34 pointsby ledoge3 hours ago20 comments
  • zug_zug2 hours ago
    It's funny -- about 8 years ago I remember this exact same issue came up, but the other way around. There was this guy, James Damore, basically a republican who said the diversity program was grievance politics or whatever, sent out a memo to hundreds of other employees, created a kerfuffle, ultimately was fired. He sued and retracted.

    Anyways back then I felt some sympathy for the guy, talking politics at work, because as far as I could tell he was a good-faith free-speech proponent. I even wrote a blog post about it and shared it on this site.

    However now seeing how much the tables have turned, and how little that cultural swing had to do with free speech, I feel embarrassed about my past self. It's incredibly clear to me that at most a small % of those "free speech" advocates are genuine, because I never see them speak up for the other side (like I did).

    • jazz9kan hour ago
      Honestly, why should they? People with even a hint of a non-leftist opinion have gotten fired, cancelled, and can't find jobs. Content creators were kicked off the Internet (removing many people's revenue streams) and are even now getting murdered for their opinion.

      People on the left can freely talk about murdering their opponents and other horrific things and don't ever have to worry about getting fired. I see the luigi memes all the time, and we all know what it means. Nobody is held accountable for anything.

      You've had the luxury and privilege for so long, even a small amount of push back makes you feel like you are having your speech suppressed.

      We need more crack down on free speech. When it get's bad enough for the people on the left, maybe we can come to a middle ground.

      • SirFatty41 minutes ago
        Confidently stating opinion as fact...
      • sheikhnbake6 minutes ago
        > You've had the luxury and privilege for so long

        Ah yes, the United States. Historically pro-left wing since Nixon.

  • user27222 hours ago
    Big Tech to grow required deceiving its workers into thinking they all worked together towards a new future.

    Thankfully, that veil has come down, showing it is business as usual.

    • amelius2 hours ago
      It's pretty clear now that this new future will be more like Google's AGI repressing humans.
    • hsuduebc22 hours ago
      Exactly my thoughts! Now google is not the "making a world better place" prestige place but just ordinary well paid job. Just with less cubicles. "Don't be evil" my ass.
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  • s1mplicissimus2 hours ago
    I'm surprised this kind of speech was tolerated in the first place. Tbh even if it was, I'd do the devil and speak up in a way where I'm identifiable #futurecareerprospects

    I admire the courage of the people that do it anyway though.

  • josefresco2 hours ago
    Google Defenders: "Keep politics at home!"

    Google: "Google CEO Sundar Picchai has been a fixture at the White House, attending parties and events. He oversaw Google’s $22 million donation to the White House ballroom and its $1 million donation to Trump’s inaugural fund. Brin, meanwhile, has become a Trump supporter."

  • jasonfrost2 hours ago
    Asking to leave a federal contract? Wouldn't that have downstream consequences with future potential federal contacts? If I were the customer I wouldn't give them my business of they pulled out of a federal contract because of politics
  • bigtex2 hours ago
    Does google still have employees who spend all their days in the chat rooms advocating for their lifestyle choices while on the clock?
  • y0eswddlan hour ago
    what's most disturbing rn is the number of comments implying that there's nothing political about work :?
  • bitpush3 hours ago
    What tech company allows this at workplace these days? How's Apple these days?
    • superkuh3 hours ago
      Pretty much all the big tech companies allow this. It's just that they are pro-ICE and pro-current administration in the workplace speech. Their CEOs have already bent the knee, made the tens of millions to half billions in donations to the Trump family, and expect everyone under them not to undermine their sycophancy.

      It's a real problem with the tech industry. Repeating IBM's WWII mistakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

      • Herring16 minutes ago
        As I keep saying, most US companies are run like tiny little fascist dictatorships, which is a great training ground for the real thing. Contrast eg Norway, where businesses operate inside of a formal 3-way agreement (Trepartssamarbeidet) between the government, employers associations, and trade unions.

        It's going to take probably a few rounds of fascism and many millions dead before Americans widely decide to change the fundamental nature of business.

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  • hsuduebc22 hours ago
    This getting flagged is kinda ironic
  • josefritzisherean hour ago
    Google is pro-gestapo now? They have fallen so far from "Don't be evil."
  • docdeek2 hours ago
    > “Most folks are afraid to discuss anything remotely political at work.”

    There are plenty of other places to talk politics, religion, or share personal opinions. Work is best kept for work.

    • xyproto2 hours ago
      Yes, but cencorship is also politics. What happens if someone just tries to stay apolitical and "work safe" and are still cencored? Any attempt at fighting this will be categorized as "political", "difficult" or worse.
      • dccoolgai2 hours ago
        Remember when they "censored" the guy who had the gall to write "men and women are a little different" at Google. There's an object lesson here, even if you disagreed with that guy.
    • AlecSchueler2 hours ago
      Choosing not to discuss something and being afraid to discuss something are very different in very important ways.
      • docdeekan hour ago
        I agree, though if all someone has to go on is that I stayed silent, it might be difficult to conclude whether I am uninterested, indifferent, or scared stiff.
      • decremental2 hours ago
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    • hsuduebc22 hours ago
      Doesn't mean you should be afraid to lose your job when you sign the petition tho
    • realusername2 hours ago
      Why did the Google CEO attend the Trump inauguration then? Isn't that politics?
  • abc123abc1232 hours ago
    Excellent! A company is a place to work, not do politics. I've left jobs due to overly woke colleagues who made every single meeting into a crusade against white men.

    In my current company, political discussion is forbidden, and I am very happy about that.

    People who love politics should go into politics, and leave their jobs. Plenty of public sector organizations who only talk politics for them, and peace of mind for me at a company.

    • jameskilton2 hours ago
      And you'd be happily working at IBM building "resource management" software and hardware for the Nazis because "what they do with this software is not your responsibility".

      It ain't so black-and-white, and people with this kind of mentality are what enable the atrocities we've seen in the past and are seeing today.

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  • songodongo2 hours ago
    “Sir, this is a Wendy’s.”
  • scottscambaugh3 hours ago
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  • tokai3 hours ago
    Google are not unionized at all are they? Seems like they keep trying to pull stuff like this, but its really hard to do without proper organization and representatives.
  • spacewrangler2 hours ago
    Good
  • snvzz2 hours ago
    As it should be.

    Leave politics, and the conflict it invites, at the workplace's door.

    Or go create a toxic work environment elsewhere.

    • gmerc2 hours ago
      You forgot the #hailcorporate.
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    • CuriouslyC2 hours ago
      While I'm not huge on having political discussions in the workplace, I also think employers should be accountable to their employees, and I think workplace organization to collectively express displeasure in a way that employers actually feel and are forced to respond to is 100% legit.
    • hsuduebc22 hours ago
      But that doesn't mean you should be afraid to lose your job if you sign a petition lol.