106 pointsby novaRom11 hours ago20 comments
  • yorwba11 hours ago
  • novaRom10 hours ago
    Fun facts from Germany:

    - Fresh Aldi potatoes are like 0.5 Euro per 1 Kilogram - basically the same price as 25 years ago when Euro currency was introduced

    - Our national TV channel now shows a great collection of "potato recipes" videos on demand on its main page

    - Price of McDonalds/BurgerKing fries is around 4 Euro, and 5-6 Euro as a street food

    - Crisps like Pringles are like 15 Euro per 1 Kilogram (a typical 2.50 Euro for 175gm pack)

    • KellyCriterion9 hours ago
      Small fries at McD had been lately around 2,99 EUR, that was very expensive given that the "small fries" are actually really small :-D
      • throwup2384 hours ago
        They’ve been driving people to use their app for years now. The menu prices isn’t what one pays if they use the app, since it has a constant stream of coupons and discounts that bring the list price down.
        • pests3 hours ago
          Pretty much a standard 20% off, sometimes 25% as a deal depending on amount spent. BOGO value menu McDouble / McChickens. Points that add up to actually free food. Items not on the menu in store. It's robbery if you don't use their app now.
      • chao-3 hours ago
        In the US, a rule of thumb for restaurant economics is that only about 25-35% of an item's price is the cost of ingredients, when you average over all menu items (of course some items better margins than others). The rest goes into labor, fixed costs, etc. It varies a bit by region and by market segment (e.g. fast food vs fast casual vs fine dining), but not by too much.
        • esperent3 hours ago
          For McDonald's fries it's certainly much less than 25%. These are a high margin item, I wouldn't be surprised if ingredients costs is only 5% of that €2.99
          • chao-3 hours ago
            Of course! That is why I qualified it as "averaged over all menu items". The expectation is that higher-margin items are purchased in a volume that balances out lower-margin items.

            Also sodas/fountain drinks are famously high-margin. Depending on the size, as much as a third of the COGS comes from the disposable cup.

      • SapporoChris6 hours ago
        Japan: McFry S Size ¥ 200~ (1.09 EUR) M Size ¥ 330~ (1.80 EUR) L Size ¥ 380~ (2.07 EUR) * Prices may differ at selected restaurants and for delivery.
      • novaRom8 hours ago
        Most of it is probably labor, marketing & franchise fees, rent, utilities, and equipment depreciation. Raw ingredients are likely 5-10%.
  • Flavius11 hours ago
    This is a massive missed opportunity for financialization. We need a 3x Leveraged Bull Potato ETF immediately. Tokenize the crop, lock it in a vault and trade futures against the harvest. Why feed people for free when we could create artificial scarcity and pump the price 10x by next week?

    McDonald’s fries pricing suggests the market has already priced in a massive supply squeeze. They are generating better margins on a sliced potato than the Central Banks get when they print fiat.

    • puzzlingcaptcha8 hours ago
      Crop futures are already a thing. Potatoes are traded on EEX for example: https://www.eex.com/en/markets/agriculturals/potatoes
    • seydor10 hours ago
      Duh. Just set up a viral potato coin and then short it to death
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    • yongjik8 hours ago
      I know it's fashionable to blame capitalism on everything, but dealing with excess produce is legitimately a hard problem because they have a shelf life and someone has to harvest them and move them to where consumers are.
      • gruez4 hours ago
        Not to mention it's factored into future prices. Futures for the same commodity, but for delivery on different dates can vary wildly in price. The most notable examples are oil and electricity prices going negative occasionally.
      • Flavius7 hours ago
        With advanced preservation techniques, we can extend the shelf life of food almost indefinitely. This flexibility extends to the farm level as well: farmers have the agility to pivot production annually, switching from low-demand crops like potatoes to more profitable alternatives as the market dictates.
        • taneqan hour ago
          For example, these potatoes would last indefinitely in liquid form. ;)
      • kwanbix7 hours ago
        It really is not fashionable. I will say it is just a matter of observation.
    • KellyCriterion9 hours ago
      but... will this solution be Cloud Native?

      :-D

    • assaddayinh11 hours ago
      Leave it to [capitalism|socialism] to organize artificial scarcity..

      why does endstage one starts to feel like the other..

      • ahartmetz10 hours ago
        The scarcity in socialism is all real! Organic, if you wish.
  • solatic11 hours ago
    > “There were pictures of huge mountains of ‘earth apples’,” she recalled, using the word Erdäpfel, an affectionate term for the potato sometimes used by Berliners

    Fun fact: the Hebrew translation of potato, תפוח אדמה, is the portmanteau of "earth" (אדמה) and "apple" (תפוח).

    If you should ever be so fortunate as to have too many potatoes, see if you can shred them with a food processor and combine with onion, egg, salt, and pepper to make potato kugel, which freezes exceptionally well.

    • docdeek11 hours ago
      The French term for potatoes is also ‘earth apple’: pomme de terre
      • sleepychu10 hours ago
        I'm fairly sure that is the origin of Erdäpfel. We certainly thought this was a funny name for potato when we learned French in Scotland :-)

        When I learned German the word for potato was Kartoffel.

        • majoe9 hours ago
          Kartoffel is the standard German word.

          Erdäpfel is used in many dialects and has plenty of variants.

          Actually the various different words for potatoe and their distribution across Germany, Swiss and Austria is linguistically quite interesting (see this map [1]).

          The legend is in German and roughly translates to (from top to bottom):

          - Potatoes

          - Ground pears

          - Earth apples

          - Earth pears

          - Hearth apples

          [1]: http://stepbysteplingue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/karto...

        • LePetitPrince8 hours ago
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      • HPsquared10 hours ago
        I suppose this "earth apple" formulation coming up in several languages is partly because potatoes are from the New World, and Old World languages won't have a "traditional" word for them. Whereas in English it's basically a loanword.
        • technothrasher10 hours ago
          It also makes more sense when you realize that 1) pomme in older French meant fruit generally, not apples specifically, and 2) sweet potatoes were introduced to Europe well before white potatoes were. So "earth fruit" seems fitting.
          • roysting9 hours ago
            Technically apple is also just the general term for fruit from its root in Proto-Indo European, ab(e)l.
          • wiether9 hours ago
            Do you have more detail about your second point?

            Since they both come from America, sources I can find place them in Europe during the XVIth century.

      • abecode6 hours ago
        In Chinese one word for potato is "earth bean" 土豆 (the other word is "horse bell tuber" 马铃薯)
      • epolanski11 hours ago
        Polish is ziemniaki, where ziemia is earth.
        • roysting9 hours ago
          So just “of the earth”?
      • em-bee7 hours ago
        french fries are pommes frites. the french term is also used in germany (though sometimes shortened to pommes or fritten).
      • speed_spread3 hours ago
        Diverging but funny: "pommes de route" is a french-canadian colloquialism for horse droppings (on the street - "road apples")
    • DonaldFisk9 hours ago
      Dutch is aardappel. Fun fact: there's a programming language called Aardappel: https://strlen.com/aardappel-language/
    • notepad0x9010 hours ago
      Potatoes originated from the Americas, so I suppose that word was created in the past 500 years. But even for modern computer names, I would thing old languages would just use amalgamations like that.
      • card_zero7 hours ago
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        Wiktionary says it was in Old High German a thousand years ago, but defines that word as "pumpkin, squash, melon", which is strange since pumpkins are New World too.

        • wiml4 hours ago
          Squashes are New World, but gourds and melons were grown in the Old World (Wikipedia says brought to Europe during the Roman era).
    • pixl978 hours ago
      >make potato kugel,

      This seems very similar to a hash brown breakfast casserole in the US.

    • seydor10 hours ago
      the same in many languages, french pomme de terre, greek geomilo,
  • didgetmaster9 hours ago
    Crops are a commodity where you can't instantly ramp up or down the supply to meet demand. Most require the better part of a year from seed to harvest. If it grows on trees, it can take years before they produce.

    Forecasting crop output can also be tricky. Weather conditions, pests, or other things can lead to failed crops or bumper crops.

    The life of a farmer can literally and figuratively be 'feast or famine'.

    • president_zippy4 hours ago
      My grandfather was a farmer in the 70s-80s, and he used futures on about 50% of his crop every year. Just enough to make sure a bad year can't wipe out the farm.
    • pixl978 hours ago
      This is why nations tend to have things like large stores of long lasting foods, and do things like crop insurance, so that they actually have farmers after a bad year to feed their people.

      It is a very risky profession and unless you want to depend on other nations for your continued survival is absolutely needed.

      • novaRom8 hours ago
        But how do they store and preserve that surplus for a longer time cheaply? Probably dehydration helps, but it adds some energy and storing costs.
        • themaninthedark6 hours ago
          It's not always stored, sometimes it is spoiled.

          https://www.thecooldown.com/outdoors/mississippi-delta-farme...

          At one point more was sent to developing countries as aid but that practice was curbed as it was undercutting local farmers.

        • riffraff7 hours ago
          I think most national reserves are cereals (wheat, rice) which are naturally long lasting.

          There's some storage of special products (dairy, pork, famously maple syrup) but those have ad-hoc storage.

  • chao-4 hours ago
    So this is a legit version of the Polish farmer who was robbed of 150 tons of potatoes after a fake social media post saying they were free?

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/viral-free-potatoes-post-cos...

    Good to see that not everything is awful all of the time.

  • scirob10 hours ago
    It's good they didn't flood the market and tank the price.

    It's real btw. I got a whole wagens worth and distributed amongst my neighbors

    • nkmnz9 hours ago
      Finally a match for "der dümmste Bauer hat die dicksten Kartoffeln". Giving stuff away for free is literally "flooding the market".
    • Flavius10 hours ago
      > It's good they didn't flood the market and tank the price.

      God forbid the price of food ever goes down. That would kill millions.

      • nosianu10 hours ago
        > God forbid the price of food ever goes down.

        They did give it away for free...?

        And not letting farms go bust is not the worst idea. Crops are not like industrial products, how much gets produced has a significant random component. Relying on market forces alone does not appear to be the best solution in this field, no?

        That's independent of how much big agro-businesses benefitting from policies they asked politicians to create for them is a problem too.

        Anyway -

        my recommendation for potatoes is "Kartoffelpuffer"! Can be combined with a large number of things, applesauce is the most simple and laziest choice.

        https://youtu.be/obs5MhNA4Rs (German Potato Pancakes | Kartoffelpuffer | Reibekuchen Homemade)

        This is very easy to make, the only problem is that you may end up with a lot of oil splashes around your pan. I cover everything around the pan with kitchen paper towels, carefully leaving a few millimeters of space around the heating circle, so that afterwards all I have to do is collect them at the end, no other cleanup necessary.

        They need to be as brown as shown at the beginning of the above video for best taste, and not too thick.

        They do it all manually in the video, but I just use a mixer, which is much faster and the resulting texture is more to my liking anyway compared to having solid stripes of potato in there. It is also the more common method. Do it like in the video if you prefer them made out of small solid stripes.

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      • seydor10 hours ago
        Indeed it would. Below a price level, cultivation would become unprofitable. Hence why subsidies exist
      • doctorwho4210 hours ago
        Your sarcasm is valid, up until you dig past first order effects.
  • arjie7 hours ago
    Food abundance is crazy to have. Preservation techniques are incredible right now as well. They're no match for a fresh fruit, but if I can get thawed grapes through the year without seasons having significance I'll take them. I am constantly impressed by these seemingly mundane improvements to our lives over the years that have advanced science and development behind them.
    • fy2014 minutes ago
      I watched a documentary a while ago on YT, I can't remember the name now, but it was talking about the negative affects of this.

      It was discussing how crops are bred specifically for life span and storefront appeal, at the expense of other attributes like taste and nutrition. It focussed on tomatoes, but I'd assume it is true for all crops.

      Also fun fact: a kg of tomato seeds can be worth more than a kg of gold.

  • dauertewigkeit9 hours ago
    All I want to know is if they are the floury kind or the waxy kind, or some in between hybrid. Floury potatoes are so hard to find these days. Almost everyone is growing these "allrounder" hybrids that cannot really be fried or roasted. I imagine these are also some kind of in between hybrid.
    • BadBadJellyBean8 hours ago
      In my super market we usually have three kinds of potatos: festkochend (probably what you mean with waxy), vorwiegend festkochend (somewhere in between), weichkochend (maybe what you mean with floury, they fall appart easily)
      • hilios7 hours ago
        Weichkochend, really? I've only ever seen mehligkochend (floury), but yeah those are widely available in supermarkets.
    • _frkl5 hours ago
      They were Agria, mehligkochend (not waxy): https://4000-tonnen.de/faq.html
    • trebligdivad9 hours ago
      'Maris piper' are very common in the UK that I'd say are floury.
  • seb12049 hours ago
    I heard the potato harvest was generally good in Germany. This particular company is rumored to transition to organic farming in the next season.

    I think it is great to ensure the product gets used but I also heard that it puts many other potato farmers under price pressure in the area.

    • novaRom9 hours ago
      Interestingly, some other products are also cheaper today than few months ago:

      Basmati rice: -25% (2.5 Euro/Kg)

      Pork: -25% (7-8 Euro/Kg)

      Butter: -33% (4 Euro/Kg)

      Coffee beans: -25% (10-12 Euro/Kg)

      Chocolate: -15% (20-30 Euro/Kg)

      • BadBadJellyBean8 hours ago
        And then I went to the supermarket today and they wanted like €1.50 for a cucumber. A cucumber! That is essentially crispy water.
  • burnt-resistoran hour ago
    Meanwhile, Russia is importing potatoes because of record low harvests.
  • rouanza4 hours ago
    Chop into fries, wash, quick boil 3 minutes, rinse with cold water, dry ( salad spinner works well). Fry in beef tallow and never use veg oil. Remove when crispy and place in drip basket. Season
  • Animats10 hours ago
    The US has a soy glut and a corn glut, and Germany has a potato glut. What to do with all those carbs? Feed cattle?
    • pixl978 hours ago
      Cattle, ethanol, vodka. Not sure what else with these numbers.
      • Animats7 hours ago
        The US corn industry is lobbying for more ethanol in gasoline. Nobody else can absorb all those carbs near term.
        • burnt-resistoran hour ago
          5% of all land in America is used to grow corn because taxpayer money in the form of government subsidies makes it a cash crop. Socialism wealth transfer just for farming.
    • throwaway1737383 hours ago
      Soy is a pretty good protein.
  • dr_dshiv11 hours ago
    Weird abundance problems. Should we get used to it?
  • trhway4 hours ago
    Surprisingly (for people who never lived in USSR/Russia :) Belarus and Russia have very tight supply of potatoes (after outright shortages in 2025) with Russia importing Chinese potatoes.
  • president_zippy3 hours ago
    I foresee a busy year for potato flour and MRE processing plants.

    ... And those little boxes of instant au gratin.

  • therealdkzan hour ago
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  • labrador8 hours ago
    Gemini 3.0 informs me that the surplus is so large it has overwhelmed the German biofuel industry capacity.
    • novaRom8 hours ago
      I heard crops now cost more to transport than they are worth. Also, it drives most other prices down e.g. pork is getting cheaper.