22 pointsby fnoefan hour ago15 comments
  • embedding-shapean hour ago
    Do you read a book just so you know what happens at the end, or because you like the journey there too? Do you read blog posts "just to know" or because you like reading?

    Sure, if you don't like reading, then it's great you don't have to. But personally I like to read, and be taken on an adventure by writers, that's why I read, I don't read just so I "know what happened".

    So everything remains the same, nothing has changed. Nothing been destroyed by AI, it only seems to have destroyed your own perspective.

    • fnoefan hour ago
      You don't get it. You, and I, are in the minority. How do you expect authors to keep writing, when the market will be, eventually, flooded by AI generated slop? It's the same with coding: I no longer see point to write OSS by hand, as every day, 10 projects appear on HN front page, that are 95.9% AI generated.

      Becoming a successful writer / musician, is already hard. With software, it was easier, but in my opinion, it will become hard as well. There will be individuals in the software development who are like Taylor Swift, because they know how LLMs work, and how to optimize them to squeeze one more KPI. The rest will just be nobodies.

      And sure, if you think you are an extraordinary person, or you were born in the right environment, then you probably don't have to worry. But I'm an average Joe, who wants to live an average Joe's life, but it's being taken away from me. And while the select few might have access to a live Taylor Swift performance, or a personal reading of the latest novel by a struggling author, the rest of us are going to be fed AI slop.

      • RiverCrochet19 minutes ago
        Flooded markets get bypassed. I see a future where real creatives simply don't post stuff online, and anything online is not trusted. What AI is going to kill is the Internet, not human creativity.
        • wellpast10 minutes ago
          Had the same thought but feels too overly optimistic.

          I don’t think people “internet” for trust, but for dopamine.

      • embedding-shapean hour ago
        I think you don't get it :) I've written more about how I see it being here: https://emsh.cat/good-taste/

        To repeat, I'm not worried. Making music might be easier than before, but having "Good Taste" isn't easier than before, it's still hard. And good stuff isn't just produced and made, they have decisions and choices behind them, and make the wrong ones, your thing ends up sucking.

        If you just care about average content then yes, you can probably live on slop. But do you want to? Because no one is forcing you, there is still high quality stuff out there, produced by people with good taste, and it'll remain like that forever.

        • fnoef41 minutes ago
          It's a good read, thanks for sharing. But the flaw in it, is the fact that you think that the world is built on merit, i.e. Good Taste, as you call it.

          And while sure, merit / good taste are important, but if you look at the mainstream it's filled with average. Now, from the consumer side you can claim "what do you care about the mainstream, just look for good taste, and you will find it", and I agree with you. But I do not speak about the consumer side, but rather the producer side. As a producer, I want to produce "good taste", but if there is very little demand for good taste things, I might struggle to sustain myself while producing based on merit.

          In the end, the reason enshittification exists, is because "good taste" stuff became too popular and the authors decided to capitalize on it (can't blame them when you have a mortgage to pay, and family to feed), and turn it into "mainstream crap".

          I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that creating good taste is not easy. And it will become even harder as the mainstream will expand and capture AI generated content, leaving people who believe in creation based on merit, fighting for the crumbs.

          • infecto12 minutes ago
            The world is built at a balance between good taste and good economics. AI slop is still slop. Reminds me when there were massive booms on outsourcing software to low cost labor markets. Most of the software born out of those markets was slop and not much different than what we see today. Good taste still matters in most work. I am pretty big proponent of AI but I don’t think AI can write a book that I enjoy. Similarly I don’t believe AI can write software end to end without a humans input of good taste. Sure you can brute force it but like those early years of outsourcing I bet it won’t be maintainable or well running.
          • embedding-shape15 minutes ago
            > But the flaw in it, is the fact that you think that the world is built on merit, i.e. Good Taste, as you call it.

            That's not a fact, because I never said this, nor is it in the article. What from the article made you believe that I think that?

            > but if there is very little demand for good taste things

            There isn't, there is huge demand for good things, and it'll only get higher as more people attempt to just produce shit things.

  • WillAdams7 minutes ago
    Remember that your perception of the past has been filtered by what survived Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) --- the problem is that this is now doubled with a layer of AI, so it's something like:

    90% of everything is AI-generated, of the 10% which is left, 90% of it is crap, leaving just 1% of articulate, interesting, well-crafted content.

    So, either work to create that 1% of interesting content, or filter/curate to find it.

    I will note that there is a _lot_ of interesting old work which has dropped off the radar --- Hermann Hesse's _Magister Ludi_/_The Glass Bead Game_ was a book which greatly inspired me in my youth (arguably, it's why I use programming tools such as: https://github.com/derkork/openscad-graph-editor ) --- read it?

  • cpt_sobel13 minutes ago
    > destroyed by AI: art, music, books

    Some people crave the connection to the human experience through your examples. And personally, I wouldn't care in the least about any "work of art" created by a model. A model could produce the sequel to Grapes of Wrath, but I wouldn't care, because what experience did it have to motivate it towards it?

    • MSFT_Edging9 minutes ago
      A model can generate an image of a room, but a model can't work off a sense of nostalgia visiting grandma to create a feeling of that room.

      A model can generate a dance song, but it cannot feel the bass in their chest to know why the bass is there.

      Art is about the human connection.

  • skybrian9 minutes ago
    To put this in perspective: AI stuff is about talking to ghosts. Yes, there are a lot of things ghosts can do, but they lack something due to being immaterial. Robots are still pretty limited.

    There are lot of maintenance chores that ClawdBot can't do. It's not going to cook for you, rake the leaves, shovel the snow off your sidewalk, or pressure-wash your steps. You can still find some satisfaction in doing these things.

    • fnoef3 minutes ago
      That’s my point. Technology is a dead end now. The only thing left to do is go back to doing mundane physical work in order to feed yourself.
  • mmarianan hour ago
    Sounds like you're getting burned out by too much hype-chasing. Follow your interests, and you'll always discover something that AI hasn't solved by itself. And keep in mind that people have always had these concerns whenever something new came along - photography, computers, etc.
    • fnoefan hour ago
      This is different. AI is not a "personal computer" or a "digital camera". AI is a change in perspective of our entire society, how it works, and what we define to be human or human-made creation. The end goal of AI is to abolish all work possible. In a world where there is no work for the common man, I'm afraid to imagine what is left there.
      • embedding-shapean hour ago
        > AI is a change in perspective of our entire society, how it works, and what we define to be human or human-made creation.

        There are two things you're mixing here.

        One is how others use AI, the other is how you use AI. No one forcing you to consume content made by AI that you think suck, just turn it off if you don't like it.

        Seems really doomsday-like to proclaim "The end goal of AI is to abolish all work possible" when that's not realistically feasible, regardless of what the AI-hypers say. Don't listen so much, and think more.

        • tbyehl10 minutes ago
          > just turn it off if you don't like it.

          How? Or do you mean, like, stop using the Internet entirely?

          • embedding-shape4 minutes ago
            Notice that it's bad/slop/shit, turn it off, do something else.

            If you don't notice it, then is it really an issue? And if you notice, you're one click/keypress away from making it disappear.

  • ilya-pi14 minutes ago
    I struggle to think this is not an advertisement written for ClawdBot, if so — please consider that ethics of this post is unclear.
    • fnoef7 minutes ago
      I just saw it recently and it made me depressed. Not affiliated and didn’t use it myself.
    • elric12 minutes ago
      What makes you think that?
      • GaryBluto10 minutes ago
        I'd say the fact that it mentions a relatively obscure project specifically.
        • ilya-pi3 minutes ago
          Yes, specifically this.
  • ml_visoftan hour ago
    Imho there are still tasks that can't be done by AI good enough. Wouldn't let clawbot handle my personal relationships. Not even scheduling a football [or dota2] game. Yet alone navigate job. So, maybe level up the goal post? Try do something not-easily-done by AI? Select from your fringe interests [if core is AI powered already]. Anyway, it is a relevant question these days.
  • paperplaneflyran hour ago
    Going to the example used thousands of times, maybe the horse drivers thought the same way, but guess what? now we have cars, race cars, super cars, flying cars. The engine kept changing, car markets kept evolving. People kept adapting. Adapting is the only way or the Penguin way :P
  • FrankWilhoitan hour ago
    The point is to cultivate the ability to distinguish between real and fake. Soon enough, that ability will be extremely rare, and for the people who really need it, nothing else will do.
  • the_jizzleran hour ago
    only thing left is... to take a sht

    Oh what I wouldn't give to push one out, you entitled pos -- AI.

  • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF12 minutes ago
    > How should people make money? No idea, as in the "prosperous future", everything is replaced by AI.

    If we taxed land ownership a la Georgism and then taxed negative externalities like pollution, we could give everyone UBI and probably kick back and take it easy for a bit.

    Of course this would require a global democratic mandate bigger than the world's ever seen, so I'm not waiting up on it.

    • fnoef2 minutes ago
      I predict global slavery to emerge sooner than UBI will become a reality. Call me a pessimist if you wish
  • jjgreenan hour ago
    No point, buy tinned food and head for the darkest part of the forest.
  • AnimalMuppet18 minutes ago
    > instead of building reliable software, managers seem to push people to use AI more, as long as they ship products.

    That can work for some things. Some things don't actually need reliability. That automated tool that's going to help a dozen people in accounting? Yeah, it's got a buffer overflow, which also can be used for a DOS attack, but who cares? (Unless someone like an AI exposes it to the internet...)

    For things where reliability does matter, AIs may be a fad for a couple of years, but it won't last, for exactly the reasons you mention. For a bunch of things, reliability really matters. For those places, you cannot be replaced by AI. Migrate to those places.

    That leaves the problem of the next couple years. You may need to look for places that understand, today, that reliability matters more than fast slop.

    > Why read a book, when you can just get AI summary of it?

    I mean... for books (and movies) that I'm mildly interested in but don't want to take N hours to wade through, I've been reading the Wikipedia summaries for a while. AI is here now, but I still go to Wikipedia, because I actually trust it more than the AI summary.

  • boxedan hour ago
    > Why read a blog post, when Google AI Summary can just give you the summary?

    Because the summary is often wrong, and the summary might not even be the point?

    > Why read a book, when you can just get AI summary of it?

    You've been able to read a good summary by a human for most books on Wikipedia for decades now.

  • worldsavioran hour ago
    People still appreciate human art. People don't appreciate AI art because it's fake. If you enjoy AI art, you're probably fake and have no appreciation. That's my take.

    Just remember that AI can not create art, it can only remember art. AI is not a human, AI is a probabilistic function.

    • kouteiheika5 minutes ago
      > If you enjoy AI art, you're probably fake and have no appreciation. That's my take.

      I enjoy AI art. I don't enjoy AI slop. There's a fundamental difference between the two. It's true that the Internet is flooded with low-effort AI slop, but AI is just a tool like any other, and you can create real art with it. It just takes skill.

      Here's an experiment: try visiting CivitAI's featured images page[1] and then tell me with a straight face that you'd classify none of those images as art.

      [1] - https://civitai.com/images