49 pointsby walz4 hours ago19 comments
  • comrade12346 minutes ago
    We have places in Zurich where anyone can spray (I'm sure most cities have designated areas like this) but they still come out into the neighborhoods and do it. Its usually in areas with poor refugee/subsidized housing but the people doing the graffiti are local young swiss, making areas where they don't live shittier.
  • jasonkester3 hours ago
    I live near Paris, and it's a shame to see this sort of thing on every surface here. It's so easy and effortless to trash the look of a place, and so much effort and pain to get it back to a presentable state. It just seems hopeless trying to stop it.

    Sure, you can point to examples of graffiti that don't look all that bad, and I imagine some examples can even be considered to improve the look of a space. But taking this site as a random sample, the "good" ones are a vanishing minority. For every subtle Invader mosaic high on a building, you get dozens of effortless name tags that just wreck the look of a place.

    Adding frustration is the fact that there's no way to effectively dissuade people from doing this. You don't want to fine, jail or otherwise ruin the lives of thousands of kids to get them to stop. You just want them to stop spraypainting shit. It's really the only example I can think of where I'd support some form of corporal punishment. Catch kids in the act, 20 lashes in the town square to convince them not to do it again, then set them to work with a wire brush until they can demonstrate that it's back to the state they found it. Even still, I can't imagine it would really do much to dissuade.

    It's a shame.

    • mahrainan hour ago
      One of the most startling differences between Chinese and European cities is the lack of grafitti in China. I wonder if it's explained by laws, norms, enforcement?
      • brador31 minutes ago
        It’s explained by punishment.
        • direwolf2024 minutes ago
          If you execute everyone who commits a misdemeanor, crime rates are extremely low.
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    • s_dev3 hours ago
      I think there is a lot of nuance here. Just as councils and developers can construct ugly buildings artists can also add ugly work to walls.

      I agree there is a spectrum. On one hand you've Banksy or Basquiat adding to a flat grey wall and creating art that has a political voice or some artistic merit and the other you've some twat scribbling hate symbols on a historic monument. I don't have on ideas on how we can ensure one and not the other though.

    • rimbo7893 hours ago
      I like graffiti - even random tags over blank walls because it’s a sign people are truly living and breathing in a space.

      As long as there have been walls there has been graffiti. Spaces without graffiti are artificial and antiseptic.

      • bigDinosaur3 hours ago
        Graffiti on things like trees (e.g. in urban parks) is awful and trees are the opposite of artificial and antiseptic. The main problem with graffiti is that most of it is made without thought or consideration, and that never ends well.
        • direwolf2020 minutes ago
          Yes, I think they should avoid covering other works of art, nature, information signs, and windows. But blank space should be fair game.
      • ZpJuUuNaQ5an hour ago
        I hate graffiti - it's an awful eyesore. But to each their own, I guess...
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    • komali22 hours ago
      No accounting for taste, but, graffiti is important whether it's aesthetically pleasing or not.

      https://ancientgraffiti.org/Graffiti/

      Graffiti is a population's expression of ownership of their city. It's a very common form of countercultural resistance and therefore an important relief valve. It's a way for anyone to express themselves on their environment. A city only has value because it's occupied by many people, and those people need to express their autonomy and quite literally "leave their mark."

      Not to mention, it's lovely to be connected to a common thread of humanity over literal millenia. Just as I scrawled onto a bathroom stall in 2005 "Cameron takes it up the bum," so too did Salvius write of his friend on a wall in the House of the Citharist in the year 79, "Amplicatus, I know that Icarus is buggering you. Salvius wrote this."

      • ZpJuUuNaQ5an hour ago
        >It's a very common form of countercultural resistance and therefore an important relief valve. It's a way for anyone to express themselves on their environment.

        So, what are these random scribblers resisting, exactly? It's like saying that defecating on the street is a form of self-expression and "leaving their mark". Even if it is, do we really need to tolerate it?

        >Not to mention, it's lovely to be connected to a common thread of humanity over literal millenia.

        There is nothing lovely about seeing all this garbage littering the walls of public buildings and historical finds do not justify this behaviour.

        • direwolf2022 minutes ago
          Resisting the ideology that only people with money can alter the city environment.

          When you see an impressive sculpture or skyscraper you know a lot of resources were spent, you know the rich people here are rich. When you see an area with lots of graffiti, there may be many good or bad things about it, but you know the citizens are free.

          I would hope graffitiers have respect to only draw on the mundane parts of the city, not on cool sculptures. And in my experience, that is true. Also they should not obscure windows or information signs.

      • akomtuan hour ago
        I suspect it's not the population's expression of ownership, but simply gangs marking their territory.
  • greeniskool2 hours ago
    Having a bit of a cultural shock at how English doesn't have a separate name for the "cruder" graffiti (such as tags) vs the more socially accepted street art. The former is typically called "pichação" [1] in Portuguese, and I was taught this distinction when learning about modern art movements back in elementary school.

    [1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picha%C3%A7%C3%A3o - I recommend looking into a machine translated version of the Portuguese Wikipedia article, as the English Wikipedia article reads far more biased

    • garbawarban hour ago
      Is "street art" not the name? Like how "comics" are low but "graphic novels" are respectable.
    • kingkawnan hour ago
      English does, and definitely invented it before the rest of the world caught on to this culture. Try watching “Wild Style” from 1983, documenting some of the earliest beefs between the types of graffiti artists. Portuguese speakers did not invent this distinction.

      Throw ups are the quick ones and Pieces are the long ones.

  • InMice3 hours ago
    Cool, but why lay out the images in such an annoying way? Whatever happened to simple, functional photo galleries? I miss them.
    • guerrilla3 hours ago
      It works great on mobile. That's more than I can say for most things.
      • InMice2 hours ago
        Turn your phone to landscape, does it sitll work for you? Or are you stuck viewing only the top half of the images and unable to scroll down.

        Side scrolling in portrait is not my opinion of working great. It does work to view them at least. Youre trapped in a vertical scroll, no way to get back to the beginning but scroll all the way back.

  • rib3yean hour ago
    I’m the early 2000s I worked as an assistant producer on a San Francisco graffiti documentary featuring several of these artists

    https://youtu.be/7Ub8uRFzUCQ

  • mergyan hour ago
    Lasercats that was briefly on the old theatre on Divisadero remains a favorite. This was like 15 years ago.

    https://mergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/xndqw-full.jpg

  • walthamstowan hour ago
    As an aside, the Financial Times (yes, that one) did a great interview a couple of years ago with prolific London graff artist 10FOOT.

    The comments were predictably howling with rage and injustice ("he's a criminal!!", says employee of cartel laundry HSBC), but I enjoyed it a lot.

    https://www.ft.com/content/45a184ee-b7d9-4c16-b1c2-71def32cc...

    • xnorswap28 minutes ago
      He is indeed incredibly prolific, anyone taking a train around london will recognise 10FOOT.

      But he is not an artist, he literally just tags 10Foot in what could be described as looking like it was done with a marker pen.

      something like this is very typical: https://ldngraffiti.co.uk/graffiti/writers/flash?pic=152931&...

      I enjoy good graffiti, but 10FOOT does not fall into that category.

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  • s_dev3 hours ago
    Fascinating, I do love street art and tastefully done graffiti. Some of it is obnoxious. I think it does add to the character of a city e.g. New York, Berlin, Montreal, Paris all have some amazing work etc.

    I submit Irish Graffiti I see here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Graifiti/

    Though I think displaying these things as a map is more useful: https://streetartcities.com/cities/sanfrancisco

    There is a an Irish artist called Dan Leo and I have bought lots of his prints. https://www.danleodesign.com/ so they are dotted around my office and home.

    I think they're great! He does animals and I love the style, clean lines and bright colours, they remind me of US football team logos.

    • Gigachad3 hours ago
      I'm probably the minority where I don't mind any graffiti, quality or not. As long as it isn't horribly offensive or impacting the functionality of something (over signs/glass/etc). Think I just prefer the look of a wall covered in even shitty tags and pasted posters over a completely blank slate.

      I particularly love seeing peoples stickers about.

  • ghuroo13 hours ago
    I like the concept, wish it was a vertical scroll with some safe margins between each picture (also to give them more stage time and removing the noise/distraction from many pictures stitched together)
  • defrost3 hours ago
    As a suggestion,

    * Orientation - some images are sideways,

    * Option to walk through by date order, and by location ...

    There is an audience for the time ordered flux of images on particular sites (at least in Australia).

  • themarkan hour ago
    I scrolled pretty far and didnt see Borf in there. Was that Web 2.0 ?
  • mvellandi2 hours ago
    This collection is a bit ordinary and unremarkable. There are many great large format, new/used print books on street art
    • tiezean hour ago
      That is arguably the point. They are taken from the SF city website and are placed in arbitrary order. I personally love this unfiltered take.

      There's more to get from these than just aesthetics, precisely because they're not curated.

  • JKCalhoun2 hours ago
    Some of these are great.

    I expect the mundane "wildstyle" tagging on train cars but have been surprised a few times to see trains roll through town with much more complex graffiti. I'm happy to see examples of some of that more artful work in this post.

    If you've seen the film, "Brother From Another Planet" you might look at graffiti a little differently as I do. :-)

  • wumms4 hours ago
    Would have looked further, but scroll wheel finger cramped. Keyboard nav would be great.
    • kg3 hours ago
      Enabling the browser's scrollbar would also be good.
  • threethirtytwoan hour ago
    Beautiful and disgusting at the same time.

    It’s vandalizing public property in the same way that human shit vandalizes a lot of public property in SF. I don’t know which one is worse. One can be beautiful, the other is done because he has no choice.

    For graffiti I’m in support of lashing or whipping the people that do this. It’s effective in Singapore. But then we lose all this great public art.

    • direwolf2018 minutes ago
      If they're not covering windows, signs or art, what is being vandalized? A blank slab of concrete performs its function equally well no matter the color.
  • metalman3 hours ago
    If graffiti changed anything it would be illegal.

    It's ok

    • direwolf2018 minutes ago
      It is illegal. It gives the population the idea they have the right to alter their environment, and that's dangerous.
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