78 pointsby voxadam4 hours ago4 comments
  • tokyobreakfast2 hours ago
    At this point, Google could be a drop-in replacement for the corporate villain in any 1980s/1990s action movie.
    • zombotan hour ago
      Cue the White Knights defending the poor misunderstood megacorp from their keyboards.
      • JasonADrury20 minutes ago
        80s and 90s films had better villains.

        Has google even had a preserved fetal pig delivered to anyone?

  • jackyingeran hour ago
    Why on earth do they want water from the national forest when the massive Columbia River is right there!? Is it too expensive to treat the river water? /s
  • renewiltordan hour ago
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    • kuerbel39 minutes ago
      Who are "these guys"? Are they the same people mentioned in the article? Why would you assume that everyone caring about the environment is the same?

      If you are referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snail_darter_controversy

      It says:

      This accusation ignores the fact that the formal species description (Etnier, 1976) was thoroughly peer-reviewed before publication and has withstood decades of scrutiny—-even from biologists employed by TVA. Etnier himself acknowledged that genetic affinities between snail darters and stargazing darters would be instrumental in fully understanding their degree of relatedness and divergence (Etnier, 1976:487).

      Regardless of whether snail darters are genetically distinct from stargazing darters based on current scientific data, the Little Tennessee River population in the 1970s would have nevertheless represented a population separated from the core population of stargazing darters by over 700 river miles of habitat highly modified by nearly 100 years of impoundment projects. As such, the Little Tennessee River population may still very well have qualified for protection under ESA as a sub-species or as a distinct population segment, as the ESA is applied today.

    • FrostOutputan hour ago
      I hope you also take a similar view of “corporate needs”. Because their abuses of people and the environment are many.
      • galkk35 minutes ago
        Yes, corporations are not saints and stories about nestle? contracts that allow to sell them bottled glacier water boil my blood equally.

        At the same time I cannot not to notice that only environmentalists, activists and watchdogs are quoted in the article. One (bark) got even quotes from 2 different people.

        Not a single scientific entity, like university etc was presented.

    • Peteragainan hour ago
      From a linguistics perspective "environmentalists worry" is a phrase designed to trigger a certain response. It sets up an us versus them scenario with "us" being anti environmentalists. "Concerns over" would include the reader. More interesting for the journalism for some.
  • galkkan hour ago
    At this moment I just assume by default that those “watchdogs”, “environmentalists”, “nonprofits” are mix of nimby-ists and/or thinly veiled attempts of extracting money

    (it’s a nice things you got here. It would be a shame if some rare species of a frog would be found here. A small donation for the great cause/good, of course, would help us to work on ensuring that nobody gets in harms way).

    • random_savv3 minutes ago
      This comment made me curious is such a thing actually happens.

      As it turns out "greenmailing" is a thing, but not from environmental groups. Here's what claude found for me:

      <ai> The concern isn't baseless—there are documented cases of parties using environmental law as leverage, particularly California's CEQA. But empirical studies show only ~13% of such lawsuits actually come from environmental groups; the majority come from labor unions, business competitors, and NIMBYs hijacking environmental review for unrelated purposes. In this specific case, WaterWatch has a 40-year track record on Oregon water issues and the concerns about fish habitat are supported by the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs—so the 'thinly veiled shakedown' framing doesn't really fit </ai>

      I hope doing that research didn't spend too much water!

    • viccisan hour ago
      >I just assume by default

      Gitmo couldn't get me to admit to this degree of intellectual cowardice

      • galkkan hour ago
        Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.