83 pointsby qmr4 hours ago18 comments
  • wronglebowski2 hours ago
    Everyone is missing the why here, this only happens because the whole stack is vertically integrated. Even if say LG wanted to make a box like this and update it for 10 years they couldn’t, they don’t make the chips. Qualcomm straight up refuses to support chips through this many Android releases. Even if device manufacturers want to support devices forever it won’t matter if the actual SoC platform drops support.
    • IshKebaban hour ago
      If you read the article the actual "why" is because the CEO personally requested it and gave an effectively unlimited budget.
  • buu7094 hours ago
    I've got the OG model, and it's still the main device hooked up to my TV. All my TV streaming goes through it (mostly Jellyfin these days), and it can stream games no problem via Moonlight.

    It's hooked up to a 4k LG TV, and I have no idea about how it does the upscaling, but 720p content looks perfectly fine on it.

    Best (worst?) of all... it still gets updates.

    • Loughla3 hours ago
      The only two complaints about mine is the one set of updates about 5 years ago that killed every connection to my NAS, and that the auto skip function for credits doesn't know if there are scenes after the credits.

      But overall, for running it for like 9 years with a cost of less than $200 and essentially zero maintenance, the shield is awesome.

    • pdntspa2 hours ago
      Yeah I just loved the one where they forced ads on the homescreen. Now I use ProjectIvy
    • j452 hours ago
      I thought the Shield's claim to fame was it was a certified 4K Android TV device because it could handle it early on?
  • boricj2 hours ago
    That reminds me of my own Samsung Galaxy SII.

    Shipped out of the box with Android 2.3, Samsung supported it up until Android 4.1, then I switched to CyanogenMod until my father rage-bought me a new phone in 2016 because it crashed so much he had trouble contacting me. I still kept it up to date with LineageOS and then unofficial versions for fun (it's at Android 13 last I checked).

    Do I expect a Samsung Galaxy SII to do as well with 2026 software as it did in 2013? No, but I can run a 2013 computer with 2026 software without needing to track down dodgy homebrews on xdaforums.com and that reflects badly on the smartphone ecosystem.

    • joe_mamba2 hours ago
      >That reminds me of my own Samsung Galaxy SII. Shipped out of the box with Android 2.3, Samsung supported it up until Android 4.1

      Even that was amazing for Samsung's standards back then.

      For example my former Samsung Note II shipped with Android 4.1.1 Jellybean and they only supported it till 4.4.2 KitKat. Just let that sink in. I basically bought a flagship e-waste device.

      Custom ROMs didn't help much since you'd lose S-pen functionality if you went past 4.4.2 as modders couldn't port the needed firmware blobs past that kernel or something like that.

      Oh, and also, using custom ROMs could brick your wifi from working as the FW of the wifi chip was tied to Knox tripping the e-fuse on custom ROMs, so then you'd need to use some voodoo to patch wifi back. That is, if you were lucky and your phone wouldn't brick itself due to the FW bug in Samsung's eMMC, that would lock itself to read-only mode out of nowhere.

      Seriously, fuck Samsung for that PoS phone, fuck them in the a**. That phone should have been a lemon recall with full refund to consumers.

  • DecoPerson3 hours ago
    The Steam Link, also from 2015, is also still receiving updates! My partner and I use ours regularly to play co-op games on our TV. I really appreciate the efforts of whomever is keeping it running.
    • Blackthorn2 hours ago
      Steam Link is one of the greatest hardware releases of all time.
  • drnick1an hour ago
    It's nice that you can unlock the bootloader on these and flash Lineage if you want to limit snooping by Google.

    That being said, I think that you get more flexibility and performance with a mini PC and and air mouse. For one, stock (Googled) Android does not give you an easy way to use a browser with an ad-blocker, which is still the best way to stream from many sources without ads. Also all these anemic Android boxes struggle with high bitrate 4K videos.

    • aaravchenan hour ago
      You unfortunately lose Widevine support when you do this though (either switching to LineageOS or a mini-PC). That means you can't stream any of the mainstream services in anything like a half-decent quality.

      It's very unfortunate that every streaming service has given up on supporting anything except Google-fied Android and Apple iOS/tvOS. I dont like the services to begin with, but a fully Jellyfin stack can only get you so far when there are niche requests involved as well.

      • drnick136 minutes ago
        > That means you can't stream any of the mainstream services in anything like a half-decent quality.

        Maybe, but I don't think it's a big loss, and the *arr suite works just fine as a substitute.

  • cf100clunk3 hours ago
    The Shield TV's cylindrical form factor could use a rethink. It is hard to find a good spot for it on a shelf when cords are connected at both ends (HDMI and MMC slot at one end, power and LAN at the other) and the ports are too close for all cords to use right-angle-heads. Leaving it invisible by placing it on the floor or behind other gear sometimes impedes Bluetooth signal, so there it sits, well apart from the AVR, BD, other devices.
    • ianburrell22 minutes ago
      That is the new Shield TV design from 2019. The original Shield TV and the Pro were flat design. Strange that they changed it when old design worked well.
    • qmr2 hours ago
      The Flying Spaghetti Monster blessed you with CAD and a 3D printer for such tasks.
      • Cpoll2 hours ago
        The solution to it being clunky can't be to add mass to it. Unless you're proposing transferring the internals to a new case and facing all the ports to the back. Seriously, look at this thing. The best thing you can do is tie-wrap the cables together.
  • beastman824 hours ago
    I have had two for 10 years and have no complaints whatsoever
    • akersten4 hours ago
      The lack of hardware support for a few modern codecs is a pretty big complaint from me, but nothing else out there is decent :/
      • safeimp3 hours ago
        It depends what you're looking for. In the AV enthusiast circles a lot of people flock towards the Ugoos AM6B Plus (with CoreELEC).

        It is one of the only devices (alongside Oppo clones) that can play Dolby Vision Profile 7 FEL (Full Enhancement Layer) with 100% accuracy. The Shield can play P7, but it ignores the FEL data; the Ugoos actually processes it.

        That said, people don’t generally use Android on it, instead you boot to CoreELEC from an SD card and use Kodi.

        • aaravchenan hour ago
          The unfortunate part is that CoreELEC only works when you get all your content from a locally attached disk. You can't even really stream it from your beefy NAS/server, and you definitely can't use any streaming services.

          I'm constantly surprised how many people are in that narrow category of just dipping thier toe in the water for "self-hosted" content that it's little enough it fits on disk storage you can have in your living room (mine is a half-height server rack in the basement), but also have progressed past thr point of using any streaming services. I guess there are a lot of people without families that also never travel out there.

          • compsciphdan hour ago
            I used it with plex (in kodi) just fine. With that said, I'd agree that its mostly for local media (where local can be whatever plex can get to). Outside of plex, either you are using plain kodi or some simple kodi extensions (say youtube) that just aren't as nice to use as their android app equivalents (in regards to streaming services, it does support MLB.TV for those that like baseball, but again, not quite as nice an experience IMO as the android app).
        • compsciphdan hour ago
          I have an am6b+ but in reality the shield is a much nicer device to use if one wants to use anything outside of their local media.

          I actually wish we could run android in a container on the CoreELEC side and switch back and forth between Kodi and the android UI/apps (without needing a reboot, and having a better managed android environment than the provided one).

        • protimewaster2 hours ago
          CoreELEC is a godsend for FEL compatibility, IMO. With a little luck, you can get a device to do FEL for under $100, and you don't have to deal with some random, poorly maintained Android release that probably won't keep up with security updates, etc.
      • Hamuko2 hours ago
        The Apple TV's pretty good. I imagine I'd have a hard time switching to a Shield TV unless it gets a CPU bump, whereas Apple still keeps making newer models with modern-ish phone SoCs.
        • aaravchenan hour ago
          I've looked at this a few times, and AppleTV actually has pretty poor support unless you're only using a select few streaming services and not streaming any of your own content. Shield performs exponentially better in every way except for the god awful stock interface (and Google data collection vs Apple data collection). The hardware and tvOS still have extremely limited support for most video codecs, no support at all for audio pass thru, and very limited non-stereo audio options. If you want the equivalent of watching on your laptop it's good, but if you have better than stereo speakers, or a 4K TV that supports HDR10+ or Dolby Vision, AppleTV can't compete except for the big name streaming services that have special tvOS privileges/integration.
          • joney_baloney12 minutes ago
            FWIW, I have no trouble playing any of my alternatively sourced media, 4K Dolby Vision included, using an app called Infuse. Pass-through audio may indeed be an issue for some lossless surround formats, or at least that's what it sounded like the last I looked into it some years ago. I don't have the right room to set up surrounds so it's stereo only over here anyway. But that said I love the app, lovely interface, etc.
          • zimpenfish40 minutes ago
            > a 4K TV that supports HDR10+ or Dolby Vision, AppleTV

            You can play HDR10+ 4K on Apple TV using Infuse[0] (and whatever DLNA server you want to stand up with your content.)

            [0] Since 2017, apparently.

          • Hamuko32 minutes ago
            I stream all of my own content with an Apple TV and Plex just fine. I don't know what problems you've had there. It even handles exotic stuff like Hi10P h.264.
        • iJohnDoean hour ago
          What makes the Apple TV desirable? It’s $185. Why would I choose it over a Roku $30 or Ultra $80?
          • joney_baloney8 minutes ago
            High end model is $150 (US). Very fast and yes Apple gets some of your info but it's not getting resold to advertisers and 3rd parties. Generally speaking doesn't require adware to keep the price low.
          • Hamuko32 minutes ago
            It's a lot faster.
  • TuringNYC3 hours ago
    I love the NVIDIA Shield as a technical product...but...I really wish they spent some effort on User Experience.
    • aaravchenan hour ago
      Search a bit and you'll find how to install Projectivity/Projectivy Launcher that's way way better. For bonus points and a lot snapper functionality you can go the extra mile and use adb to remove the old Google Launcher and the related bloatware.
    • JoeBOFH2 hours ago
      If memory serves the launcher/ui is out of their control. It is GoogleTVs launcher and they are forced to use it.
    • j452 hours ago
      It should be possible to install a alternative launcher that is preferable.

      The reality though, is that there's likely bigger fish being chased.

  • raggi2 hours ago
    I love my shield, it’s been a staple.

    If they wanted to really knock it out the park, the next step would be a steamos port with DRM support.

    • drnick1an hour ago
      DRM is anti-consumer malware, so I hope not.

      There are other ways to source videos than paying a monthly fee forever for something that you will never own.

    • Mindwipe2 hours ago
      Unless Valve are going to do some work to enable that and support a hardware backed chain of trust for drivers that's not going to happen.

      (I think it should happen but that's not the same as that it will.)

    • j452 hours ago
      It could be really interesting if they used a fraction of the tech they have or recently stopped using that could still fit here well.
  • g0510513 hours ago
    My Nvidia Shield Portable is sad to hear this. They updated it to Lollipop 5.1 and then killed it. Pretty much useless now.
    • joshstrange3 hours ago
      That was such a cool device. Running emulators on it was a blast. When I got my Steam Deck it immediately reminded me of the Nvidia Shield Portable.
  • pier253 hours ago
    What a new model would need is more compat with DV and better software. Get rid of the Android ads. Add better frame rate matching. Etc.
  • DustinBrett2 hours ago
    It's sad how few competitors have come out in a decade.
  • junon3 hours ago
    My shield bricked itself after just a few months, so YMMV on this. No rhyme or reason why.
    • dilfred3 hours ago
      Mine did as well after an update but thankfully i was within the return/replace window at bestbuy. Ive just never updated it (5 years) and it’s been awesome to use with jellyfin and streaming games from the pc.
  • zdw4 hours ago
    Shield TV + extra storage + HDHomeRun tuner is still a great device for getting OTA TV.

    The only downside is that more recent versions use the Google Android TV launcher which is filled with a garbage truck full of ads, often for things I would never want to watch (horror movies? Nope!). Yes you can replace the launcher, but that's a pain.

    Would love to pay more for a device that has updated codec support, no ads or tracking, and is basically identical.

    • Forgeties793 hours ago
      If plex was smart they’d sell a little box of their own and ditch all this faux-social media nonsense they’re slowly implementing. I do not care at all what my friends are watching. Not one bit. Just make it connect to servers. People are happy to pay for it clearly. How many beelinks have been sold just to run Jellyfin/Plex? I’d gladly buy a plex box for $100 - talk about a great Christmas present for friends and family!

      Sidebar: I like Jellyfin but it is nowhere as turnkey as Plex. Otherwise I’d advocate for that too. That being said, I am slowly trying to get mine nice and stable and user-friendly because the way Plex is going does not give me great confidence about the next 2 to 3 years. But at least right now, it is by far the best experience out there.

    • add-sub-mul-div2 hours ago
      I wanted to do this and got a Shield last year but returned it because of a live TV bug with the Android Plex client. The programming guide stopped working and could only be fixed by restarting the app, but on Android quitting to the home screen keeps the app running and you can't force quit without going into menus. Sadly that's the OS and changing a launcher didn't fix it.
      • aaravchenan hour ago
        Actually you can double tap the home button on your remote to see all apps currently running, and can then click the close button on any one of them.

        Google TV apps leak memory like a sieve, so it's pretty common to need to manually close all other apps to make the one you're trying to use work. Even !y wife just dies of now as soon as any one of the apps starts acting up.

    • nickthegreek3 hours ago
      replacing launcher is gonna take you 10-15mins. 30 max if you aren’t a complete fool.
      • cf100clunk3 hours ago
        Projectivy has turned out to be my favourite launcher for the Shield TV after trying a bunch. It displays only the things I want to see, and has a great deal of options.
        • muwtyhg2 hours ago
          A million times this. I was so frustrated with how slow and ad-laden the default Shield launcher was. When I got it, it had no ads and was really snappy. Changing over to Projectivy (or any custom launcher really) fixed so many issues and made the device snappy again.
      • zdw3 hours ago
        Oh, I've seen instructions, most of them start with "enable dev mode, then use adb to run ton of inscrutable commands that may or may not break the system over time".

        Overall, it seems like a recipe to end up in an unknown state where you can no longer easily get updates and the only recovery is to wipe the system.

        I've seen similar methods to "Clean up Windows 11", and it always seems like you're just putting the device into an unknown state. A few ads you can become blind to is not as bad as a totally broken system.

        • aaravchen43 minutes ago
          It does seem sketchy, but you can kind of guess what it's cleaning based on the name in the uninstall command. I just skim down to the section that says it's for removing the launcher and reqd those, then run only a few. The upside of the launcher thing is that you can setup a new default launcher and use it for a while without doing any adb. That let's you verify it's working for you first. And when you do finally remove the Google one, a lit if the ad and nloatware stuff no longer runs in the background even if you haven't removed it, so it's abh8ge perf0rmance benefit.
        • cf100clunk3 hours ago
          If you are uncomfortable with ADB on the CLI, you can look up the subject ''Debloat++ Shield TV'' as discussed in XDA Forums' Shield TV subforum for how to use an app for that.
      • rigrassm2 hours ago
        Throwing in my recommendation for the ultra minimalist Flauncher.
  • tempest_4 hours ago
    Now if only they would release an updated one.
    • sergiotapia4 hours ago
      I thought about this but what would it have that is missing? Hardware decoding for newer codec like AV1 is one thing, but what else?

      I have two of these one in my living room and one in my bedroom. They are the best devices for playing pirate Emby servers 4k Remuxes with dolby vision and dolby audio support direct play.

      A refresh comes out I'm not sure I would buy one.

      • protimewaster2 hours ago
        They're missing support for newer codecs and current WiFi standards, can't decode Dolby Vision FEL, and, unless something had changed recently, they don't keep up on security updates (even if they are pushing out other updates).

        I suspect the last point would be true even if they launched new hardware, though.

        • aaravchen39 minutes ago
          Also the current hardware has lots of overheating problems that hugely affect performance (you have to re-paste the heat sink to the CPU after only 2 years), and thier Bluetooth antenna is so awful it makes Bluetooth controllers for gaming completely unusable due to lag from lost/dropped packets (and the remote constantly disconnect and reconnect randomly).
      • Y-bar4 hours ago
        In addition to hardware support for more modern codecs, USB C seems to be an easy upgrade, it would also benefit from being able to detect frame rate to auto-switch for the HDMI (this likely needs hardware support).
      • mscrivo4 hours ago
        WPA3 support for one would be nice, so I don't have to create a separate, insecure, SSID just for it.
      • 0xy4 hours ago
        More horsepower would be nice. More connectivity.

        But I think most importantly: confirmation that this isn't a dead end product.

        • pdntspa2 hours ago
          You mean "finished", as in complete
  • titaniumrain4 hours ago
    honestly, shield tv changed how i interact with my tv and my opinion about Android TV (even though its market sucks)
    • j454 hours ago
      It is how Android should be across all devices.
  • 2OEH8eoCRo04 hours ago
    It's ironic that Nvidia before becoming a behemoth had the money for this kind of device.
    • j454 hours ago
      They have been a public company for over 20 years.
      • 2OEH8eoCRo04 hours ago
        Look at their valuation for those 20 years compared to today. What was their valuation 10 years ago?
        • j454 hours ago
          Oh, I'm familiar with the valuation.

          They were able to build this device and provide a Android TV certified 4K device that didn't need to have planned obsoleteness.

          • 2OEH8eoCRo04 hours ago
            Yes. And it's ironic that they can do this ten years ago but can't be bothered to make a new one today. I guess the old one still works well enough and people buy it though which the article states.

            Feels like a reverse Bell Labs approach. They find their cash cow and only invest in their cash cow rather than research new product areas and fields.

            • alt2273 hours ago
              Its not ironic, its perfect business sense. 10 years ago they gave a shit about gamers and streamers as they were their main market. Now its all about AI server hardware, and they are fighting off international mega clients who all want to secure their chip output for years to come.

              Why would Nvidia give 2 hoots about a living room streaming box now?

              • j452 hours ago
                Streaming games as well.

                They do seem to keep building devices for individual use, if not for home, like their new workstation at home for computers.

              • Krutonium3 hours ago
                Because having all your eggs in one basket (GPUs), especially when that basket is artificially huge and likely to crumble, (AI Bubble), is a TERRIBLE idea?
            • tverbeure3 hours ago
              > rather than research new product areas and field

              Google “Gsync Pulsar”.

              • alt2273 hours ago
                This is just being released now, which probably means its been in the R&D pipeline for the last few years. I would wager this is last gamer feature tech that Nvidia develops for quiter a while.
            • j452 hours ago
              Maybe it's working fine enough for their uses?

              I think they had done a minor hardware refresh, at the time it came out it was pretty powerful compared to the underpowered alternatives, plus the promise of pure Android TV on it.

          • Mindwipe2 hours ago
            I mean the main reason it exists is because. Nvidia spent a bunch of money designing and fabbing the Tegra for automotive use and nobody bought it so the project was desperate to find a customer rather than out of the goodness of their hearts. That's also why they sold it to Nintendo at a bargain basement price for the Switch.

            I strongly suspect the reality is that they had to give Nintendo so much money back due to the complete failure of the bootloader security that they still produce the Shield as Jensen still demands they claw their way back to break even.