34 pointsby helloplanets4 days ago12 comments
  • PaulRobinson2 hours ago
    I actually think this is just computer science. Why? Because the first "computer scientist" - Alan Turing - was interested in this exact same set of ideas.

    The first programs he wrote for the Atlas and the Mark II ("the Baby"), seem to have been focused on a theory he had around how animals got their markings.

    They look a little to me (as a non-expert in these areas, and reading them in a museum over about 15 minutes, not doing a deep analysis), like a primitive form of cellular automata algorithm. From the scrawls on the print outs, it's possible that he was playing with the space of algorithms not just the algorithms themselves.

    It might be worth going back and looking at that early work he did and seeing it through this lens.

    • gilleainan hour ago
      I think this is 'Reaction-diffusion models'

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction%E2%80%93diffusion_sys...

      The idea iiuc, is that pattern formation in animals depends on molecules diffusing through the growing system (the body) and reacting where the waves of molecules overlap.

      • Kim_Bruning20 minutes ago
        To me , the 1952 paper is very important, since it shows up in theoretical biology a lot. Seeing generality at all these different emergence levels is really exciting to me. (and it makes me sad when others don't see it). Can you imagine? Set up a few gradients, and now you have coordinates. Put all the bits where they're supposed to go like uhhh... GLSL sort of loosly fits. How cool is THAT?

        More recently I've gotten into all sorts of debates on HN by people who like Searle. Often the argument goes "Turing is all wrong, he knows nothing about biology."

        Turns out towards the end of his life he was applying his knowledge to biology. Most of which experimentally verified, besides!

        (ps. just to be sure: Never wondered how DNA encodes the trick? You started out as a clump of cells, all the same. How did one part decide to become the tip of your nose, and the other the tips of your toes? Segmentation controlled by Turing patterns all the way down!)

    • oulipo2an hour ago
      Alan Turing is FAR from the first computer scientist, though, if we want to be pedantic
    • nurettin10 minutes ago
      It is generative functions. Wolfram is grifting again.
    • SideburnsOfDooman hour ago
      Right. is "the basic science of what simple rules do" not the same as Formal systems?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_system

  • happa2 hours ago
    It's starting to sound an awful lot like a Ruligion.
  • throwaway1324482 hours ago
    Surprised it’s not called Wolfrology. This man is ego personified - not reading.
    • ahartmetzan hour ago
      If you want other people to name something after you, you have to give it a name they have reason to replace.
  • mvr12345633 minutes ago
    Sure, it's typical Wolfram, inviting the typical criticism. If you can understand what he's talking about at all then you won't be very convinced it's new. If you can't understand what he's talking about, then you also won't be interested in the puffery and priority dispute.

    The rest of his stuff tagged ruliology is more interesting though. Here's one connecting ML and cellular automata: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2024/08/whats-really-goi...

  • chvid2 hours ago
    Someone mentioned his apparently failed earlier work ANKOS. I had to look that up - it is 2002 book by Wolfram with seemingly similar ideas:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science

    But exactly what is the problem here? Other than perhaps a very mechanical view of the universe (which he shares with many other authors) where it is hard to explain things like consciousness and other complex behaviors.

    • jacquesm2 hours ago
      With Wolfram it is usually the grandstanding and taking credit for other people's work. Inventing new words for old things is part and parcel of that. He has a lot in common with Schmidhuber, both are arguably very smart people but the fact that other people can be just as smart doesn't seem to fit their worldview.
      • gritspantsan hour ago
        He may be smarter than I am, but I'm smart enough to tell that he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
  • old8man42 minutes ago
    Ruliology provides a powerful descriptive framework - a taxonomy of computational behavior. However, it operates at the level of external dynamics without grounding in a primitive ontology. It tells us that rules behave, not why they exist or what they fundamentally are.

    This makes ruliology an invaluable cartography of the computational landscape, but not a foundation. It maps the territory without explaining what the territory is made of.

  • chvid3 hours ago
    I am struggling to understand what is new here - other than the word ruliad - which to me seems to similar to what we have in theoretical computer science when we talk about languages, sentences, and grammars.
    • elric2 hours ago
      It's just Wolfram explaining how he likes stuying things that can be describe by simple rules and how complexity can emerge in spite of (or because of?) the seeming simplicity of those rules. He came up with a word for it, and while I think "ruliology" sounds a bit silly, it does say what's on the tin.
  • meghanto3 hours ago
    This looks very exciting but wolfram language being paywalled makes me super sad I can't play around with it
  • an hour ago
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  • KnuthIsGod2 hours ago
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  • uwagar2 hours ago
    he invented the term and so pleased its blowing up.
  • deepsun3 hours ago
    Amount of "I" and "me" is astonishing.

    Didn't find anything on falsifiable criteria -- any new theory should be able, at least in theory, to be tested for being not true.

    • ForceBru3 hours ago
      Isn't this his personal blog? The domain name is "stephenwolfram.com", this is his personal website. Of course there will be "I"'s and "me"'s — this website is about him and what he does.

      As for falsifiability:

      > You have some particular kind of rule. And it looks as if it’s only going to behave in some particular way. But no, eventually you find a case where it does something completely different, and unexpected.

      So I guess to falsify a theory about some rule you just have to run the rule long enough to see something the theory doesn't predict.

      • uwagar2 hours ago
        he be the trump of his new kinda science world.
    • dist-epoch15 minutes ago
      Some things, like the foundations of mathematics, are not falsifiable.

      You judge them by how useful they are.

      Ruliology is a bit like that.

    • SanjayMehta3 hours ago
      That's his style. It's not just his blog style, it's the same in his book.

      https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200207/stephen_wolframs_unfor...