12 pointsby dkobia6 hours ago3 comments
  • luniasan hour ago
    I've seen this article an estimated hundred times in the past year. Personally, I do not want an EV in their current form and I certainly do not want one from China.
  • N_Lens4 hours ago
    The economics and quality of Chinese EVs are remarkable and it is only through massive tariffs and protectionism that US & EU consumers are “protected” against better cars at a cheaper price.

    I do appreciate the fact that letting China control domestic car markets completely is not in geopolitical interests of governments, especially since US and EU can’t beat the Chinese in a free market. Plus it’s likely these highly advanced vehicles have atleast some intentional vulnerabilities and backdoors.

  • expedition325 hours ago
    Does anyone outside America wants to buy an American car?

    I know that way back in the 50s and 60s companies like Ford actually had huge factories in the UK building cars for the European market. But it seems to me that they have all retreated to their own insular North American island.

    • happymellon5 hours ago
      I am interested in the Slate.

      But thats probably the only vehicle from the US that has piqued my interest, and they are not coming over here.

      So, I guess no. I'm not interested in what Americans are offering us.

    • cucumber37328424 hours ago
      >Does anyone outside America wants to buy an American car?

      "Nobody buys American" is a circle jerk meme in white collar parts of the internet where everyone has a $50k Japanese car/SUV/pickup in their driveway they need to feel validated about.

      Ford and GM sell small cars, crossovers and midsize trucks hand over fist in "wet equatorial places", roughly speaking, though in GM's case typically not branded as GM/Chevy.

      The Daimler Benz and FCA thing was actually really good for Chrysler/Jeep getting their products out there[1]. Due to the inherent multi nationality of Stellantis, those platforms are basically global at this point anyway even if they're not badged as Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler overseas or badged as French/Italian in the US.

      That said, the "first world" markets have been so insular for so long due to protectionism that they are in serious danger.

      • aitchnyu4 hours ago
        GM mostly rebadged Subaru, Isuzu, Daewoo (Korean) models as Chevies in India before leaving. Are they doing better in other "wet equatorial places"?
        • cucumber37328423 hours ago
          They're doing fine in south america and the parts of Asia that used to take orders from the French. GM has more sales in the ME than Ford does so that kinda offsets the fact that Ford is doing better in Asia for the most part.
    • fragmede5 hours ago
      Hondas are more made in America than Fords these days, but that doesn't change perceptions of things. And with multinational conglomerates owning all the brands, what's even American anymore?
      • master_crab4 hours ago
        Yeah this is the thing that i always think about when discussing buying American. Even the GSA (the Federal government’s “facilities manager”) buys Hyundai cars because they are all made in the states (I believe Alabama in Hyundai’s case).