / understaffed. It's hard to make $ in journalism. A longstanding and popular way to cut corners is to let the industry you cover do most of the work for you. You just re-package press releases. You have plausible content for a fraction of the effort / cost.

        • dylan60442 minutes ago
          Unfortunately, government is like that were most bills are written by lobbyists and barely if at all modified by the actual congress critter sponsoring it.
          • lokar28 minutes ago
            I think that's much more common in state government (in the US).

            Most bill in the US Congress are not actually meant to pass, they are just (often poorly written) PR stunts.

      • ktm5jan hour ago
        That car looks so unhappy :|
    • tapoxi4 hours ago
      > I have very strong, probably controversial, feeling on arstechnica, but I believe the acquisition from Condé Nast has been a tragedy.

      For the curious, this acquisition was 18 years ago.

      • airstrike2 hours ago
        God, I didn't need to know that
    • mbreese2 hours ago
      I think the fact that they one of the last places surviving from that generation of the Internet says a lot. The Condé Nast acquisition may have been a tragedy, but they managed to survive for this long. They’ve been continuously publishing online for about 30 years. It’s honestly amazing that they’ve managed to last this long.

      Yes, it’s very different than it was back in the day. You don’t see 20+ page reviews of operating systems anymore, but I still think it’s a worthwhile place to visit.

      Trying to survive in this online media market has definitely taken a toll. This current mistake makes me sad.

      • krull1025 minutes ago
        Their review of MacOS 26 is 79 pages when downloaded as a pdf, so they still sometimes have in depth articles. But I agree that that level of detail isn’t as common as in the past.
    • BruceEel26 minutes ago
      A tragedy, yes. I can't be the only old fart around here with fond memories of John Siracusa's macOS ("OS X") reviews & Jon "Hannibal" Stokes' deep dives in CPU microarchitectures...
      • herodoturtle22 minutes ago
        Certainly not the only old fart ‘round these parts.

        Your comment reminded me of Dr Dobbs Journal for some reason.

        • guiambros12 minutes ago
          Dr Dobbs was pretty good until almost the end, no? If memory serves me well, I recall the magazine got thinner and more sparse towards the end, but still high signal-to-noise ratio. Quite the opposite of Ars T.

          Huge debt of gratitude to DDJ. I remember taking the bus to the capital every month just to buy the magazine on the newsstand.

    • somenameforme40 minutes ago
      They are basically the embodiment of the fact that sites and organizations don't matter, but individuals do. I think the overwhelming majority of everything on Ars is garbage. But on the other hand they also run Eric Berger's space column [1] which is certainly one of the best ones out there. So don't ignore those names on tops of articles. If you find something informative, well sourced, and so on - there's a good chance most their other writing is of a similar standard.

      [1] - https://arstechnica.com/author/ericberger/

    • GeekyBearan hour ago
      > publishing articles that are 90% press material from some company and most of the times seems to have very little technical knowledge.

      Unfortunately, this is my impression as well.

      I really miss Anandtech's reporting, especially their deep dives and performance testing for new core designs.

      • zdwan hour ago
        The main problem with technology coverage is you have one of 3 types of writers in the space:

        1. Prosumer/enthusiasts who are somewhat technical, but mostly excitement

        2. People who have professional level skills and also enjoy writing about it

        3. Companies who write things because they sell things

        A lot of sites are in category 1 - mostly excitement/enthusiasm, and feels.

        Anandtech, TechReport, and to some extent Arstechnica (specially John Siracusa's OS X reviews) are the rare category 2.

        Category 3 are things like the Puget Systems blog where they benchmark hardware, but also sell it, and it functions more as a buyer information.

        The problem is that category 2 is that they can fairly easily get jobs in industry that pay way more than writing for a website. I'd imagine that when Anand joined Apple, this was likely the case, and if so that makes total sense.

    • embedding-shape4 hours ago
      > Ars writers used to be actual experts, sometimes even phd level, on technical fields. And they used to write fantastical and very informative articles. Who is left now?

      What places on the internet remains where articles are written by actual experts? I know only of a few, and they get fewer every year.

      • rfc23244 hours ago
        https://theconversation.com/us/who-we-are is one of my favorites. Global academics writing about their research when something happens in the world or when they are published in a journal.
        • rdmuser3 hours ago
          One other thing people might like about the conversation is that it has a bunch of regional subsections so it isn't overrun by US news like a lot of news sites. Well outside the US section of course. I know I personally appreciate having another source of informed writting that also covers local factors and events.
        • dotancohenan hour ago
          That may be for the technology and science sections. But the politics section is clearly pushing an agenda with regard to the current US administration - even though it is an agenda many people online might agree with. That section is not global, it is US-centric, and it heavily favours the popular side of the issue.
          • lokaran hour ago
            You prefer a "both sides" style of political coverage?

            At what point in the slide to authoritarianism should that stop? Where is the line?

            • dylan60437 minutes ago
              Or the other side of at what point into ending capitalism in favor of socialism should that stop?

              Yes, I enjoy "both sides" coverage when it's done in earnest. What passes for that today is two people representing the extremes of either spectrum looking for gotcha moments as an "owning" moment. We haven't seen a good "both sides" in decades

              • lokar29 minutes ago
                I see the capitalism vs socialism as a spectrum with valid debate all along it.

                I don't see how one honestly argues in favor of an authoritarian government

                • dylan60415 minutes ago
                  Ahh, you must be using the rational definition of socialism and not the extremist corrupted use as cover for dictators.
                • somenameforme9 minutes ago
                  I do not believe the current US government is authoritarian, but I think there are perfectly viable arguments in favor of genuine authoritarian systems. It all comes down to one's view on centralization vs decentralization. Decentralized systems will never be utopias, or even remotely close, because there will always be enough people doing dumb things to make sure something's going wrong somewhere. On the other hand, they will also never be dystopias because there will always be enough people going good things to makes sure the worst of society is somewhat kept in check.

                  A centralized system under intelligent, socially motivated, and extremely capable leadership is going to be capable of creating something about as close to a utopia as we can. On the other hand, a centralized system with self centered, foolish/myopic, corrupt, or just generally incapable leadership is going to be no less capable of creating a dystopia, whether by intent or even accident.

                  So if you believe that a governmental system can promote the best of society - then authoritarianism certainly has some draw. On the other hand if you think political systems are doomed to leave us picking between a corrupt idiot with dementia, and a narcissistic reality tv silver spooner, sooner or later, then you probably flavor more decentralized systems - with libertarianism being at the extreme end there.

          • throawayonthean hour ago
            i don't think these are as contradictory as you make them out to be
            • dotancohenan hour ago
              I'm not pointing out a contradiction. I am pointing out that this site - which otherwise seems great - it heavily promoting the popular-online side of a very controversial subject.

              It looks like they know how to grow an audience at the expense of discourse, because those adherent to the popular-online side will heavily attack all publications that discuss the other side. Recognising this, it is hard to seriously consider their impartiality in other fields. It's very much the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.

              "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."

              -Michael Crichton

              • embedding-shape20 minutes ago
                > - it heavily promoting the popular-online side of a very controversial subject

                Any specific examples? I took a quick browse but didn't find anything that fit what you're talking about, and what you're saying is a bit vague (maybe because I'm not from the US). Could you link a specific article and then tell us what exactly is wrong?

              • nikodunk20 minutes ago
                I really hope _this_ quote is not fabricated - because what a fantastic quote!!
      • justinclift2 hours ago
      • bloggie4 hours ago
        techbriefs, photonics spectra, photonics focus, EAA Sport Aviation? I don't think it's going to be anything super popular, to become popular you have to appeal to a broad audience. But in niches there is certainly very high quality material. It also won't be (completely) funded by advertising.
      • hobs2 hours ago
      • ycombinete2 hours ago
        The London review of Books frequently has domain experts writing their reviews.
      • Levitating3 hours ago
        lwn.net?
      • lapcat4 hours ago
        > What places on the internet remains where articles are written by actual experts?

        The personal blogs of experts.

    • elgertam2 hours ago
      I used to read it daily. Even continued for a few years after the acquisition. But at this point, I haven't looked at it in years. Even tend to skip the articles that make it to the first page of HN. Of course, most of the original writers I still follow on social media, and some have started their own Substack publications.
    • foobarbecue3 hours ago
      I presume you meant "fantastic," not "fantastical"?
      • Insanity2 hours ago
        Wanted to comment the same. Parent poster might not be aware that “fantastical” means “fantasy”.

        But I think we do get his point regardless :)

    • airstrike2 hours ago
      I got banned for calling out the shilling back right after the acquisition. Apparently that was a personal attack on the quality of the author. It's gone downhill from there. I used to visit it every day, now I mostly forget it exists
    • episode4044 hours ago
      > they used to write fantastical and very informative articles

      > Still a very good website

      These are indeed quite controversial opinions on ars.

      • ReptileMan4 hours ago
        Culture was is helluva drug. The desire of the authors to pledge political allegiance when they don't have the capacity to think of nothing original or innovative on a topic gets tiring fast. In a way Gawker won - now every media outlet is them.
    • idiotsecant5 hours ago
      Oh yes, quite a controversial take.
      • anthonj5 hours ago
        Well I am calling out an entire class of journalist. Every time I've made a similar statement I got some angry answer (or got my post hidden or removed).
  • lukan5 hours ago
    The context here is this story, an AI Agent publishs a hit piece on the Matplotlib maintainer.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

    And the story from ars about it was apparently AI generated and made up quotes. Race to the bottom?

    • everdrive5 hours ago
      Ars has been going downhill for sometime now. I think it's difficult for a lot of these bigger publishers to be anything other than access journalism and advertising. I'm not saying Ars is fully there yet, but the pull is strong.
      • acdha10 minutes ago
        The bigger story is the way tech companies sucked the oxygen out of journalism. This started with capturing a growing chunk of ad revenue but then became editorial control as everyone started picking headlines, writing styles, and publication schedules to please the tech companies which control whether they receive 80% of their traffic.

        Everyone writes like Buzzfeed now because Twitter and Facebook made that the most profitable; Google/Twitter/Facebook need a constant stream of new links and incentivize publishing rapidly rather than in-depth; and Facebook severely damaged many outfits with the fraudulent pivot to video pretending they’d start paying more.

        Many of the problems we see societally stem back to people not paying for media, leaving the information space dominated by the interest of advertisers and a few wealthy people who will pay to promote their viewpoints.

      • kethinov4 hours ago
        The comments section on Ars is particularly depressing. I've been posting there for two decades and watched it slowly devolve from a place where thoughtful discussions happened to now just being one of the worst echo chambers on the internet, like a bad subreddit. I've made suggestions over the years in their public feedback surveys to alter their forum software to discourage mob behavior, but they don't seem to be doing anything about it.
        • the_biot4 hours ago
          They don't actually publish the comments under the article, only a link. I've long suspected sites doing that are fully aware of how shit the comment section is, and try to hide it from casual viewers while keeping the nutjob gallery happy.

          Phoronix comes to mind.

          • mbreese3 hours ago
            This goes back a lot farther with Ars. They done this for years because their comments section is driven by forum software. The main conversations happen in the forums. They are then reformatted for a the comment view.

            So, their main goal wasn’t to hide the comments, but push people to forums where there is a better format for conversation.

            At least that’s how it used to work.

          • Sharlin3 hours ago
            Most mainstream news sites around here have by now hidden the comment section somehow, either making it folded by default or just moving it to the bottom of the page below "related news" sections and the like.
        • bsimpson32 minutes ago
          I can say that to a certain degree about Hacker News too.

          Still often good comments here, but certain topics devolve into a bad subreddit quickly. The ethos of the rules hasn't scaled with the site.

        • g947o3 hours ago
          Hard agree. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/06/meta-debuts-playstati... is an example I remember. The subject matter of the is not controversial (just another Game Pass like subscription), but the comment section is full of -- yes you've guessed it -- Meta BAD! There is absolutely no meaningful discussion of the service itself.

          I mostly stopped paying attention to the comment section after that, and Ars in general.

          • acdha2 minutes ago
            Philosophically I want to agree with you more but Meta is the informational equivalent of RJ Reynolds. They’ve facilitated crime waves (remember all of the hand-wringing about shoplifting which died down when the government went after Facebook marketplace and Amazon?), supported genocide, and elevated some of the worst voices in the world. Giving them more money and social control is a risk which should be discussed.
          • murderfs3 hours ago
            You see the same sort of thing around here with people complaining about the death of Google Reader on anything that even vaguely mentions Google.
            • wizzwizz43 hours ago
              I don't see that.
              • stavrosan hour ago
                You know what else I don't see? Google Reader, because Google killed it!
        • raddan3 hours ago
          The switch to their newest forum software seems to discourage any kind of actual conversation. If I recall correctly, the last iteration was also unthreaded, but somehow it was easier for a back-and-forth to develop. Now it is basically just reactions-- like YouTube comments (which, ironically, is actually threaded).

          Is HN really the last remaining forum for science and technology conversations? If so... very depressing.

          • JohnnyMarconean hour ago
            lobste.rs is smaller but can have good discussion.
          • badgersnakean hour ago
            > Is HN really the last remaining forum for science and technology conversations?

            Honestly, HN isn’t very good anymore either. The internet is basically all trolling, bots and advertising. Often all at once.

            Oh and scams, there’s also scams.

        • mikkupikku2 hours ago
          Try reading Slashdot these days and it's the same story. I stopped reading regularly when cmdrtaco left but still check in occasionally out of misplaced nostalgia or something.. The comment section is like a time capsule from the 00s, the same ideas and arguments have been echoing back and forth there for years, seemingly losing soul and nuance with each echo. Bizarre, and sad.
          • dotancohenan hour ago
            I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter, you insensitive clod.
        • kotaKat3 hours ago
          They should get rid of the fairly extremely prominent badges of years-on-the-forum and number-of-comments. Maybe that'd help quell some of the echo down, because every comment section on Ars articles is 10+ year old accounts all arguing with each other.
        • hed3 hours ago
          I can only conclude it’s what they want at this point
        • archerx4 hours ago
          Yea but doing that would decrease engagement and engagement is the only metric that matters! /s
        • ifwinterco3 hours ago
          Yeah it's like a rogues' gallery of terminally online midwits over there
      • embedding-shape4 hours ago
        > I think it's difficult for a lot of these bigger publishers to be anything other than access journalism and advertising

        Maybe this is exactly the issue? Every news company is driven like a for-profit business that has to grow and has to make the owners more money, maybe this is just fundamentally incompatible with actual good journalism and news?

        Feels like there are more and more things that have been run in the typical capitalistic fashion, yet the results always get worse the more they lean into it, not just news but seems widespread in life.

  • Kwpolska5 hours ago
    The story is credited to Benj Edwards and Kyle Orland. I've filtered out Edwards from my RSS reader a long time ago, his writing is terrible and extremely AI-enthusiastic. No surprise he's behind an AI-generated story.
    • christkv5 hours ago
      Is he even a real person I wonder
      • morkalorkan hour ago
        He was murdered on a Condé Nast corporate retreat and they have been using an AI in his likeness to write articles ever since!
    • tocitadel4 hours ago
      Also filtered out the following slop generators from my RSS feed, which significantly enhanced my reading experience:

      Jonathan M. Gitlin

      Ashley Belanger

      Jon Brodkin

      I wonder how soon I will be forced to whitelist only a handful of seasoned authors.

      • stavrosan hour ago
        > I wonder how soon I will be forced to whitelist only a handful of seasoned authors.

        Twenty years ago?

  • gertrunde35 minutes ago
    Current response from one of the more senior Ars folk:

    https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/journalistic-standards...

    (Paraphrasing: Story pulled over potentially breaching content policies, investigating, update after the weekend-ish.)

  • WarmWashan hour ago
    This is fascinating because Ars has probably _the most_ anti-AI readership of the tech publications. If the author did use AI to generate the story (or even help) their will be rioting for sure

    The original story for those curious

    https://web.archive.org/web/20260213194851/https://arstechni...

  • CodeCompost2 hours ago
    Oh my goodness. I hope the Matplotlib maintainer is holding it together, must be terrible for him. It's like being run over by press car after having an accident.
  • renegade-otter27 minutes ago
    Ars still has some of the best comment sections out there. It's refreshing to hang with intelligent, funny people - just like the good old days on the Web.
  • barredo4 hours ago
    archive of the deleted article https://mttaggart.neocities.org/ars-whoopsie
  • barbazooan hour ago
    I use AI in my work too but this would be akin to vibe coding, no test coverage, straight to prod. AI aside, this is just unprofessional.
  • shantara5 hours ago
    Already being discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949
    • arduanika3 hours ago
      This error by Ars is a whole new layer on top of that story.
      • latexr26 minutes ago
        Look again, that post already includes the Ars story (near the top).
      • tempodoxan hour ago
        It’s extremely generous to call deliberate slop generation an error.
  • crims0n3 hours ago
    I used to go to Ars daily, loved them... but at some point during the last 5 years or so they decided to lean into politics and that's when they lost me. I understand a technology journal will naturally have some overlap with politics, but they don't even try to hide the agenda anymore.
    • beepy2 hours ago
      Perhaps it’s because politics have “leaned in” to the topics they cover, like the FCC, NASA, the FDA, and EVs.
    • lexicality3 hours ago
      I'm curious as to what their agenda is? I don't read it very often but I've not noticed anything overt. Could you give me any examples? I'd love to know more.
      • aqrit2 hours ago
        _Daily_ hit pieces on Elon Musk (or Musk companies), going for something like a decade. These have petered out somewhat since he left DOGE. But they started way back before he should have had that much notoriety.
        • sidibe2 hours ago
          They were rightfully been calling out the grift at Tesla. On the SpaceX front they've been his biggest cheerleader (even dismissing other stories like the sexual harrassment)
      • crims0n2 hours ago
        I got tired of reading about Trump and Elon.
        • beej71an hour ago
          I'm also trying to understand. The agenda is to publish about Trump and Elon? Is that correct?
          • crims0nan hour ago
            The agenda is to highlight when Trump and Elon blunder but ignore neutral or positive stories. Go to the front page right now and look at the articles, I see four mentioning Trump that are negatively charged. That isn't to say any one article is untrue, but hard to miss the curated pattern
            • bsimpson27 minutes ago
              Honest question: has he done anything you think warrants good press?

              I too quickly grew tired of the constant doomerism in his first term, but this one seems to be unmitigatedly terrible.

        • aqrit2 hours ago
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      • gdulli3 hours ago
        "Agenda" has become code for "ideas I don't agree with", used by people who mistakenly believe it (politics) can be compartmentalized from other everyday topics and only trotted out at election time.
        • crims0n2 hours ago
          I disagree. Agendas are real things. Just because they have one, doesn't mean it is inherently bad or even a disagreeable position... but some people just don't like to be "sold to", regardless of the topic.
          • jfengel35 minutes ago
            I'm afraid both are true. And they often go hand in hand. Often, someone calling out an agenda is doing so to sell theirs. (See also "ideology", which is often treated as a synonym.)
        • GlacierFox7 minutes ago
          For some people perhaps. For me personally, I find some sites purposefully interject their 'agenda', either left or right into their journalism to the detriment of the piece. You're not going to a get a truely subjective view on things anywhere but some places are skewed to the point that you can't tell if vital information is being witheld or under reported.
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    • input_sh2 hours ago
      Why should they? There's no such thing as "unbiased journalism", I prefer those that are more open about their politics than those that are poorly trying to hide it.
      • crims0n2 hours ago
        They shouldn't. They are free to do whatever they want, I am not judging them. I just don't enjoy it anymore so I no longer visit the site.
  • g947o3 hours ago
    I am finding less value in reading Ars:

    * They are often late in reporting a story. This is fine for what Ars is, but that means by the time they publish a story, I have likely read the reporting and analysis elsewhere already, and whatever Ars has to say is stale

    * There seem to be fewer long stories/deep investigations recently when competitors are doing more (e.g. Verge's brilliant reporting on Supernatural recently)

    * The comment section is absolutely abysmal and rarely provides any value or insight. It maybe one of the worst echo chambers that is not 4chan or a subreddit, full of (one-sided) rants and whining without anything constructive that is often off topic. I already know what people will be saying there without opening the comment section, and I'm almost always correct. If the story has the word "Meta" anywhere in the article, you can be sure someone will say "Meta bad" in the comment, even if Meta is not doing anything negative or even controversial in the story. Disagree? Your comment will be downvoted to -100.

    These days I just glance over the title, and if there is anything I haven't read about from elsewhere, I'll read the article and be done with it. And I click their articles much less frequently these days. I wonder if I should stop reading it completely.

    • raddan3 hours ago
      There are still a few authors worth reading on Ars. Beth Mole has a loyal following for a reason-- her stories are interesting, engaging, and never fail to make me squirm with horror. Jonathan Gitlin has a tendency to drop into the forum to snipe at comments he does not like, and I have no interest in supercars, but by and large his automobile reporting is interesting. And if you like anything rocket related, Eric Berger is clearly passionate about the industry. There are a few other folks who are hit-or-miss like most journalists. I've found that Benj is mostly misses, and although I am always interested in what John Timmer writes about, I cannot seem to interpret his writing style. In general I skip the syndicated articles from Wired, etc, because they are either "nothings" or bad.
      • phyzome2 hours ago
        Here's a recent Jonathan Gitlin piece that I found particularly egregious: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/01/exclusive-volvo-tells-u...

        Absolutely zero discussion of why this might be a bad idea. It's not journalism, it's advertising.

      • g947o2 hours ago
        I think Dan Goodin sometimes writes deep analysis of security attacks, although his recent articles len towards surface level news stories that you can find everywhere.
    • mortsnort11 minutes ago
      They also have a strange obsession with stories about vaccines, rare scary ailments, and child porn. I suppose these topics get them good engagement, but not something I want to read about (constantly) on a tech blog.
    • blactuary2 hours ago
      Some companies have enough of a track record that they should be nuked from orbit, and "Company bad" is all that is worth saying. Meta is one of those companies. Palantir is another. Not holding them accountable and acting as if we should continue engaging with their products is part of the reason we are rapidly sliding towards dystopia
    • coldpie3 hours ago
      The Verge is definitely on the upswing right now. I started a paid subscription to them earlier this year.
    • xvector3 hours ago
      the Ars comment section is truly a cesspit, I'm surprised the site seems okay with leaving it like that.

      Verge comments aren't much better either. Perhaps this is just the nature of comment sections, it brings out the most extreme people

  • growingswe4 hours ago
    This is embarrassing :/
  • BoredPositron34 minutes ago
    Finally time to get rid of them and delete the RSS feed. It was more nostalgia anyways the last 7 years showed a steady decline.
  • coldpie3 hours ago
    I would like to give a small defense of Benj Edwards. While his coverage on Ars definitely has a positive spin on AI, his comments on social media are much less fawning. Ars is a tech-forward publication, and it is owned by a major corporation. Major corporations have declared LLMs to be the best thing since breathable air, and anyone who pushes back on this view is explicitly threatened with economic destitution via the euphemism "left behind." There's not a lot of paying journalism jobs out there, and people gotta eat, hence the perhaps more positive spin on AI from this author than is justified.

    All that said, this article may get me to cancel the Ars subscription that I started in 2010. I've always thought Ars was one of the better tech news publications out there, often publishing critical & informative pieces. They make mistakes, no one is perfect, but this article goes beyond bad journalism into actively creating new misinformation and publishing it as fact on a major website. This is actively harmful behavior and I will not pay for it.

    Taking it down is the absolute bare minimum, but if they want me to continue to support them, they need to publish a full explanation of what happened. Who used the tool to generate the false quotes? Was it Benj, Kyle, or some unnamed editor? Why didn't that person verify the information coming out of the tool that is famous for generating false information? How are they going to verify information coming out of the tool in the future? Which previous articles used the tool, and what is their plan to retroactively verify those articles?

    I don't really expect them to have any accountability here. Admitting AI is imperfect would result in being "left behind," after all. So I'll probably be canceling my subscription at my next renewal. But maybe they'll surprise me and own up to their responsibility here.

    This is also a perfect demonstration of how these AI tools are not ready for prime time, despite what the boosters say. Think about how hard it is for developers to get good quality code out of these things, and we have objective ways to measure correctness. Now imagine how incredibly low quality the journalism we will get from these tools is. In journalism correctness is much less black-and-white and much harder to verify. LLMs are a wildly inappropriate tool for journalists to be using.

    • the8472an hour ago
      Looks they're gonna investigate and perhaps post something next week. https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/journalistic-standards...
      • mikestew31 minutes ago
        Yeah, “we just made shit up in an article, destroying trust in our publication, but we will get around to investigating when we have a little free time in the next week or so.”

        No, you just shipped the equivalent to a data-destroying bug: it’s all-hands-over-the-holiday-weekend time.

    • phyzome2 hours ago
      I believe you can go ahead and cancel your subscription now and it will only take effect at the next renewal point.

      That helps ensure you don't forget, and sends the signal more immediately.

      • robin_reala2 hours ago
        There’s also a free text field for you to say why you’re cancelling.
    • actinium2262 hours ago
      Kind of funny that the people trusting AI too much appear to be the ones who will be left behind.
  • devin3 hours ago
    Take a look at the number of people who think vibe coding without reading the output is fine if it passes the tests who but are absolutely aghast at this.
    • Gracana3 hours ago
      How?

      I think you’re imagining that these hypocrites exist.

  • pier252 hours ago
    et tu ars technica?
  • farklenotabot3 hours ago
    Nothing new, just got caught this time.
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  • hxbdg3 hours ago
    Some of the quotations come from an edited github comment[0]. But some of them do seem to be hallucinations.

    [0] https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31132#issuecom...

  • metalman3 hours ago
    comment on the comments

    anybody else notice that the meatverse looks like it's full of groggy humans bumbling around getting there bearings after way too much of the wrong stuff consumed at a party wears off that realy wasn't fun at all. A sort of technological hybernation that has gone on way too long.

  • anonnon5 hours ago
    Does anyone know if DrPizza is still in the clink?
    • luke7273 hours ago
      Name: PETER BRIGHT

      Register Number: 76309-054

      Age: 45

      Race: White

      Sex: Male

      Release Date: 08/11/2028

      Located At: FCI Elkton

    • diabllicseagull3 hours ago
      he liked his thinkpads and uhmm some other stuff
    • jamesnorden3 hours ago
      The real PizzaGate.
  • steveBK1232 hours ago
    AI slop
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