Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians.
eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu...
Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc.
They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s).
On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting):
* https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647
* https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647
The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised:
* https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660
* https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...
NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.
Reduce turnout in cities in four or five swing states and that can be enough to flip an election. If you've got ICE just detaining random non-white people near polling places based on the theory put forward in Noem v Vasquez Perdomo, how many nonwhite citizens who would be solid voters for the democrats just decide to stay at home rather than go to the polls?
It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. But I'm not sure that's a guarantee.
Not only is that possible, but it is actively happing as we speak.
Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
They have people who are experts in this. Before the latest wave of open fascism, many of the rising stars in the Republican party where people who were experts at removing people with Democrat sounding names off voter registration databases shortly before elections.
They have the data to target this effectively if they want to do it.
Fox viewers are being told that violent terrorists are trying to murder ICE to protect criminal Somalis.
They have even better data on what lies resonate with their base to excuse the next killing.
How does this not advance their agenda?
Like, I get that they’re doing this big show of force. But they’re losing. They are not accomplishing any of their goals, and the longer this goes on, the more the population is turning against them, and the less and less they will be able to accomplish their goals anywhere. Minnesota is not afraid of them, and they’re teaching the rest of the country not to fear them either.
I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.
> the most likely theory
According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation techniques, and perhaps even were more willing to risk their own lives than just always shoot recklessly), but putting all that aside, if someone yells "gun", and then a shot is fired, the second shooter then assuming it's the guy they are tackling that shot, and shooting him multiple times in response, is a typical cop reaction. So the main question is - who fired the first shot and why? The moral weight of the event, at least in my view, is very different if it was ICE deliberately shooting, or an accidental discharge that triggered everything.
> According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
Most likely according to me, based on the videos I have seen (https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407). I could be wrong. I was responding to someone who said there's clear video that it was a deliberate execution. The water of any breaking news reporting is already muddy; it's all speculation on all sides.
Does it? What you are describing is still a monstrous crime. The federal government is insisting that absolutely nothing went wrong and that Pretti was intending to massacre ICE agents. Even taking an enormously charitable reading of the killing I am still horrified by the actions of the government here.
the man was holding a phone before being violated, and when on the floor, with both hands on the floor, was shot almost 10 times.
watch the videos.
The footage is too grainy to say anything for certain in my view.
They beat the shit out of him first — what rationale is there for doing that?
Then an investigation should clear up the situation and exonerate the ICE folks. But ICE/FBI are (a) not investigating any of the shootings, and (b) are blocking the local police from investigating.
In the Renee Good case, the FBI is actually 'investigating' the victim of the shooting.
Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.
It's a bad take.