Hoot: Scheme on WebAssembly(www.spritely.institute)

56 pointsby AlexeyBrin3 hours ago2 comments

threemux43 minutes ago
Very cool! Would this work with Cloudflare Workers potentially?
NeutralForest2 hours ago
It's such an amazing project, I wish it used something other than Guile but you can't have everything.
- zelphirkalt33 minutes ago
  Guile has lots of libraries though, and is the language of Guix. This makes it more likely for people to package their stuff via Guix. Guix itself enriches the ecosystem, and Guile projects can use Guix to make them reproducible.
  A few problems remain though. A good debugger, a good macro expander (geiser in Emacs is able to expand somehow), and solving the issues with R6RS library syntax and standard library bindings, are what comes to mind.
  Racket's multi-core abilities for a long time were mostly heavy weight (places, starting whole new Racket VMs), except for their implementation of futures, but that one was not always useful. I think recently the situation in Racket has improved, but I don't know, whether it is as good as Guile fibers and futures (which are different from futures in Racket).
  - nerdponx10 minutes ago
    If Guile had more of the "batteries" from the Gauche standard library it might be the perfect all-purpose Scheme. But for just writing a simple application quickly and easily it's been impossible to beat Gauche for me, it's on par with Python and Ruby in that regard IMO.
  - NeutralForest17 minutes ago
    Aside from the debugging & testing I already mentioned, going only through guix is a tough sell considering the very tiny amount of people that use it. It's also incredibly slow and doesn't have many packages available. Even for Emacs, it has this weird way of going around Emacs-installed packages (GNU or MELPA channels). Just like Guile docs, it also doesn't tell you of a good way to do things, it only says "here is what exists" with too little guidance imo. It means people have to figure out how to setup things properly on top of all the rest. It makes for a terrible onboarding.
- Zambyte2 hours ago
  Other than Guile as in different Scheme implementations? It's usually not too difficult to port things between Schemes. Especially if you use standard R6RS or R7RS library syntax.
  - noosphr2 hours ago
    Guiles debugging has been a nightmare in the 3.x series. Which is rather surprising since it was probably the easiest scheme to debug in the 1.x days.
    It got so bad I moved to racket as my daily driver.
    wwfn2 hours ago
    Can you say more? Guile's the only scheme I've tried (attempts at packaging for Guix). Debugging has been difficult, but I figured it was me struggling with new tools and API. Does racket have better facilities for introspection or discovery at the REPL?
    pjmlpan hour ago
    Yes, since years, all the way when it was still known as Dr. Scheme.
    It has a graphical experience similar to the survivors from Lisp is Great days, like LispWorks and Allegro Common Lisp, or Clojure with Cursive.
    pjmlpan hour ago
    Even better than PLT Scheme with Dr. Scheme, now Raket has ever been?
    I have my doubts, given its age.
    feastingonslop2 hours ago
    Which LLM works best for Racket?
  - NeutralForestan hour ago
    A different scheme that has great debugging and testing and also better docs.