FDA declines to review Moderna's mRNA flu shot(www.nbcnews.com)
67 pointsby bikenaga4 hours ago4 comments
  • AIorNot2 hours ago
    yes, lets find more ways to kill people besides bringing back the measles. God what a race to the bottom for this administration..
    • FranklinJabar27 minutes ago
      Does this refer to the administration of the shot or not administering the shot? I'm assuming based on your paranoia that you believe alleged medicine kills people.

      The chances of someone trying to take advantage of you with fake medicine are nearly zero.

      Good luck

    • dhaman hour ago
      To be fair, a lot of doctors were sounding the alarm in 2021 that forcing the Covid shot was going to cause blow back. They said word for word, that we might see the rise of measles and other similar diseases. It's actually very well documented on zdoggmd youtube channel (podcast) during this time. But there were tons of doctors saying the same thing.
      • jleyankan hour ago
        Because the docs knew that far too many people would rather face risk to avoid doing what they’re told to do. And far too many people just don’t give a shit about other people. The npc’s aren’t real or pertinent.
        • _m_p37 minutes ago
          How did taking it benefit other people?
          • smt8825 minutes ago
            - Reduced demand on emergency rooms and other limited medical resources

            - Decreased insurance claims, which are paid for by other patients in the form of premium increases

            - Prevented burdens on taxpayers from illness or premature deaths of workers (welfare payments, orphanned children, lawsuits, etc.)

            No one in a developed, Western society is an island. They borrow from society in childhood and pay society back as an adult. And they use common resources like drugs, hospitals, and (in the case of insurance) risk.

          • t-writescode31 minutes ago
            The best way to keep immunocompromised and people who literally can’t take vaccines safe is by having so much herd immunity that the likelihood they a virulent load of a virus cannot get to those people.

            A great way to get herd immunity is through mass vaccination.

      • expedition3229 minutes ago
        Actually there has been an unholy alliance between Christ clowns and new age hippies against modern medicine looooong before COVID.
      • Ar-Curuniran hour ago
        And the alternative was… what? Continue having people die because of Covid
      • mindslightan hour ago
        While it's understandable that intelligent people eventually come to the conclusion of figuring out how they can change themselves, we need to stop absolving the destructionists of responsibility. The political machine that made a public health emergency into a political issue did much more damage to our country than the vaccines being practically, but temporarily, mandatory.
        • dhaman hour ago
          It's not temporary though. The Covid vaccine push has caused an entire generation to now doubt simple life-saving vaccines. They erased a century of goodwill.
          • t-writescode28 minutes ago
            It really didn’t. It caused a subset of people already predisposed to such things to become harder stance on it and it expanded that insanity by making it a political talking point; but it is *not* a whole generation, it’s likely 30% of one country; and, over time, hopefully less.
          • fyrn_37 minutes ago
            A century of goodwill? It's not like US vacvine skeptics are a new thing. Ol' ben franklin was a vaccine skeptic until his son died to smallpox. The new thing is the right has recently embraced antivaxxers as part of the coaltion.

            Giving it a mainstream platform for a few political points was a deal with the devil, and they deserve to be condemed for that.

          • add-sub-mul-div8 minutes ago
            The only thing most people know or remember about the covid vaccines are that they're the reason the lockdowns ended and things got back to normal. The only people still mad about it are the types who were easily manipulated to be mad about it from the start.
  • clumsysmurf2 hours ago
    Unfortunate, just recently I read

    "Influenza vaccination is associated with significantly lower odds of myocardial infarction (MI), according to a large meta-analysis published late last week in BMC Public Health."

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/influenza-vaccines/new-analysis-l...

    • ottah21 minutes ago
      We will still have flu vaccines, just not this vaccine.
  • panny3 hours ago
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    • yCombLinks3 hours ago
      Good how?
      • cbeach3 hours ago
        Unlike traditional vaccines, mRNA injections cause the body’s own healthy cells to express disease markers. This causes the immune system to attack its own cells.

        The effect is extremely pronounced if the mRNA injection hits a blood vessel and becomes intravenous, as opposed to intramuscular. Without the “aspiration” safety measure, about 1 in every 1000 intramuscular injections ends up being an accidental intravenous injection.

        In the heart, lungs and other critical tissue, the resulting scar tissue and inflammation causes permanent damage and shortens one’s lifespan. Multiple studies of the covid mRNA injections shows a correlation with inflammation around heart tissue, with serious health impact.

        > The Global Vaccine Data Network cohort study included 99 million vaccinated people from 10 sites across eight countries. Researchers compared the observed with expected rate for 13 neurological, blood, and heart related medical conditions. The study, published in Vaccine, confirmed previously identified rare safety signals for myocarditis and pericarditis after a mRNA vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna)

        > The study also confirmed significantly higher risks of myocarditis following the first, second, and third doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as well as pericarditis after the first and fourth dose of Moderna vaccine, and third dose of AstraZeneca vaccine in the 42 days following vaccination.

        https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/384/bmj.q488.full.pdf (British Medical Journal)

        • kelseyfrog3 hours ago
          Not an RCT, and no mention of it's clinical significance. Call me back when it's clinically significant.

          This feels like a psy-op to read through.