15 pointsby Wilsoniumite10 days ago3 comments
  • adrian1710 days ago
    > Here’s the current price of silver. (…) People buy precious metals when they might be worried about the value of fiat currencies, like, I don’t know, the dollar.

    My (non-economist) understanding was that the silver price spikes were caused by supply issues (China export restrictions, tariffs) during rising demand (and speculation), and not by a rush to replace fiat? A bit surprised the author didn’t mention that at all.

    • Wilsoniumite10 days ago
      I'm not an economist either and definitely could be wrong, but my understanding of precious metals markets has been that they are mostly driven by speculative pressures rather than demand/supply ones, unlike most other commodities, which is why I framed it that way. Much more gold and silver sits in storage than is mined or used every year, so even a significant relative shift in production/use has little effect on the price.

      I have worked close to the trading floor at a financial institution, and there, precious metals are sometimes modeled more as currencies than as commodities for this reason.

      It's not necessarily a rush to replace fiat, people just like the idea of a safe asset whos scarcity is secured.

  • sgt10 days ago
    What does a crash mean though? I remember people talking for years about the 2008 crash, but to be honest I never noticed it, nor did most people I know. We just kinda read about in the newspaper.
    • mtsolitary10 days ago
      How old are you?
      • sgt10 days ago
        Dude I'm born in the 80s! I am well aware there was a crash but.. I cannot recall a single thing that affected me or anyone else I am close to. Note that I'm not in the US though.
        • IAmBroom9 days ago
          I note you are in South Africa.

          "South Africa entered its first recession in 17 years in late 2008.... with nearly one million jobs lost by 2009, pushing the unemployment rate to roughly 24%."

          That's 24% of your own country that you "are not close to", and therefore don't care about.

          Wow.

        • cahgnifop10 days ago
          You understand humanity is a community, right?

          Look outside yourself.

          It is very easy to find examples of many people who suffered as a result of the 2008 crash.

          • IAmBroom9 days ago
            Agreed.

            While I was jobless for 18 months, I met someone in the storage locker, late at night, who was SO EAGER to chat. Kept talking to me for an hour while I boxed and stored my junk that wouldn't fit in my tiny, cheap rental housing.

            I realized that the storage unit was heated, with unmetered power (if you rented a power-supplied unit) and a working restroom.

            He was so chatty because (I realized) he was living there. And desperate for social contact.

            I let him talk to me, because I'm not a solipsistic asshole who thinks the Great Recession of 2008 didn't affect people.

  • wesammikhail10 days ago
    You can be directionally right but still lose a whole lot of money as an investor for decades on end even when you're right about the eventual outcome. Predicting future outcomes is orders of magnitude easier than predicting the exact moment/timing. After all, "markets can stay irrational for far longer than you can stay solvent".

    This is why Burry, schiff, and a bunch of others keep predicting a collapse for decades on end. They're directionally right, they see a pattern but cant seem to time it right.

    My prediction: I think this clusterfuck will keep going until

    1. Unbearable irrationality: The US owes more money than there is money in the whole world. Measured using something like global M1 or M2 or something of that nature. Basically the system will need to reach a level of irrationality that even its biggest defenders can't cope with. OR,

    2. Demographics: Most boomers die of old age after raiding whatever remains of the treasury.

    Coincidentally, if my quick math is right, both of these scenarios are very likely to coincide within the next ~10 years or so. So make of that what you want...

    • fuzzfactor10 days ago
      Most boomers will have died of old age but it won't make much economic difference because they're overwhelmingly poor.

      Treasury's been broke for a while, their whole life in fact.

      Now a small fraction are so well off that there will be some sizable inheritances to be passed down, and that's kind of a crap-shoot as to how much of that might lead to any economic stimulus.

      Good call otherwise, 10 years or less sounds about right.