191 pointsby adamnemecek8 hours ago15 comments
  • abetusk8 hours ago
    Anna's Archive [0]:

    > The largest truly open library in human history

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive

  • crazygringo5 hours ago
    Remember that preview functionality is granted by contract with the publishers. Which is why some books have it and some books don't.

    Almost certainly, this is something that publishers requested the removal of, under threat of requiring previews to be removed entirely.

    Books that are out of copyright still have full search and display enabled.

    So blame publishers, not Google.

    • abetusk3 hours ago
      I will blame overlong copyright term lengths. 70 years after authors death or 95 years after publication, allowing most recent work to enter the commons effectively after a century, or more, from now [0].

      [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_St...

      • Analemma_3 hours ago
        This is the rare case when Europe is even worse. Metropolis, the 1927 Fritz Lang film, is out of copyright in the United States but will still be in copyright in Germany until 2047: 120 fucking years.

        It’s preposterous, and offensive to anyone’s intelligence to claim that this is about incentivizing production; does anyone seriously believe there is a potential artist out there who would avoid making their magnum opus if it could only be under copyright for 119 years?

        • antonvs29 minutes ago
          The problem is, copyright law is no longer about artists, if it ever was: it’s about corporations, i.e. maximizing the value corporations can extract from intellectual property.

          This post which was on the front page today is relevant: https://alexwennerberg.com/blog/2026-01-25-slop.html

    • tamarinddreams4 hours ago
      Given the argument over LLMs consuming books illegally, I think publishers could be a little concerned that an LLM that combined partial previews on every modern work on a subject might be a destroyer of the market for the average book on the subject with the license to do so having been properly granted via this feature.
    • adamnemecek5 hours ago
      The previews are still there though, they just don't rank.
      • crazygringo4 hours ago
        Right, that's what I'm saying. For whatever reason it seems publishers decided they don't want their preview-only books as part of the full-text search across all books. If they decide that, Google has to comply.

        This isn't like web search where web pages are publicly available and so Google can return search results across whatever it wants. For books, it relies on publisher cooperation to both supply book contents for indexing under license and give permissions for preview. If publishers say to turn off search, Google turns off search.

  • al_borland8 hours ago
    It might be time to update the mission statement.

    “Our mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful”

    https://about.google/company-info/

    • tick_tock_tick5 hours ago
      Why it's almost certainly not by choice.
    • zb37 hours ago
      * for us, advertisers and our AI models
      • ern_ave7 hours ago
        My guess is that AI training is the main issue.

        Data that you can prove was generated by humans is now exceedingly valuable ...and most of that comes from the days before LLMs. The situation is a bit like how steel manufactured before the nuclear age is valuable.

        • adamnemecek7 hours ago
          But why would people train on excerpts from Google Books when whole books can be downloaded on libgen and such?
  • Terr_41 minutes ago
    Among the less-important things I'd like to send back in time to my past self:

    "Book pages will eventually get harder and harder to find with time, keep your own digital copies of everything you like to quote."

  • Zathman3 hours ago
    I just checked and yes, search inside of books with previews is still possible.

    (a) when you search books.google.com and find a book with a preview, it opens their new book viewer - the search is at the bottom of the page. You can also click "View All" to see all references of your search in that book.

    (b) if you go to the book homepage (clicking X in the top right of the book viewer if that opened), there's still a "Search Inside Book" next to the "Preview" button under the title.

    • adamnemecek3 hours ago
      But you have to know what book you are looking for.
  • pfdietz4 hours ago
    So, if you search for some text that occurs at the end of one chunk, will it then preview a following chunk? And could chaining these chunks give you the entire book?

    If so, I could see someone doing this to exfiltrate books.

    • crazygringo4 hours ago
      You're talking about in-book search (TFA is about search across all books), and yes that was indeed once a known technique for extracting whole or nearly whole books.

      That's why publishers responded by excluding sections of books from search (it will list the pages but you can't view them), and individual Google accounts became limited in how many extra pages they were ever allowed to see of an individual book beyond the standard preview pages.

      But then LibGen, Z-lib, and Anna's Archive became popular and built up their collections...

  • didip5 hours ago
    Google Books could have been a subscription service ala Netflix.

    Then it would have been hella useful.

  • xorsula18 hours ago
    My guess is they detected being scraped and did this as preventive measure.
    • Andrex6 hours ago
      My guess is they're cozier with publishers now than 20 years ago when they fought all the way to SCOTUS.

      "Hey, remove search?"

      "OK, it was costing money anyways."

    • breppp7 hours ago
      my guess is that the copyright landscape changed due to AI training, and these publishers won't let Google use that data anymore
      • adamnemecek7 hours ago
        The books are still there, it seems like the rankings have changed though.
    • londons_explore5 hours ago
      If search gives you a preview with a few surrounding words, it is fairly simple to abuse search with quotation marks to extract bigger and bigger sections of the books, potentially till you have the whole book.
  • bryanrasmussen7 hours ago
    Since I pretty much only use Google Books for public domain books, old magazines, and newspapers I haven't noticed any problem with it. Maybe it's not as dead as this person thinks.
    • mikestew6 hours ago
      This was addressed in the post, I'm sure you just missed it when you read it:

      "But a few days ago they removed ALL search functions for any books with previews, which are disproportionately modern books." <emphasis mine>

      • bryanrasmussen2 hours ago
        right, my point was just because what they use it for is now useless mine isn't and personally I think mine is more useful.
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    • adamnemecek7 hours ago
      No the search results went from pretty good to absolute garbage https://bsky.app/profile/adamnemecek.bsky.social/post/3mdbup...
  • mystraline8 hours ago
    Thats easy.

    Check out library genesis, Anna's archive, and scihub for content.

    Piracy isnt theft if buying isnt ownership.

    • GorbachevyChase6 hours ago
      Ironic those doing the most for making information open and accessible are the criminals.
    • kevin423 hours ago
      I’m genuinely curious how you feel about LLMs being trained on pirated material. Not being snarky here.

      Your comment reflects the old “information wants to be free” ideals that used to dominate places like HN, Slashdot, and Reddit. But since LLMs arrived, a lot of the loudest voices here argue the opposite position when it comes to training data.

      I’ve been trying to understand whether people have actually changed their views, or whether it’s mostly a shift in who is speaking up now.

      • spongebobstoes2 hours ago
        why would that change anything? copyright is still a tax on the whole of society for the benefit of rich people and corporations. it opposes innovation, evolution and progress

        maybe a short copyright would be fine (10 year fixed?) but copyright as-is seems indefensible to me

      • gbear6052 hours ago
        Personally, I'd like for copyright to be abolished, and then for LLM training to be made illegal for reasons entirely unrelated to copyright.
    • adamnemecek8 hours ago
      None of these does full text search.
      • jszymborski8 hours ago
        And they are under constant threat by nation states. sci-hub hasn't seen new papers in ages.
      • greenavocado8 hours ago
        Build a local index
        • adamnemecek8 hours ago
          My problem is finding references I don't know about.
      • droopyEyelids8 hours ago
        • clueless6 hours ago
          I'd wonder if you'd ever consider putting up a downloadable mirror of their full-text search db?
        • adamnemecek8 hours ago
          Huh, the search is not amazing but it will have to do. Thanks! Are there others?
          • teraflop7 hours ago
            The Internet Archive supports full-text search on (AFAIK) its entire scanned book collection, even books that aren't available for borrowing.
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  • ChrisArchitect7 hours ago
    Title is: Google has seemingly entirely removed search functionality from most books on Google Books
  • adamnemecek8 hours ago
    The change happened on or around Jan 21. Overnight the results went from pretty good to absolute trash.

    Here are two screenshots taken on Jan 20 and Jan 23 https://bsky.app/profile/adamnemecek.bsky.social/post/3mdbup...

    They don't do full text search anymore esp for copyrighted books. I wonder if this is not a regression but an intent to give them a let up in the AI race.

    • toephu26 hours ago
      Yup, it's for AI.

      Similarly, a year ago or so ChatGPT could summarize YouTube videos. Google put a stop to that so now only Gemini can summarize YouTube videos.

      • AJ0074 hours ago
        The YT transcripts are linked to on the YT page itself. If they remove that, it is trivial to use a local STT model to transcribe the video. If they make it impossible to download a video, you could just have a microphone record all of the sound, and so on. Once you have the transcription of anything, summarizing is trivial. I have a local script that does this and I use it all of the time. Also produce diagrams for YT summaries. Hours saved, per day.
    • jeffbee7 hours ago
      It isn't obvious why the left results are preferred over the right results.
      • advisedwang7 hours ago
        The left results are contemporary, the right are decades old. That includes editions of the same book --- surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.
        • jeffbee7 hours ago
          I guess. That's not immediately clear to me. However, browsing around on Google Books suggests to me that it is the corpus which changed, not the algorithms.
          • adamnemecek7 hours ago
            The corpus is still the same, like searching the name of the book will find it, but the full text search.
        • thaumasiotes6 hours ago
          > surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.

          Why? Where different editions exist, the reader will want to know which one they're getting, but they're unlikely to systematically prefer newer editions.

          But also, Google Books isn't aimed at "readers". You're not supposed to read books through it. It's aimed at searchers. Searchers are even less likely to prefer newer editions.

          • gjm114 hours ago
            > they're unlikely to systematically prefer newer editions

            That seems wrong to me. Generally when a new edition of something is put out it's (at least nominally) because they've made improvements.

            ("At least nominally" because it may happen that a publisher puts out different editions regularly simply because by doing so they can get people to keep buying them -- e.g., if some university course uses edition E of book B then students may feel that they have to get that specific edition, and the university may feel that they have to ask for the latest edition rather than an earlier one so that students can reliably get hold of it, so if the publisher puts out a new edition every year that's just different for the sake of being different then that may net them a lot of sales. But I don't think it's true for most books with multiple editions that later ones aren't systematically better than earlier ones.)

  • pessimizer5 hours ago
    Google Books is long dead. If you click on the author's name in one of the results, it will search inauthor:"Author's Name" and this search will return garbage because it chokes on double quotes. This has been true for at least a couple of years; Google Books is not compatible with itself. Changing the double quotes to single quotes fixes it. Also, lately, when you filter only for books that have Full View some results that have Full View get dropped for no intelligible reason.

    Nobody is looking at it. I wouldn't be surprised if the preview search was switched off by accident.

    For me Books is only useful (and it is very useful) for books out of copyright, 100+ years old. Sometimes they aren't at archive.org.

    I hate Google, but I think it's a bit absurd to criticize them on this if somehow it's over AI. The only reason Google created Books may even have been AI, but they were hoping to have the books open to everyone, and the publishers and authors whose full text is being blocked are literally the people who stopped it from happening. Maybe they spoke up about AI, too. I find it even hard to even criticize that Google doesn't take care of Books - it has no purpose or profit potential for them anymore, it's obviously charity that they don't take it down completely.

  • kingstnap8 hours ago
    My guess: Text search and indexing is expensive. And you are getting some kind of AI vector search instead.

    Which tends to be kind of poop compared to true text search.

    • storystarling5 hours ago
      I suspect it's actually the opposite. Standard inverted index text search is incredibly cheap and mature. Vector search requires generating embeddings and running approximate nearest neighbor queries, which is significantly more compute intensive than simple keyword matching. If they switched, it wasn't to save on compute costs.