126 pointsby smurda6 hours ago14 comments
  • Epskampie2 hours ago
    Horrifying read. I recently read a book about a girl who was pressed into prostitution, and this reads much the same. [1] Before I was convinced that slavery was mostly a thing of the past, how awful to find out this isn't true.

    1: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6515858-slave-girl

    • PeterStuer2 hours ago
      Why would a criminal organization that trafficked you into a place where you have no legal recourse ever stop exploiting you?
  • gkanai2 hours ago
    China executes 11 members of Myanmar scam mafia

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2gdrvy9gjo

    China executes four more Myanmar mafia members

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4e9eqz4rxo

    • v3ss0nan hour ago
      They are Ethnic Chinese who were operating scam centers in collaboration with junta at northern area Laukkai.

      There are more at shwe Koko area.

  • walterbell3 hours ago
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/feds-seize-15-bi...

    > [US] Federal prosecutors have seized $15 billion from the alleged kingpin of an operation that used imprisoned laborers to trick unsuspecting people into making investments in phony funds, often after spending months faking romantic relationships with the victims.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-29/china-executes-online...

    > China has executed 11 people involved in criminal gangs in Myanmar, including online scam ringleaders. Their crimes included "intentional homicide, intentional injury, unlawful detention, fraud and casino establishment"

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/3184205/why-china-was-so-k...

    > Chen's case might prove more complicated since the US had seized a large amount of his cryptocurrency assets, but he was now in custody in China.. "If China doesn't cooperate, it will be extremely difficult for the US to investigate Chen."

  • simianwords33 minutes ago
    Does Laos not have a functioning justice and enforcement system that the individuals trapped here could not just call them?
    • pjc508 minutes ago
      The catch-22 is that these people are nearly always immigrants, and the criminals have taken their documentation, so the best case scenario is they get rescued and then deported, possibly via a spell in immigration detention. The worst case scenario is the cops turn up, laugh, collect the day's bribe money and then the person who called the cops gets beaten.

      (this is an important dynamic in sex trafficking as well)

  • hereme888an hour ago
    Real slavery. The kind I wish the American Left focused their DEI on.
    • andrepd7 minutes ago
      Why would people from place X be more interested in abuses happening in place X than in a country literally half a planet away that they have no control over? Truly a mystery, probably they are just DEI crazies (whatever that means).
      • StefanBatory4 minutes ago
        From my experience online, it's just that's it's far more acceptable to say "I hate DEI" (never to be defined), instead of "I actually hate black people/minorities".
    • boston_clone29 minutes ago
      Real slavery, like what's permitted via the Thirteenth Amendment and propagated by over-policing black communities? Pretty sure the "American Left" is keenly aware of this, even if terminally-online armchair policy analysts engaging in whataboutisms aren't.

      This is kinda the whole crux of prison and police reform in the US; you may want to read "The New Jim Crow". Decent primer.

      • simianwords27 minutes ago
        comparing this to what happens in USA is why people don't take BLM and DEI seriously
        • gmerc8 minutes ago
          I guess if you're taking the Epstein thing as extra-territorial we could pretend this comment makes any sense.
        • boston_clone22 minutes ago
          Oh, you don't have to out yourself like that; not here in public! Many people care about black lives and DEI. In fact, I'm willing to bet you probably agree with the most palatable form of DEI - jobs programs and hiring incentives for veterans.

          In any case, here's a quote FTA:

          >Rather than explicit imprisonment, the compound relied on a system of indentured servitude and debt to control its workers.

          Not that different from the USA: https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-inve...

    • spiderfarmer19 minutes ago
      You could, of course, demand/wish/hope that right-wing politicians did anything about slavery in foreign nations. But somehow “trying to do anything good” is on left-wing politicians, while right-wing politicians, without repercussions, can thwart all anti-slavery efforts made by the US over several decades.

      Like ending 69 global initiatives to end child labor, forced labor and trafficking: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/27/trump-cuts-c...

      US politics in a nutshell. In order to feel you’ve contributed to a conversation, you can just yell DEI and be done with it.

  • bandris2 hours ago
    Complementary movie on this topic: "No More Bets" from 2023

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Bets

  • Incipientan hour ago
    I'm surprised anyone here expects these things not to be happening. The world outside of our (frankly small) 'western bubble' varies from pretty rough to absolutely horrific.

    I'm personally not too sure what anyone does about it. People left unchecked, to some degree, are awful.

  • andrepd4 minutes ago
    That's why those "scammer gets owned" videos made by douche youtubers, full of people gloating in the comments about how superior they are, never sat right with me. Those people crammed into warehouses are obviously extremely desperate or coerced or both.
  • thoi4o8094ijoian hour ago
    I wonder what kind of stories one'd hear from scam-centers in India.
  • thaumasiotes3 hours ago
    > The more senior boss, who went by the name Da Hai

    Weird. In Wired's own graphic of the org chart, this person appears, but he's labeled "SEA" instead of "DA HAI".

    • jtvjan2 hours ago
      In the chart, it says 大海 (dàhǎi, lit. big sea) above "SEA", which means 'ocean'.
      • thaumasiotes2 hours ago
        Yes, I know, but the intended audience can't read 大海.

        The chart and the article are both created by Wired; it's strange for them to refer to him one way in the chart and another way in the article.

        I'm curious about the ethnic makeup of the "team leader" level. One of them is called "Ted", and seems to also be called 特德 ["te de"]. The 特德 could just be because everyone in the upper levels is Chinese, but the English-language post from Ted shown in the article doesn't really suggest a native English speaker. (And does suggest an emotional loyalty to China.)

        Amani doesn't sound like a Chinese name or like the English name of a Chinese person.

        • bandramian hour ago
          "Amani" is an East African name
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    • kdheiwns3 hours ago
      It was reported in the very first paragraph of the article and in countless other articles the past few years: these people are kidnapped and kept as slaves. Nobody decided "yep, I want to get kidnapped during my relaxing trip to Thailand and be transported to the Laos/Myanmar border to be beaten half to death and take on call center work with the risk of being murdered should I refuse."

      Because that is what is happening. People who get kidnapped and refuse to work are being murdered. This isn't call center work. Some people may be doing this voluntarily around the world, but this article is specifically about people who are being held as literal slaves with zero chance of walking out alive on their own free will. And it's worsened by the fact the governments of Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar (or what's left of their government), and Thailand are all complicit in this. It brings in big bucks, and there are reports of police even bringing people back to the compounds if they somehow escape.

      • DaedalusII2 hours ago
        I have to disagree on one point: Thailand is not complicit in this. They turn off parts of their grid and deploy their military at cost of life and limb to combat this.

        https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/thailand-cut-power-myan...

      • oefrha3 hours ago
        It's really a spectrum. Some were kidnapped. Some knew part of the what they were getting into (they're there to scam people) but were lured by the promise of high salary, but later found out it wasn't what was promised and lost freedom. Some knew exactly what they were getting into, are voluntarily there, and even have personal freedom. Not every scam syndicate in the general area treat every scammer the same. It's often hard to tell who is in what category.
    • netsharc3 hours ago
      Just because you talked to one (or many) who chose the job freely, doesn't mean the ones in SE Asia are the same...

      The captive ones do the scamming via text anyway, and they'd get beaten or worse if they don't do as wanted. "Just send some coded message", your incompassionate mind might say.. sadly not everyone is as wise as you, and it's hard to be so when they can cut your head and throw you into a river in a lawless part of the world.

    • gscott3 hours ago
      • Towaway693 hours ago
        Why aren’t the bosses identified via whatsapp?

        I thought that’s why various western countries require chat applications to allow decryption of private messages.

        These scam factories seem to be the perfect use case for all these anti-privacy regulations. Pity these operations are so profitable.

        • DaedalusII2 hours ago
          in these countries simcards and cell phones are not so strictly linked to personal identity documents, so even if the chats are decrypted it is not very helpful
          • Towaway69an hour ago
            What about location? Wasn’t there a thing about whatsapp encryption leaking gps location or something?

            Really sad to see humans being able to be this nasty to each other. Technology being the enabler and enforcer, and also the means around detection.

            These scams are really a good excuse to force whatsapp to do something about their technology. Afterall they patented it (probably) so their own it and they should do their best to ensure it’s not abused.

            • DaedalusII14 minutes ago
              myanmar has had an ongoing civil war for decades so location is moot. there is no central authority that has the ability to deal with these things. the scam centres can get a lot of freedom just by supplying tinned food and petrol to whichever group they are closest to.

              https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/hundreds-of-enslaved... one thing that is still happening is fishing fleets buy myanmar people and keep them as slaves on trawlers or in remote island prison camps

              there are 100+ formal languages in Myanmar, at least 100 unique ethnic groups, and over 150 armed combat groups. and the ethnic diversity is very abrupt, people living 30km away from each other can be so different they can't communicate with each other at all. foreign governments have almost zero influence on the ground

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_armed_organisat...

              because the languages are so complex and dialect driven, they are often impossible to translate and monitor too.

    • calcifer3 hours ago
      Well, let's just hope that if you get kidnapped, enslaved and forced into labour, someone will be kinder to you then you were to them.
      • lynx972 hours ago
        So, what do you expect from that hypotheically kinder person? Should they let themselves be scammed by me, once I am kidnapped, enslaved and forced into labour?
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    • cinntaile2 hours ago
      This probably has more to do with a power vacuum in which lawlessness arises instead of the ideology that is at power.
    • orwin2 hours ago
      But in this case this is not about politics, it's about local power and local control, and Laos government have very little of either of it. Laos communism and Vietnam communism are very similar, but you don't here the same about Vietnam, because Vietnam is easier to control due to geographical terrain and investment by USSR and china after the vietnam war. Laos still have areas with unexploded personal mines and ammunition (the "joke" there is that US pilots couldn't aim for shit, the reality is that vietcongs used Laos jungle path to encircle US soldiers, and so the US made those path unusable). Laos have way less roads, rougher terrain, and mines. You have basically local feudalism. Imagine colombia, but ten time worse.
      • logicchainsan hour ago
        >Laos communism and Vietnam communism are very similar

        No they're not; Vietnam scores much higher than Laos on any measure of economic freedom/property rights.

    • latexr2 hours ago
      As opposed to capitalism, which as we all know works flawlessly. The free hand of the market keeps everything running smoothly. There’s always competition for the benefit of the customer, never collusion. There aren’t just a few bit players controlling everything, everyone has equal opportunity. And of course who can forget trickle down economics, where giving more money to the richest people made every one of us richer.

      Capitalism’s most outstanding feature is that no matter how hard it tears one’s asshole, it keeps people begging for more with the false promise that they too one day will have their turn as the selfish oppressors doing the pounding, and that’s a good thing for everyone actually, for some reason.

      Is there any ideology applied societally at the scale of those two which hasn’t failed to deliver?

      • kortilla2 hours ago
        Capitalism doesn’t preach to be a solution for monopolistic behavior of actors that accumulate too much power. It’s a known downside of capitalism that has to be actively managed by the state.

        Capitalism has still delivered with massive success in China, the US, India, Europe, etc etc. It hasn’t “failed to deliver” in any of those places.

        • xg15an hour ago
          So in other words, communism pretends to solve the problem of power accumulation but doesn't, while capitalism doesn't even claim to do so (and only occasionally even sees it as a problem at all)
        • dudefelicianoan hour ago
          > downside of capitalism that has to be actively managed by the state.

          And all governments in the world seem to be doing a great job at this! /s

        • latexran hour ago
          > Capitalism has still delivered with massive success in China, the US, India, Europe, etc etc.

          Ah yes, the “massive success” where people can’t afford a place to live, struggle to cover basic necessities, are increasingly lonely, radicalised, unhappy, depressed… But hey, at least you can look at cat videos all day while enriching a small number of individuals who don’t even allow you the dignity of not having to piss in bottles as you’re making them more money they will ever be able to spend.

          This was precisely my point. No matter how much mistreatment there is, we can always count on someone coming out to ask for more.

          • logicchainsan hour ago
            >Ah yes, the “massive success” where people can’t afford a place to live, struggle to cover basic necessities

            Nobody is struggling to find enough to eat in Europe or America; even the poor unemployed are overweight to the point of obesity. Tens of millions of people from all over the world are costly flocking to those countries for a better life; they wouldn't be doing that if their systems delivered better outcomes.

            If you like communism so much why not move to somewhere like North Korea or Cuba, the most communist countries in the world?

            • latexr33 minutes ago
              > Nobody is struggling to find enough to eat in Europe or America

              Respectfully, you need to get out more. I recommend you go volunteer at your local food bank.

              Or at the very least go into Wikipedia and search “poverty”. There are pages for individual countries. And yes, they very much include the US and Europe.

              > If you like communism so much

              I’m not defending communism, I’m arguing capitalism isn’t a panacea. The world isn’t black and white.

            • dudefeliciano22 minutes ago
              Food is not the only basic necessity people struggle with. By the way 14% of US households suffered from food insecurity in 2024 https://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/pub-details?pubid=1136.... On top of that the poor are overweight and obese because cheap food is ultraprocessed, unhealthy and designed to make you addicted to it.

              >Tens of millions of people from all over the world are costly flocking to those countries for a better life;

              Of course the west and specifically the US have absolutely nothing to do with the material conditions of those countries.../S

              > If you like communism so much why not move to somewhere like North Korea or Cuba, the most communist countries in the world?

              And if you love capitalism so much why don't you move to the US? Oh wait, they just halted VISA applications for 80 countries and don't want to let in any immigrants...

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    • DaedalusII2 hours ago
      this really has little to do with communism. after all the vietnam war etc concluded, that area kind of got left to itself by the powers that be.

      It's a small country that was given a political system to be a client-state of a hegemonic regional power, and then the hegemon abandoned them, they don't have valuable resources like crude oil or gold, and they end up with underdeveloped state institutions. they aren't really failed states, but more so "unfinished" states

      similar examples include belize, papua new guinea (abandoned by australia), East Timor, vanuatu, djibouti, maldives etc. some marxist, some british, portuguese, french, etc

      in many of these countries you really can do what you want. belize is not much more than a forestry plantation with 19th century english corporate law and a few bars in the capital ("Belize City").

    • vintermannan hour ago
      Laos is a pretty odd state. I looked up their official news site once expecting to find North Korea style propaganda, but it was instead surprisingly straightforward about a lot of day to day problems. I also had some contact many years ago with their one Linux/Free Software enthusiast. My impression is that it's a fairly weak state, and the main reason the communists are technically still in charge is that nobody really wants the job of ruling Laos particularly much.
    • direwolf202 hours ago
      Is there anything that capitalism did that is different from what it preaches?
      • orwin2 hours ago
        No, capitalism is about capital owners having control about what is produced and how it is produced, and we have exactly that, especially since Friedman "shareholder primacy" theory, which, at least to me, looks like the ultimate form of capitalism (capitalism != liberalism, which is about markets and exchange, not about production methods).

        Communist countries however are never about communal ownership of production method. I think there is reasons for that: communism is not only about production methods, but also about the "march of progress" and other philosophical theories that are more or less dumb (some are very effective analysis tools, some are very less so), and communist leaders pick and choose what they want from it.

        • direwolf202 hours ago
          Why is capital owners controlling production desirable?
          • orwin2 hours ago
            It's not. But that the system we're currently under. In a better world, you'd have employees, local government, consumers as well as obligation owners on the companies boards.
          • kortilla2 hours ago
            Because of incentive alignment. They are the only ones incentivized not to do something stupid with their own resources.
            • dudefelicianoan hour ago
              of course people are also resources in this framework, and "something stupid" could be providing insurance/healthcare/pension etc - unless a tyrannical (/s) government forces them to do otherwise
            • direwolf2028 minutes ago
              How does Elon Musk fit into your framework?
          • logicchainsan hour ago
            Because they created the production; it they couldn't control it then they'd have no incentive to create it and there'd be no non-state-owned businesses, exactly as happened when China was fully communist and still happens in North Korea today. Capital doesn't grow out of thin air just from "working"; the only people who think it does are those who've never tried to build a successful business.
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    • setnonean hour ago
      Why though? The essence of communism is banditism
      • sam_lowry_33 minutes ago
        Same with capitalism, as we are witnessing now in US.

        Or with any -ism for that matter.