49 pointsby SilverElfin5 hours ago6 comments
  • swed42030 minutes ago
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    I wonder what effect (if any) it would have to alter HN so that flagged posts include a list of usernames that flagged the post. Surely nobody would be ashamed of their flagging behavior.

    Additionally/alternatively, you could even AI-summarize their post histories to display similarities in other sentiments.

  • xiphias24 hours ago
    I don't know the details but it looks like one side says obstruction, which is something physical, the other side says freedom of speech, which is non-physical act.

    If there is video evidence it should be easy to decide for the court.

    • hoten4 hours ago
      You missed that a judge denied the arrest warrant for Don (while approving some others) citing insufficient evidence. Govt appealed, appeals court denied again. They arrest him anyways.
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      • xiphias22 hours ago
        I see, I found a video about it, actually it was not a protest, I thought people were outside the church, but they went inside.

        https://youtu.be/s7jsQKRoNEY?si=gmHgnnxBrbgXR525

        It was clearly not a protest but obstruction by others. And he was not taking part of the obstruction, just documenting it.

        I can understand DOJ charging him with conspiracy if he took part of the planning, but arrasting him was probably not needed (whether conspiracy took part or not), as he didn't seem to disrupt the church.

        • aftbitan hour ago
          FACE covers "physical" obstruction or threats of violence or force. Standing in the room and yelling is not physical obstruction, and none of what was yelled was threatening violence. Regardless, Don Lemon himself didn't take part in any of that - he just went there to film it.

          The DOJ just wants to scare people out of protesting or reporting on crimes, score some points with their religious base, and "own the libs" by turning the FACE act around, probably in retaliation for the (IMO overcharging) of the "Pro Life Grandmother" aka Paula “Paulette” Harlow:

          >“[The defendants] forcefully entered the clinic and set about blockading two clinic doors using their bodies, furniture, chains, and ropes,” the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia said.

    • pixl974 hours ago
      >easy to decide for the court.

      This is the kind of crap minorities always have to put up with in the US. Cops can arrest you for things that are absolutely against the law and have you prove your innocence. It doesn't matter what the court thinks at Trump will field a huge range of lawyers to ensure the process is as painful as possible. His idea of justice is if you piss off the king he should have the right to behead you.

    • IAmBroom2 hours ago
      > If there is video evidence it should be easy to decide for the court.

      How charmingly naive: the courts will follow the law in deciding.

  • SilverElfin5 hours ago
    > Lemon livestreamed a demonstration earlier this month that interrupted a church service in St. Paul, Minnesota, protesting President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown in the area. He said he was at the demonstration to cover it as a journalist.

    > In an unusual move that drew a rebuke from the chief federal judge in Minnesota, Patrick Schiltz, the Justice Department filed emergency applications to get Schiltz and then the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals to overrule the magistrate judge. Schiltz told prosecutors that if they disagreed with a magistrate judge's decision, they must instead seek an indictment from a grand jury in order to arrest Lemon.

    > In a letter filed in court records, Schiltz wrote that Lemon and his producer "were not protestors at all."

    > "There is no evidence that those two engaged in any criminal behavior or conspired to do so," the chief judge wrote.

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        • IAmBroom2 hours ago
          What an obvious plant!
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      • SilverElfin5 hours ago
        What was omitted that you think should be said? I pulled out what I felt were the most important parts.
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  • guywithahat5 hours ago
    What's particularly remarkable is this is also a violation of the KKK Act, which basically requires organized conspiracy to prevent a class of people from worshiping. It'll be interesting to see how strongly they go against Don Lemon, given historically how strongly Biden went after J6 protesters.

    The quality of work Don does has gone down over the years but this was particularly stupid and pointless. Encouraging people to protest inside white churches feels deeply unproductive.

    • IAmBroom2 hours ago
      > It'll be interesting to see how strongly they go against Don Lemon, given historically how strongly Biden went after J6 protesters.

      Only a jackboot-lover would see strong similarities in peacefully protesting government actions, and violently attempting to overthrow Congress.

      > Encouraging people to protest inside white churches feels deeply unproductive.

      Wow, unabashedly racist, too.

  • airhangerf155 hours ago
    The church protest was cringe and garbage. I don't know what those people thought they were doing, but they basically turned even more people against them.

    This whole ICE thing is a psychological operation. It's media manipulation and all the people violently protesting are useful idiots falling for it, or they're feds in disguise instigating more violence to turn around and give more crackdowns.

    Don Lemon is one of the chosen media elites. He can sexually assault people and nothing happens. He's a terrible human being, but nothing will come from this. It's all smoke and mirror.

    Go outside and turn off your phones people.

    • SilverElfin5 hours ago
      Maybe what you are saying is true. But even then, personally, I find it disturbing that the Trump administration recently raided a Washington Post journalist and now they are arresting journalists. When I look at these events alongside Trump always attacking news outlets and how aggressively abusive the press secretaries are in their interaction with reporters, I see a big pattern of undermining the press.

      To me this arrest looks like lawfare. It looks like the administration abusing its power to violate the first amendment.

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    • krapp5 hours ago
      >This whole ICE thing is a psychological operation. It's media manipulation and all the people violently protesting are useful idiots falling for it, or they're feds in disguise instigating more violence to turn around and give more crackdowns.

      No, it's real. The media didn't make it up, the people in the streets aren't crisis actors. Sometimes things actually happen. Sometimes what the media reports on is actually real.

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    • gigatexal5 hours ago
      A Christian pastor is someone within ICE. Think about that. Then think about what Christ espoused and then try to reconcile those two chasms. To protest such irony and hypocrisy is the most American thing ever. If they had a gofundme for their legal fees I’d happily oblige.
      • Hendrikto5 hours ago
        LOL. You can say that about the whole country that claims to be god’s nation and espouse Christian valaues, while doing the exact opposite most of the time.
      • tastyfacean hour ago
        Whenever you point out the hypocricy of so-called MAGA Christians on this site, you get downvoted. Never any replies with a counterargument.

        I have to imagine it's people with a Christian identity who sense on some base level that this is all deeply wrong, but can't reconcile their politics with the actual tenants of their faith. So they just fume and try to hide the uncomfortable truth from view. (I say this as a Christian who is utterly aghast at the state of the country. At least the Catholic leadership has the right idea.)

      • jalapenoi4 hours ago
        Mass immigration didn’t exist back then and all the similar situations in the Bible are in a negative light or genocidal.
        • orwin4 hours ago
          Isn't the samaritain story ultimately just about that?
          • IAmBroom2 hours ago
            Pedantic backstory info: Samaritan with a capital "S", because it was an ethnic group of people (IIRC, an unpopular splinter sect of Judaism).
        • gigatexal4 hours ago
          Still the man they claim to follow welcomed the outsider. And some sects don’t even care or consider much of the Old Testament as much as they emphasize the New.
        • mcphage3 hours ago
          > Mass immigration didn’t exist back then

          What? No.

    • zingababba4 hours ago
      Someone with a brain on HN, remarkable.