198 pointsby machielrey4 hours ago32 comments
  • amarantan hour ago
    I think we're witnessing a schism within the vampire community. By the end of the article, the author is less than subtle about being Dracula, and is trying to use the respect his name no doubt commands among vampires to get the unruly youth(relatively speaking) to get their shit together. This article is a warning to Thiel and Johnson. Dracula sees you, and he does not approve of what he sees.
  • sgt10121 minutes ago
    The novels Blindsight & Echopraxis by Peter Watts have a nice vampire sub-plot... basically his world has vampires which have been revived from the fossil record. They are posited to have gone extinct in recent times, but before then were human's key predator, keeping our populations strongly in check and then having to hibernate for decades to allow the breeding to provide new meat!

    He's super interested in brain disorders and spins a good story about the trade offs of a terrible reaction to right angles in exchange for savant like powers of perception.

    • vict711 minutes ago
      I have not read Echopraxis yet, but I thoroughly enjoyed Blindsight. Some very thought-provoking concepts in that book.

      The idea that vampires needed to take “anti-Euclideans” and the way the ship was constructed to avoid generating right angles were some great details.

  • austinjp41 minutes ago
    > Stoker, a theatre manager with no medical background, somehow described the basic mechanism of heterochronic parabiosis

    Just to pick a nit...

    Stoker's story was inspired by "The Vampyre" by physician John Polidori, who doubtless knew whatever his contemporary medics knew about blood.

    Polidori, Lord Byron, and Mary Shelley told scary stories to each other by Lake Geneva in 1816, the "year without a summer". It couldn't get more gothic.

    https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/the-poet-the-physician-...

  • koakuma-chan2 hours ago
    > The Suspects Peter Thiel

    Has anyone tried garlic on him?

    > Vampires don’t drink blood because young blood contains an elixir. They drink blood because their own blood accumulates factors that accelerate aging, and they need to periodically dilute it.

    I don't think this makes sense. Our bodies do not use the same blood forever.

    • observationist16 minutes ago
      This is actually one of the mechanisms behind "blood swaps" done by the rich and weird. Donating blood frequently also reduces various accumulated "factors" that reduce kidney stress, encourage healthy new blood, and is overall beneficial to health.

      Various other mechanisms can improve how effective your body is at recycling cells, encouraging autophagy and filtering things in the blood. There are a whole suite of various supplements and medicines that work in this system.

      As undead, though, vampires no longer produce new living blood, so require fresh blood of the living to restore lost function. Or something.

      I guess that'd make Bryan Johnson the ultimate thrall?

    • maerF0x043 minutes ago
      The replication process makes worse and worse copies over time. Plus the cleanup crew gets confused and weak. Each bit of aging makes the process of keeping you young work less well, and hence you age more + faster.
    • ASalazarMX41 minutes ago
      Who knew we could coexist with vampires if we give each some kind of dialysis machine? Imagine the kind of cultural works someone with centuries of experience could create. Imagine a vampire historian!
    • glitchcan hour ago
      Not the same blood, but dead cell matter does accumulate in plasma over time. The body has active mechanisms that perform cleaning: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7392086/
    • 0x4ean hour ago
      Maybe garlic alludes to the working class.
    • groby_ban hour ago
      > I don't think this [ed:periodical dilution] makes sense. Our bodies do not use the same blood forever.

      You might want to read up on chaperone-mediated autophagy, and how that declines over time. There's a point to be made that yes, in old age we collect things in our blood that don't belong.

      It might not be solvable through dilution, but it's not like we get a full blood change every 5K miles either.

      • smegger00141 minutes ago
        as someone that donates plasma twice weekly I wonder what health effects of removing and filtering the blood regularly has if accumulation of byproducts is a major issue
    • sgtan hour ago
      Imagine showing up to a meeting with Thiel wearing a huge garlic and onion necklace.
      • koakuma-chan40 minutes ago
        "What important truth do very few people agree with you on?"

        "Garlic"

  • eviks3 hours ago
    Hope the author has some garlic silverware lying around after such a revealing article
    • machielrey3 hours ago
      I realize now that I might be in trouble. Thanks everyone
      • amarantan hour ago
        Cute. But I saw through your thin veil Mr Tepes. The irony of bragging about your opsec and revealing your true identity for leverage in the same sentence is considerable.

        Anyway, I hope your son, Adrian, is doing ok. I fondly remember hunting your horrors of the night with him

        -T.B.

  • david9273 hours ago
    This is a fun story from the early 18th century if you haven't read about it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_St._Germain

    • david9273 hours ago
      And I don't want to add fuel to a strange fire, but in 1764 when Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote a letter to Beaumont regarding the absurdity of belief despite evidence, he used this as an example:

      "If there is in this world a well-attested account, it is that of vampires. Nothing is lacking: official reports, affidavits of well-known people, of surgeons, of priests, of magistrates; the judicial proof is most complete."

  • jagged-chisel3 hours ago
    Completely OT: In the link “what the longevity experts don’t tell you”[1] I found this:

    “As a devout Baptist, he couldn’t use playing cards…”

    And I’m wondering if I missed something in my Baptist upbringing. I have long since removed myself from any semblance of the Church and manage my own relationship with faith and any related higher beings, so it’s more a curiosity than pertinent.

    1 - https://machielreyneke.com/blog/longevity-lessons/

    • jvalencia3 hours ago
      As a devout Baptist minister, this is likely about one of two things, avoiding the appearance of evil (gambling, 1 Thess 5:22 - Abstain from every form of evil), and giving up something for the sake of others (gambling addictions within the church, Rom 4:21 - or do anything that causes your brother to stumble).

      The reality is that most churches recognize that they were too legalistic in the past, and so now address things like gambling more directly, and are perfectly ok with playing cards. FWIW YMMV :-)

      • prometheus762 hours ago
        I was under the impression that the injunction against playing cards was because of their proximity to tarot/occult practices. Mormons had the same injunction against playing cards until the 80s, when the teaching was no longer promulgated. Speaking as a former Mormon...
        • impossiblefork31 minutes ago
          Here in Sweden, where we also have free churches such as Baptists, Laestadians etc., the concern was definitely about gambling.
        • jvalenciaan hour ago
          I think that's not wrong. Same principle, different sin... it looks like gambling, or the occult, or...
    • mikestew3 hours ago
      I knew plenty of Midwestern Baptists that didn't participate in the triple crown of no-nos: dancing, drinking, and gambling. And cards aren't necessarily gambling, but cards are the bricks that pave the road to such evil. It's guilt-by-association (and some will tell you, wrongly, that playing cards are an outgrowth of tarot cards and the like), but there ya go. Oddly, I knew plenty of Baptists that played Yahtzee, which involves dice, and that seemed acceptable. Never minding that the Roman soldiers cast lots ("dice") for Jesus' clothing. :-)
      • larsiusprime2 hours ago
        This is actually how the popular Texas dominoes game of "42" was invented. It's similar to Spades and other trick-taking games with bids and trumps, but it's played with dominoes, not cards, and therefore it's okay :) Two boys from a Baptist family who got in trouble for playing cards came up with it.

        http://texas42.net/42Article.html

    • dfxm123 hours ago
      Consider some writing contemporary to Rockefeller (there is a section on cards): https://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/social.amusements.willis....

      Consider that Titan was written maybe 100 years removed from the events and you're reading a secondhand telling of it from a blog. Maybe there is more context in the book if you're really curious, or maybe the context was lost from Rockefeller's time to the book, or from the book to the blogpost.

      Consider a few more things: If you ask 10 Baptists about something secondary to scripture like this, you may get different answers from different people, especially if they are from different eras, as religion changes over time. As another example, some Catholics grew up hearing the mass in Latin.

      It's funny though, Rockefeller appeared devout enough to understand that gambling was a sin. Rockefeller appeared to believe in an omniscient God. Did he really think his square counters would fool said omniscient God? People trying to find such loopholes in Religion is always fascinating to me. Of course, it could have all been a show.

  • solidasparagus3 hours ago
    > Here’s what’s genuinely interesting.

    That's my current AI detector smell.

    > He discontinued the blood exchange after data showed “no benefits.” A suspicious person might note that a vampire would say exactly this after the media got too interested.

    I don't think it's the media (clearly the younger generations are media friendly), it's probably pressure from the older vamps.

    • sgt44 minutes ago
      Yeah, that does sound pretty AI-ish / marketing-bloggy. It’s not wrong, but it has a few classic “AI vibes”. If you want, I can........oh no!!!!!!

      NO CARRIER

    • ZoomZoomZoom2 hours ago
      > You know what else is far-seeing? A creature that has been alive for centuries.

      Well, hello there!

  • u1hcw9nx3 hours ago
    >They drink blood because their own blood accumulates factors that accelerate aging, and they need to periodically dilute it. Feeding isn’t nutrition. It’s dialysis.

    This seems to be the emerging consensus. When you get older your metabolism creates all kinds of crap that circulates in the blood.

    You would like to have boosted kidneys parallel to real ones that can detect and remove all the slightly wrong proteins.

    • glitchcan hour ago
      To reframe the argument, it's more likely that mechanisms for clearing cellular debris become less effective with age.
    • johnisgood3 hours ago
      Are there any reasons for this to work on non-vampires? :D
      • delecti3 hours ago
        That was my thought as well. At least naively, it seems to follow that regularly donating blood might have health benefits. A typical donation is half a liter, and a person has about 5 liters of blood, so donating should in theory remove about 10% of the crap you've got circulating, right?

        Edit: You can donate every 2 months, so donating as often as possible would roughly halve the crud every year (0.9^6 ~= 0.53, ignoring the natural increase over time).

        • robocat13 minutes ago
          In New Zealand, you are stopped at 75 (or 81 if given an exemption) assuming you started donating before 71.

          You can't start donating blood after 71.

          From age section: https://www.nzblood.co.nz/become-a-donor/am-i-eligible/detai...

        • toast023 minutes ago
          > it seems to follow that regularly donating blood might have health benefits

          It's pretty effective if you have excess iron (hemochromatosis) and your local vampires accept your donation; some don't because a donation where you get a significant benefit isn't a donation for the sole reason of helping others (and a free cookie). In that case, traditional bloodletting may be required.

        • u1hcw9nxan hour ago
          I don't think it's very effective.

          It's your metabolism that produces that junk with increasing ratio of stuff that you need. If you just remove blood, the ratio of good stuff to bad stuff does not change. Same with kidney filtering if they can't recognize the difference.

          Blood transfusion from younger person gives you blood with better ratio.

          • delectian hour ago
            The article includes a citation that explicitly states the opposite. Specifically citation 20 from the section "The Twist" (which is itself all about this idea):

            > [20] Mehdipour, M. et al. “Rejuvenation of three germ layers tissues by exchanging old blood plasma with saline-albumin.” Aging 12(10), 8790–8819, 2020. The UC Berkeley team found that diluting old blood plasma with saline and albumin produced rejuvenating effects comparable to young blood — suggesting the mechanism is removing pro-aging factors rather than adding youth factors. This was, at the time of publication, the strongest evidence that old blood is the problem, not that young blood is the solution.

            Maybe regularly donating blood would have more negative effects from losing good stuff than positive effects from losing bad stuff, or maybe not. There is evidence that it could be a net positive though.

            And even aside from the buildup of crud due to normal aging, environmental crud (nano/microplastics, PFAS, etc) is not produced by the body. It's still not totally settled science whether all of those things have negative effects, but regular blood donation would help clear it out, at least a little.

            • FarmerPotato15 minutes ago
              I was waiting for someone to consider the idea of synthetic dilutants.

              But a further horror is: you’re dumping your crud on the person getting your transfusion? I guess it’s better than dying in ER.

              • delecti5 minutes ago
                Yeah, unless your blood is significantly more cruddy than average, the recipient shouldn't really care that you had ulterior motives behind donating.
        • RajT88an hour ago
          2 months for whole blood IIRC. You can do every 2 weeks for platelets, but I am not sure if that removes the crud or not. There's other donations with varying frequency (red, plasma, etc.).
        • johnisgood2 hours ago
          Yeah, that is donating, now I wonder donating AND receiving (from a healthy individual). :D
          • dylan6042 hours ago
            Why do you think Gavin Belson had a blood bag? This has been a trope for a while. They even had blood bags in the Fury Road movie, but that was more of a continuous supply than just trying to refresh like Gavin. I don't think using movie tropes in a discussion on vampires is out of line here
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  • mlsuan hour ago
    Love this concrete interpretation. The symbolic one is maybe more interesting:

    Vampires:

    - Consume the life force of the living to sustain themselves

    - Are totally isolated and perverted from any kind of human community

    - Have no family, no community ties

    - Unable to feel love, warmth, connection with any human

    - Must avoid spending time in the virtuous natural world (daylight, sunlight) and must instead be cordoned off indoors or in darkness, they do not live as most natural things do.

    - Are kind of fallen/perverted; at one point, they were human, but they failed at being human (for instance: unbaptized, excommunicated, murderous, etc) and so were forced into exile often due to their own choice to live sinfully

    Billionaires:

    - cannot become a billionaire without thousands/millions of regular non-billionaires siphoning money (== time, == life force) upwards

    - when they become a billionaire they are forced to be distanced from their community/family of normal people; middle class people are never "regular friends" with billionaires

    - either their normal family/friends are 'bitten/infected' (wealth inheritance) or cut-off

    - often are profoundly isolated on a personal level (are they talking to me for my money or for me?)

    - often the direct cause of or at least complicit in the destruction of the natural world (i.e. cut off from sunlight; unnatural)

    - often must make unethical or immoral choices to catapult themselves to wealth/powers (fallen, sinful)

  • lbrito2 hours ago
    Fun read but I stopped after detecting AI:

    "The young blood doesn’t add youth. It removes age."

    "Feeding isn’t nutrition. It’s dialysis."

    Etc. Why is LLM so enamored with the "Its not x, its Y" idiom? Its so ridiculously overused its almost comical

    • doodpants2 hours ago
      The flaw in trying to detect AI by its use of particular idioms is that it would have learned these idioms from its training corpus, which consists of writings from actual human beings.

      In other words, some people actually write like this.

      • johnmwilkinson2 hours ago
        It’s not that people don’t write like this, it’s the over-usage and general tone.
        • alex_young2 hours ago
          It's not that “I can detect AI” posts sound more templated than the writing they’re critiquing, it's the clankers are learning from it and adapting.
          • uwagar2 hours ago
            its not that i cant detect your AI detection, its just that i cant watch you quietly do it.
      • lbritoan hour ago
        You're absolutely right!

        I have a friend that has used ems all his professional life and is livid that they're now a telltale for AI. So yeah, false positives.

        • FarmerPotato11 minutes ago
          Include the Gen Xers who read The Mac Is Not A Typewriter in the 90s or were merely into fonts.

          Heck, anyone used to a word processor that automatically changes dash dash into em-dash.

          There’s a lot of us that knew how to use em-dash.

        • lionkoran hour ago
          Its not just a telltale sign. Its a fact.
      • therobots927an hour ago
        Key word here being “some” people. Not nearly at high enough frequency that this way of talking was noticeable before. AI uses this pattern CONSTANTLY and it’s very fucking irritating.
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        • achenet13 minutes ago
          Have you ever met human beings that constantly reuse a certain idiom/figure of speech/linguistic pattern?

          The valley girl using "like" every other word, for example?

          Or I had a colleague who would use the expression "we can say" (in French, because we were speaking in French) basically every couple sentences for a bit.

          Humans also repeat speech/linguistic patterns, therefore "repetition of the same pattern" is not sufficient to mark text as produced by AI :)

    • downbootsan hour ago
      It isn't an idiom. It's antithesis.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

      • FarmerPotato9 minutes ago
        It is/was common in scam newsletters. My trained scam alert now matches AI output…
    • machielreyan hour ago
      Thank you for your feedback - I will pass it on to my ghostwriter.
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  • firefoxd2 hours ago
    I was hoping he would provide some insight about why they avoid the sun. From observation, thiel looks like he is getting too much sun, or at least his skin has been reengineered like Alucard. While Johnson is just cake [0].

    Side note: for once, I'm enjoying a heavily AI assisted article.

    [0]: you'll have to find that reference on your own.

  • stuaxo2 hours ago
    Early chatgpt really did not like it when I asked if Peter Thiel was a vampire.
    • mystraline2 hours ago
      It got very "mad" at me. It was funniest thing all day.

      Thanks for the recommended chuckle.

  • larsiusprime3 hours ago
    Honestly, the surest sign of the existence of vampires to me would be a class of investors with extremely anomalous discount rates, suggesting that they are operating on inhumanly long time horizons, combined with a particular interest in real estate, as first documented in the field's seminal publication (Stoker, 1897).
  • ceayo2 hours ago
    I'm not really sure if the author (i.e. generative language model) is being serious or being sarcastic...
  • stared2 hours ago
    > Increased sun exposure was associated with an older appearance and accelerated with age (p  0.015), as was a history of outdoor activities and lack of sunscreen use.

    Bahman Guyuron et al., "Factors Contributing to the Facial Aging of Identical Twins" (2009) https://gwern.net/doc/longevity/2009-guyuron.pdf

  • jamilton3 hours ago
    >The public begins to associate blood transfusion with eccentric billionaires rather than with undead predators. This is a critical narrative shift.

    Not much of a shift...

    • kps2 hours ago
      You misunderstand. Coming out as vampires is meant to improve their reputation.
  • _joel3 hours ago
    Why am I reading this in Freddie Mercury's signing voice?
    • block_dagger2 hours ago
      Although better known for his singing voice, it's true that the voice he used when cryptographically signing private messages was also impressive.
    • layer82 hours ago
      In that version, there can be only one.
  • prometheus762 hours ago
    Interesting that the author didn't mention anything about stem cell injections. Those have been in vogue among the elite for decades (millennia?).
    • FarmerPotato4 minutes ago
      Yeah… and anytime the narrative switches from transfusion to blood-sucking, I object “but what about stomach acid?” Bodies break stuff down first.
    • dylan6042 hours ago
      How could it be millenia? Have we been able to isolate stem cells that long, or are you suggesting feasting on placenta as suitable?
  • crmd3 hours ago
    I hope the old vampire Dons give some fashion advice to the new guys, e.g. “A vampire doesn’t wear Arc’teryx“.
  • boutell2 hours ago
    Flawless logic!

    I have a spoiler-tastic fan theory about the movie Marty Supreme that is apropos here.

  • OutOfHere3 hours ago
    The article misses the simplest technique:

    Just donate blood as often as possible. This results in a loss of cholesterol, other bad lipoproteins, excess iron in those who have it, and PFAS toxins. It is frequency-dependently associated with longevity.

    Whole blood donation avoids the plastic lining of plasma donations, with the latter undesirably transferring unwanted microplastics into the body.

    For those with sufficient spare money, instead of donating blood, just get various blood tests every other week, additively comparable to a donation if the tests are substantial.

    Granted, this is antithetical to being a vampire, but you will still have to make up for it by supplementing sufficient healthy nutrients, e.g. electrolytes, ferric pyrophosphate, protein, etc. to allow your body to quickly restore the lost blood.

    As a disclaimer, do not ever donate blood if you use narcotics, disallowed drugs, injectable drugs, or have unsafe intimate practices, or might have chagas or TB or even long Covid.

    • 1970-01-012 hours ago
      >It is frequency-dependently associated with longevity.

      Paper where more frequent cycles in women correlate to longer lifetimes? That would have to be true if this were true.

      • Sohcahtoa82an hour ago
        I'm assuming you're referring to blood loss from menstruation? That's typically only 30-40 mL (1-1.5 fluid ounces, about a shot glass).

        Nowhere close to the amount given during a donation.

        • 1970-01-01an hour ago
          Heavy bleeders would be in the 100-200ml range. This group should correlate with longevity.
    • drewg1232 hours ago
      So maybe they were on to something with leeches?
    • koakuma-chan2 hours ago
      Every time I do blood work I almost faint.
    • kadushka3 hours ago
      Is there any evidence?
    • fyrabanks3 hours ago
      does this imply that you're just giving shitty blood to people that need life saving procedures?
      • munk-a2 hours ago
        Bad blood is better than no blood!

        Also, I'm not certain how much they treat blood, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a purification system sort of similar to Dialysis where you rely on an external machine for removing impurities.

      • overfeed2 hours ago
        > does this imply that you're just giving shitty blood...

        2 questions: is there any other kind? If there were, ate people requiring transfusion in a position to make demands to the donors (not vendors)

  • giraffe_lady35 minutes ago
    Something I've wondered for a long time: Can a vampire enter your home uninvited if they are a cop with a warrant?
  • gpderetta2 hours ago
    Time to break the Masquerade it seems.
  • cushpush2 hours ago
    Fantastic. Several halloweens ago I wore vampire fangs and told a beautiful girl at a concert that I worked at the local blood bank. She said "yeah?" and I followed up with, "would you like to make a donation?"
  • mac3nan hour ago
    see also Floyd Kemske, "Human Resources: A Corporate Nightmare"

    https://archive.org/details/HumanResourcesPdf

    > Corporate management is the use of humans as resources. So is vampirism.

    >Biomethods, Inc. is a struggling biotechnology company whose venture capital group is growing tired of pumping in new blood every quarter.

  • soiltype3 hours ago
    Interesting... I first went to the linked recent post What the Longevity Experts Don't Tell You. Sorry to be harsh: it was nonsense. It just lists a few weird, unscientific behaviours of John D Rockefeller and tries to draw lessons (to what end? longevity? is Rockefeller still alive?) from them despite there being no indication those behaviors even had any effect, let alone positive impact on longevity. It also doesn't bring up things "the longevity experts don't tell you," it's just summaries of topics in a single biography.

    Still I gave this article a shot. I don't understand what it's doing. Like, one of the points about Thiel is that he destroyed Gawker to cover up his vampirism. He actually destroyed Gawker to cover up his relationship to Epstein, the pedophile and saboteur of US social/economic integrity. Why put a silly spin on that? I guess the entire thing is just a little joke... just doesn't feel like it belongs on the HN front page. I had higher expectations.

    • dgacmu3 hours ago
      It's not nonsense, it's satire. I was laughing most of the way through both of these articles.

      The Rockefeller one literally points out that the guy did all this weird stuff and then his son, who didn't, outlived him.

    • JimmyBuckets3 hours ago
      Also weird it didn't mention Peter Attia's connection to Epstein outright. It did this weird tongue-in-cheek thing for a few paragraphs referencing Epstein only in the foot notes. I still can't tell whether what I read was actually praising these guys or extremely subtly sardonic.
  • insin3 hours ago
    > Appears to not age but also to never have been young

    /me snorts

  • jyscao3 hours ago
    Big if true :P
  • snvzz3 hours ago
    If interested in rejuvenation, I would suggest investigating LEVF's Robust Mouse Rejuvenation.

    RMR1 done and shows promise, RMR2 started recently.

  • yashasolutions4 hours ago
    very entertaining writing style
  • themarbz3 hours ago
    Now this is the kind of content I come to Hacker News for.