Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians.
eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu...
Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc.
They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
Instagram is filled with people who are absolutely 100% sure of some particular "understanding" of this situation. Then a few hours go by and reels "debunking" those views are flooding my feed.
Even the Associated Press seems to report things that official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. The AP should be a trusted source of information as should the federal government.
This feels like a lose-lose situation for those of us who want to know what's actually going on apart from sensationalized reporting.
I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.
> the most likely theory
According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation techniques, and perhaps even were more willing to risk their own lives than just always shoot recklessly), but putting all that aside, if someone yells "gun", and then a shot is fired, the second shooter then assuming it's the guy they are tackling that shot, and shooting him multiple times in response, is a typical cop reaction. So the main question is - who fired the first shot and why? The moral weight of the event, at least in my view, is very different if it was ICE deliberately shooting, or an accidental discharge that triggered everything.
> According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
Most likely according to me, based on the videos I have seen (https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407). I could be wrong. I was responding to someone who said there's clear video that it was a deliberate execution. The water of any breaking news reporting is already muddy; it's all speculation on all sides.
the man was holding a phone before being violated, and when on the floor, with both hands on the floor, was shot almost 10 times.
watch the videos.
The footage is too grainy to say anything for certain in my view.
Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...
[0] See section e) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1304
On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.
Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
It's a bad take.