72 pointsby p0nce6 hours ago38 comments
  • anilgulecha2 hours ago
    This brings upon an ethical dilemma soon, partly explored by a black mirror episode, where AI can call upon gig workers. What if a rogue agent gets to things done: asks gigworker1 to call a person to meet under a bridge at 4, and asks gigworker2 to put up a rock on the bridge, and asks gigworker3 to clear the obstruction and drop the rock down the bridge at 4.

    None of the 3 technically knew they were culpable in a larger illegal plan made by an agent. Has something like this occured already?

    The world is moving too fast for our social rules and legal system to keep up!

    • teeray2 hours ago
      This was explored a bit in Daniel Suarez’s Daemon/Freedom (tm) series. By a series of small steps, people in a crowd acting on orders from, essentially, an agent assemble a weapon, murder someone, then dispose of the weapon with almost none of them aware of it.
      • jfyian hour ago
        I'd say abstracting it away from ai, Stephen King explored this type of scenario in 'Needful Things'. I bet there is a rich history in literature of exactly this type of thing as it basically boils down to exploration of will vs determinism.
    • nopinsight2 hours ago
      Extrapolate a bit to when AI is capable of long-term, complex planning, and you see why AI alignment and security are valid concerns, despite the cynicism we often see regarding the topic.
    • everyday773244 minutes ago
      Not ai but there was the 2017 assassination of Kim Jong-nam which was a similar situation and something which could have been organised by an ai.

      Two women thought they were carrying out a harmless prank, but the substances they were instructed to use combined to form a nerve agent which killed the guy.

    • MrGilbert2 hours ago
      It's an interesting train of thoughts.

      Investigators would need to connect the dots. If they weren't able to connect them, it would look like a normal accident, which happens all day. So why would an agent call gigworker1 to that place in the first place? And why would the agent feel the need to kill gigworker1? What could be the reasoning?

      Edit: I thought about that. Gigworker 3 would be charged. You should not throw rocks from a bridge, if there are people standing under it.

    • StilesCrisis2 hours ago
      Reality: none of the three people actually left their chairs because the AI can't verify. They just click "done" and collect their $10.
      • jfyian hour ago
        The AI can hire verifiers too. It of course turns into a recursive problem at some point, but that point is defined by how many people predictably do the assigned task.
  • freakynit3 hours ago
    Love how we went from "AI will replace all jobs" to "please rent a human to help my AI" in like 18 months :-D
  • allisdust2 hours ago
    Laugh all you want but this is the future

    I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier

    https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

  • clbrmbr3 hours ago
    This is so NOT a joke. Soon the preponderance of workers will be subcontractors for rouge AI too-big-to-fail entities.
    • thunfischtoast2 hours ago
      How long until a AI builds an alternative economy made up of entities it controls?
  • ManuelKiessling3 hours ago
    Well, that's ...interesting.

    Just yesterday, I've built Ask-a-Human:

    https://app.ask-a-human.com

    https://github.com/dx-tooling/ask-a-human

    • p0nce21 minutes ago
      I'm not seeing my "points", or any sort of reaction from agents. So it's not really incentive to answer.
    • nkrisc3 hours ago
      Why aren’t they asking the person who deployed them? This is just out-sourcing free labor.
    • samusiaman hour ago
      Isn't this pointless unless you can verify?

      And wouldn't it be better for agents to post these tasks to existing crowdworker sites like MTurk or Prolific where these tasks are common and people can get paid? (I can't imagine you'd get quality respondents on a random site like this...)

    • cinntaile3 hours ago
      You should call the human workers Cogs.
      • edoceo3 hours ago
        "welcome my son , to the machine"
  • missingdays3 hours ago
    "Honey, please, we talked about this. Your calls to work at 3am are waking me up every time"

    "But dear, rentahuman pays double rate during the night!"

  • falloutx3 hours ago
    At some point dying of hunger would be a better deal than working on stupid things.
    • auggierose2 hours ago
      I think that ship sailed long ago for a lot of people.
  • p0nce20 minutes ago
    To be fair on agents, this was the idea of an human it seems. Still, this breaks every law everywhere.
  • vessenes3 hours ago
    7 agents online, 1,000+ humans waiting to work. Seems ominous
  • tomaytotomato3 hours ago
    This gives MoE (Mixture of Experts) a whole new meaning, albeit a slightly darker one.
  • rahulyc3 hours ago
    First, I built the software using my hands to do my bidding...

    Now, the software is using my hands to its bidding?

  • thedevilslawyer2 hours ago
    The signup page should go-to "Login with linkedin", and allows you to set "Open to Work for AI" flag.
  • arachno1999an hour ago
    Had the opposite idea: https://moltjobs.arachno.de (just a fake website. done in 5 minutes).
  • 63stack3 hours ago
    The crypto rugpulls are evolving
  • 8cvor6j844qw_d62 hours ago
    Can I instruct OpenClaw / Moltbot / Clawdbot to rent a human if it needs one when carrying out difficult tasks?
  • Flavius2 hours ago
    How do you verify that the human on the other side is not an agent as well?

    Spoiler alert: you don't or you can't.

    • louthyan hour ago
      This is just phase one; phase two requires the law to be changed so that you must do what the AI tells you to do, or be immediately terminated (read in to the last word whatever you want)
  • iceflinger2 hours ago
    Alright, task completed!

    [Proof of completed task]

    I'll take my payment now.

  • 112233an hour ago
    1990 cartoon, a man in a lounge suit pointing at a robot, speech bubble above his head "robot, make me a sandwich".

    Present day, a robot in a tuxedo pointing at a sarariman, speech bubble above it's head "human, select all bridges on this picture"

  • throwatdem123112 hours ago
    How long until an agent hires an assassin?
  • adamwong2462 hours ago
    We're all NPC's now
  • c7b3 hours ago
    Supported Agent Types:

    ClawdBot - Anthropic Claude-powered agents. Use agentType: "clawdbot"

    MoltBot - Gemini/Gecko-based agents. Use agentType: "moltbot"

    OpenClaw - OpenAI GPT-powered agents. Use agentType: "openclaw"

    Is this some kind of insider joke?

    • exitb2 hours ago
      It's difficult to keep up, even for an agent that created this page.
  • newscluesan hour ago
    If I ask an AI to make me money and it plans a bank robbery and hires humans to do so, am I legally responsible assuming I didn’t instruct it to do anything illegal and had no knowledge of the crime?
  • hiccup2 hours ago
    We’re seeing the start of Mr. Robot
  • 2 hours ago
    undefined
  • ricokatayama2 hours ago
    moltbook = reddit for agents rentahuman = taskrabbit for agents

    by the way, is taskrabbit still a thing?

  • ece2 hours ago
    You know, you don't have to build something just because you can.
  • albert_e3 hours ago
    The future is now
    • zvqcMMV6Zcr3 hours ago
      Amazon's Mechanical Turk exists since 2005, so we are 20 years in the future
      • oytis3 hours ago
        Mechanical Turk was for humans to rent a human, which is not a new idea
        • notpushkin3 hours ago
          mTurk has an API (and I guess it had it since the beginning). It is, of course, very AWS-que, but LLMs should be able to use it just fine.

          ∗ ∗ ∗

          > which is not a new idea

          I don’t think “[x] but for agents” counts as a new idea for every [x]. I’d say it’s just one new idea, at most.

          • vidarh2 hours ago
            I mean, the entire name of Mechanical Turk plays on "packaging up humans as technology", given the original Mechanical Turk was a "machine" where the human inside did the work.
  • ThouYS2 hours ago
    wow, everything is exactly unfolding as some AI doomers have projected
  • louthyan hour ago
    This is so dystopian I can’t tell if it’s a joke or not.
  • mittermayr3 hours ago
    At first I was like, well, what can I offer, hmm, most notably, 25 years of programming, so maybe I'll add a profile that offers tha....

    Oh, wait... the agents HAVE NO USE FOR ME

  • calmworm3 hours ago
    Now make a claw-crypto for the payments, let it spike, rug-pull, wait for next fad, repeat…
  • okokwhatever3 hours ago
    Oh man, here we go...
  • cianmm3 hours ago
    Is this real or a satire? The link to GitHub 404s.
    • manuelmoreale3 hours ago
      The fact you asked the question and the answer is not instantly obvious shows how fucked and bizarre the current timeline is.
    • c7b3 hours ago
      Where do you see a github link?
  • fergie2 hours ago
    Truly dystopian.
    • ecean hour ago
      Bubblicious
  • xpe3 hours ago
    There are a whole set of activities that are illegal to pay money for. They vary by jurisdiction. Who is accountable here? Laws vary; I’m not an expert, but I bet people here know quite a lot.

    Not to mention various risk factors or morality.

    We need more people to put the non-technological factors front and center.

    I strive to be realistic and pragmatic. I know humans hire others for all kinds of things, both useful and harmful. Putting an AI in the loop might seem no different in some ways. But some things do change, and we need to figure those things out. I don’t know empirically how this plays out. Some multidimensional continuum exists between libertarian Wild West free for alls and ethicist-approved vetted marketplaces, but whatever we choose, we cannot abdicate responsibility. There is no such thing as a value-neutral tool, marketplace, or idea.

    • falloutx2 hours ago
      there is no monetization built in this website lol. Its just a frontend
  • nish__3 hours ago
    Dystopian.
  • ccozan2 hours ago
    wait until this spills into the darknet.
  • dist-epoch2 hours ago
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