89 pointsby doener5 hours ago10 comments
  • mitchbob4 hours ago
  • timcobb2 hours ago
    I can't even imagine being such a prolific emailer, even just one liners. Damn
    • lnsru25 minutes ago
      Have about 20 emails daily, 6000 a year… obviously for 1.4 million emails more than one person is needed. And much more than one when I see all the other activities day and night going on in parallel.
    • tbossanova20 minutes ago
      Right? Obviously didn’t have enough real work to do. Idle hands make… idk, you just chill out if you don’t like rape
      • dboreham8 minutes ago
        That was his real work. He's a social network for the davos crowd.
  • stevenwooan hour ago
    There’s actually more, though the Justice Department is deleting them in real time. The Justice Department used the same filenames for pdfs and the source media so hours of surveillance video from Epstein’s last days in custody was available as well as videos from all his devices including censored child porn with some of the other pedophiles unredacted. https://old.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qx81dj/type_this_...
  • OgsyedIE4 hours ago
    Jack Blanchard in the Politico podcast (almost as good as Odd Lots if you're fine with listening to stuff at 2x speed on commutes) remarked that one of the most important aspects of the response to the publicization of the first 2% of the Epstein Files is that it may be a watershed moment where the better parts of citizen journalism have become completely competitive with institutional journalism, due heavily to the faster turnaround times of the former.

    It's hard to see conventional pipelines doing a faster job of parsing scattered mentions of rare phrases like 'jerky' across a million documents than the competitive environment of individual entrepreneurialism could.

    • RajT883 hours ago
      The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well. I had to tell a friend of mine to take a break from it.

      The level of tinfoil hat theories (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth off of which to build more theories is really something. The unfortunate thing is - in our current environment, the crazy speculation and knowingly dealing in just shit you made up seems to actually pay off when pressuring public officials.

      I am glad the files were released. A lot of people have a lot of explaining to do. I don't actually think this ends up going anywhere, but we'll see.

      • strictnein3 hours ago
        > The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well.

        I saw a video on Instagram claiming (or at least insinuating) that Epstein had access to all of Lifetouch's photos, because "the company is in the Epstein files!". Turns out, it was a single line item for $109 in what looked like banking records. In comparison, that same selection of files mentioned Whole Foods ~250 times.

        For those outside the US, Lifetouch does school photos for about half the schools in the US (or something like that) so you can understand how that's a thread that conspiracy theorists can pull on. But there's nothing there. Just a single payment to the company in a sea of thousands and thousands of normal, every day purchases.

        • nixosbestos2 hours ago
          who. fucking. cares. systematic child abuse has been covered up for decades, across multiple administrations. THE PRESIDENT IS NAMED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

          LET ME REPEAT. WHO CARES. I don't blame a single god damn person for getting wrapped up in conspiracies.

          • janalsncm2 hours ago
            There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives.

            Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.

            • dunslandsboo23 minutes ago
              Except you and everyone you agree with I'm sure
            • jrflowersan hour ago
              nixosbestos’s comment was in response to a post about how an arbitrary brand new conspiracy theory didn’t have compelling evidence in the emails. It seems like saying “who cares” to what kind of reads like “technically there’s an infinite amount of conspiracy theories that aren’t proven in the emails” is saying the opposite of “truth doesn’t matter”
      • jrflowers2 hours ago
        > (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth

        I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists.

        I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.” but people are posting like that’s a thing that happens frequently now. It’s almost like the tinfoil hat theory I’ve seen the most isn’t “pedophile cannibals” but rather “reading the emails will make you go crazy and start believing in cannibal pedophiles” like they are an actual real-life Lovecraftian hazard, which is a much more outlandish idea than… kooks and hucksters continuing to be kooks and hucksters.

      • nixosbestos2 hours ago
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        • RajT882 hours ago
          > What a fucking joke. This site is a joke. This discourse is a joke. The entire pretense of these bullshit conversations are a joke.

          Don't take it out on me. I am outraged. I can't be outraged every minute of every day, and certainly not at the very-unlikely-to-be-true worst theories from the files. I am so sorry my post did not live up to your expectations.

          You're right about something:

          > you know, than remarking on the fact that once again, nothing will happen.

          Any kind of pretense that justice ever got served to Epstein and his co-conspirators is a joke. We all know it. The system is a joke - a joke that's on us.

          • p0tk3ttle5 minutes ago
            We should be taking it out on ourselves though.

            We're sitting around waiting for Luke Skywalker or Wonder Woman; someone else to improve the world.

            It's not just you but it is you too.

          • nixosbestos2 hours ago
            Sorry, I regretted this pretty much after I wrote it. I'm upset, didn't need to be at you. I'm having a bit of a hard time compartmentalizing? all of this, despite my default cynic attitude.

            Time for an extended break from things.

            • dangan hour ago
              Kudos for recovering this nicely.

              I've seen a number of HN threads lately where commenters regain their balance like this and respond in a thoroughly decent way.

              A new pattern? I wish! but it's probably just the clustering illusion... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37303788)

            • RajT8826 minutes ago
              Thanks for your reply.

              > Time for an extended break from things.

              It's all a lot.

      • dash23 hours ago
        This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.
    • siavosh3 hours ago
      There’s also a lot of self censorship happening in the mass media.
    • blululu3 hours ago
      That's an interesting point in general. On this particular topic I would go so far as to say that the citizen journalists are far more than what professional journalists are producing. I would guess that this is more a function of the idiosyncrasies of this particular data source. Most journalists are experts in tracking down hearsay and getting specific people to talk. The house Epstein email releases are just a massive pile of open data where someone with a more data-centric background can walk in and apply their skills.
      • OgsyedIE3 hours ago
        Massive piles of documents, released erratically and possessing apparently random and sloppy redactions with inconsistent formatting rules are a common tactic in some corporate cases as well, since they intend to wear down opposing counsel through exploitation of reptile theory.

        AFAICT it's not well considered by DoJ that this works roughly in proportion to the technical aptitude of opposing counsel. The public has excellent technical aptitude when motivated and none otherwise and this is clearly a situation of motivation.

    • kevin_thibedeau3 hours ago
      Institutional journalism has done everything in its power to kill this story for 7 years. You don't need a fast turnaround time when the fourth estate is also busy protecting the wealthy. Note how we have all the goods on Matt Gaetz and everyone just conveniently forgot about him because daddy knows who to buy off. DOJ has all the time to pursue rinky dink charges against Letitia James for what would be at best a losing civil case by her lender but we can't go after a known sex trafficker with good connections.
      • dboreham6 minutes ago
        All that stuff about rule of law and exceptionalism was just freedom theater.
      • maybelsyrup39 minutes ago
        The degree to which this is true is I think still underestimated, and comments like these need more upvotes.

        You don’t need to appeal to shadowy cabals to explain why media professionals have been desperate for this stuff to not be true (and why, every day these days, you can still read examples of them absolutely writhing as they are obliged by public outrage to continue to report on it).

        All you really need is to remember that a) they have mortgages to pay, too, so why rock the boat, and b) the people who end up writing for the WSJ and the people who end up in Jeffrey’s rolodex are by and large the same class of people. They went to the same colleges, they consume similar culture and media, they play the same games of keep up with the joneses, they read the Economist on their days off and fret over Gen Z slang and wonder whether the Chase card or the Amex will get them enough airline miles to fly to London for free with their spouse etc etc. They recognize themselves in the “Epstein class” — not in their crimes, but in their manners. So why would they be party to showing the world that class is so profoundly rotten? It’d give the lie to their whole lifestyle.

        (And yes, to anticipate a critique here, of course there’s a difference between a producer at NBC and a billionaire! Not denying that. But they are cut from the exact same cultural and social cloth. The best proof of this is in the Epstein files themselves: not in the creepy or criminal bits, but in the mundane stuff. How he talks, what’s on his mind, the advice he gives, etc. It’s all American upper middle class humdrum stuff.)

        • ryandrake29 minutes ago
          You'd think this would be the story of the century, and that every news outlet would be running it 24/7 and falling all over each other to scoop new information. Child sex trafficking to wealthy and/or well known celebrities and government officials, including the actual president of the US! What news agency in the world wouldn't be salivating for something like this?

          Yet, here we are, no media wants to report on it, and they all wish that we all just forget about it and go back to buying khakis.

    • chatmasta3 hours ago
      Hmm, maybe, but who’s really in control here?

      1) The slow and steady institutional journalists who are reporting on the government

      2) The fast and loose citizen journalists who are reporting on the government

      3) The government who is saturating the attention of both of them while they look for something that exists in the 98% portion of unreleased documentation about government wrongdoing

      I mean who’s the idiot? Maybe it’s the government interns who need to read 100% to release 2%.

    • hikkerl3 hours ago
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      • nofriend3 hours ago
        And which will frequently be completely wrong, but they will believe it absolutely because it fits with their political biases.
      • dash23 hours ago
        … as well as the shooter’s posting history and maybe a link to the livestream?
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      • 642754885373 hours ago
        Respectfully, you also said that "we now know" that taking the COVID19 vaccine could have killed you earlier today, which is completely false. I don't think you are getting your news from reliable sources, and I see this comment as further evidence of that. I'm sure there's lots of information on 4chan about the identity of mass shooters, and that some of it is accurate, but most of it is probably wild speculation, outright trolling, and mistaken identity. Like when Reddit pinned the Boston Marathon bombings on a series of innocent people who were standing on a rooftop or missing because they had killed themselves.

        Then again, you also openly expressed an antisemitic conspiracy theory (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46959252) along with a lot of racist Great Replacement stuff (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46922014), so maybe unreliable news sources are the least of it. Seems like you're probably a literal White Nationalist.

        • Enginerrrd3 hours ago
          To be honest, my working heuristic for over a decade now has been to assume that if someone openly admits to reading 4chan without any hesitation, caveats, or embarrassment, they can quite likely be lumped in with a general basket of deplorables.

          Is it totally fair? No. Is it reasonably high probability? IMO, yes. Is there likely information value on 4chan that could be difficult to find elsewhere? Probably. Is it worth my time and aggravation to sort through it? No.

  • siavosh3 hours ago
    dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.
    • O1111OOO2 hours ago
      > dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.

      Never heard of them, started browsing the site just now. Very impressed so far.

      https://www.dropsitenews.com/

  • delichon2 hours ago
    I have a lot of sympathy for this man:

    https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/bio/e/jeffery-epstein

  • whattheheckheckan hour ago
    Does anyone really think they chose Gmail because they're incompetant or specifically to cause this scene?
  • gowthamgts123 hours ago
    How low we have become to do nothing about it? No arrests no convictions?
    • protocolturean hour ago
      What do you mean?

      I understand the reporting is like "LOOK AT ALL THESE CRIMES" but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you".

      How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? If you unredacted that person, identified them and called them would they tell you that the girls were all 18 or older? Or would they incriminate themselves? Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?

      I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.

      • stolen_biscuita minute ago
        > I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.

        An investigation...?

      • an0malous38 minutes ago
        > How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction?

        You do an investigation

        > Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?

        Yes because that would be a part of these files. It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.

        • protocolture29 minutes ago
          >It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.

          I would love a source that discusses this.

    • asdff3 hours ago
      Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.
      • colecut2 hours ago
        Actually, no she didn't, but a lot of people are saying she did.
        • datsci_est_20152 hours ago
          Which is a weird thing to make up given that there’s already so many horrible bytes to choose from that aren’t fabricated.
        • clipsy2 hours ago
          Snopes confirms this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bondi-epstein-files-system...

          But everyone knows Snopes is leftist propaganda, so it's probably false. /s

          • colecut2 hours ago
            It is amazing that this has to be confirmed on a website...

            Wouldn't there be a clip of her saying it?

            No one has even bothered to spend the 25 cents on an AI generated one as far as I've seen.

      • doodlebugging2 hours ago
        She is more worried about her own exposure. She can picture the ship sinking but doesn't want to drown with the other rats she helped protect.
        • stevenwooan hour ago
          She’s won so far, already got away with this twice as Florida AG, didn’t try to go after Epstein when he lived there and after Trump donated 25000 to her, she stopped the prosecution of his TrumpU fraud in Florida. GOP owns Justice Department for three more years and Dems were pretty toothless in previous administration.
        • xvector2 hours ago
          Don't be naive, do you really think Pam Bondi has a choice in the release of these files?

          She is just a figurehead, her or her family's life is almost certainly under threat

          • dboreham2 minutes ago
            Spot on. Unclear why this is being down voted. Underneath everything related to this "administration" is the implied threat of violence.
      • deadbolt3 hours ago
        If that's the case, the system deserves to.
      • Herringan hour ago
        > the whole system

        If there were democrats on that list, they’d already be in jail.

        • Der_Einzigean hour ago
          THERE ARE! BILL CLINTON! NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!)

          Democrats WANT to see the pedos in our party getting justice! We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.

          Anthony Weiner went down quickly. Cuomo went down quickly. Even folks who didn't deserve it like Al Franken go down quickly!

          • Herringan hour ago
            > We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.

            Or as the rest of the world calls it, “not being a criminal organization”.

      • O1111OOO2 hours ago
        > Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.

        This is a criminally colluding Pam Bondi saying this. I guarantee that every single person on the Epstein list is replaceable many times over. There is not a single person on that list that is indispensable in any role they play in society. Full stop. Don't fall for it.

        It's just the way the system is built. Even Pam Bondi is replaceable (and should be replaced) by many, many actual qualified people.

        • bdangubic2 hours ago
          she, like every other member of the administration is a DEI hire
      • lolive35 minutes ago
        Save the Borgias !
      • BLKNSLVR2 hours ago
        So she admitted that the whole system is corrupt?
        • bdangubic2 hours ago
          that was a shock to us all
      • ekianjo2 hours ago
        Pam Bondi is trying to play the clock until the hot potato falls in someone else's hands.
  • iterateoften3 hours ago
    Honestly I’ve been sick to my stomach these past few days. I wasn’t even looking for the files and saw some in my feed on Reddit.

    Basically take the most sad and disturbing Eastern European horror and put it in email form.

    I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch because I saw one email were he just happened to be boating by and stopped by the island for lemonade.

    The richest people and political elite were openly trading prices on children, leaving rave reviews on child services and how great that torture film was that was sent

    Its sick

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    • DANmodean hour ago
      > were

      Happening before JE, happening now.

      Jimmy Savile, same thing.

    • delichon3 hours ago
      Your distress may be related to your low standard of alarm. There's no evidence that Seinfeld replied let alone accepted.
      • iterateoften3 hours ago
        Go look at the photos and tell me that everyone is overreacting. If anything people are under reacting.

        After the 3-4th blacked out little girl showing her genitals so they can be sold, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if someone is connected to the island they need to be thoroughly investigated. That’s not a stretch.

        Replies like yours are what’s sick downplaying the most prolific industrial child rape in modern America and only one person is sitting in prison. And none of the customers.

        • delichon3 hours ago
          I haven't seen those photos. Are they so bad that they justify smearing someone who was only mentioned in a huge trove and regardless of context? Will I go into a righteous omnidirectional rage if I see them too?
          • iterateoften3 hours ago
            I didn’t smear anyone. I said I stopped my rewatch.

            After investigating Jerry further, yeah dating a 17 year old high schooler and picking her up after school is equal distressing.

            So thank you for your astute analysis and defense of a person who drove to a high school to have a physical relationship 21 years younger but I’ll hold off on watching Seinfeld for now. If that’s not too controversial.

            • delichon2 hours ago
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              • iterateoften2 hours ago
                It’s a factual statement that email exists. If it is true or not is another thing.

                I don’t think it’s controversial to say someone with a history of pedophilia (yes a grown 38 yo man 17yo highschooler is pedophile) being mentioned a the island should at least step back and investigate it.

                • fromMars4 minutes ago
                  The age of consent in most European countries is 15 and 14 in some like Italy and Portugal.

                  In my mind someone like Larry Nasser or all those Catholic priests who raped alter boys are pedophiles.

                  I agree that it's pretty gross behavior but it seems to be normalized in many countries.

                  Technically attraction to 15-19 year olds is called Ephebophilia whereas Pedophilia is attraction to 14 and under.

          • iterateoften2 hours ago
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  • thrance3 hours ago
    Not a single mention of Trump. Really fucking impressive journalism.
    • Insanityan hour ago
      Can’t upset the dear leader! Yeah, it was a notable absence and definitely intentional.
    • stronglikedan3 hours ago
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      • rescripting3 hours ago
        Kept his distance? His name appears in the files, and this is not an exaggeration, over one million times.

        https://www.axios.com/2026/02/10/trump-epstein-files-jamie-r...

      • paulryanrogers3 hours ago
        Trump is mentioned about a million times, according to the (less redacted) docs searched by a congressman.

        Much of that is probably the news articles and gossip Epstein was known to circulate as the walls were closing in. Still, their friendship goes back decades and they were neighbors both in NYC and Florida.