32 pointsby goopthink3 hours ago27 comments
  • dangan hour ago
    See also https://www.google.com/appsstatus/dashboard/incidents/NNnDkY...

    (from other threads that we merged hither)

  • nubinetwork2 minutes ago
    The only thing in my gmail spam box is some ad for a pirate tv streaming service that's probably a scam...
  • randerson43 minutes ago
    It's a great reminder of how good this feature is that we take for granted. I think this outage has actually improved my appreciation for Gmail (a service I normally only complain about).
    • sbrother35 minutes ago
      Seriously. I didn't even realize this was a wide issue, but I couldn't find a school enrolment email I was looking for this morning, and found it in the spam folder. The fact that I basically never have to do this is actually amazing.
  • exabrial4 minutes ago
    Actually having the opposite problem, I'm getting 50+ emails that SHOULD be marked as spam.
  • mychelean hour ago
    The promotions/updates/forums/etc classification is also down.
    • zukzukan hour ago
      This has been “down” for me for a few months now, ever since Google tied this functionality to the same toggle that opts you in for using your email data for AI training. So now you can’t filter this stuff without also agreeing to a whole swath of unrelated and opt-ins.

      Ive since gone on an unsubscribe campaign, and things seem bearable now.

      • SequoiaHopean hour ago
        Same. Can’t ignore the messages when they’re all in one place, which makes hitting unsubscribe easier.
  • TechRemarker15 minutes ago
    Ahh. Wok up to a follow up email an address already marked as spam so couldn't figure out what was going on.
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  • pushedxan hour ago
    Noticed it immediately. I get a lot more spam messages per day than I thought that I did.
    • Gazoche10 minutes ago
      Same here. Until recently I would get maybe 1-2 spams a month, and I just got 30 in the span of a few days.

      They’re the very obvious, very obnoxious kind of spam, and Gmail still correctly sends them to the junk bin, so I wonder if they were shadowbanned before and Google simply decided to make the process more explicit (which I don’t hate on principle).

      Either that or my address was scrapped from somewhere by a spam bot and the timing is coincidental.

  • jgrahamc2 hours ago
    Ah, this is why I've been receiving a bunch of very obvious spam/scam mails in my inbox.
    • telliott19842 hours ago
      I got a classic and obvious 419 scam email today. Kind of felt like I'd gone back to a simpler time.
      • YoukaiCountry38 minutes ago
        Yeah my inbox looked like 2005 again—nothing but raw, unfiltered chaos.
  • B1FIDO2 hours ago
    Yes, my Gmail inbox is full of regular senders being flagged as "possibly unsafe" and I need to click a button "Looks Safe" to accept them. They are not being spamboxed, but they are definitely flagged. Even official communications from the USPS!

    The reason given is that "Gmail hasn't scanned this message", so I suppose the scanners are unavailable/disabled for the time being.

    They should also be tagged as "Important" but they are not. I believe this is a heuristic-based designation, and it has not been working too great lately. My most important mail is coming through as "unimportant".

    • B1FIDO9 minutes ago
      They are not being marked as "Suspicious" but they are showing an infobox that explains they could not be scanned at all.

      You could click "Seems Safe" on these messages, but they are not scanned by Google, and they are simply adding a disclaimer that they currently can't vouch for the safety of a message that they couldn't scan. It seems to me that this is a prudent and helpful course of action.

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  • SoftTalker42 minutes ago
    I don't understand why spam detection is so complicated. I can tell with high accuracy if an email is spam just by the subject line. I'd think even basic ML could do this very reliably you don't need a bleeding-edge LLM to do this.

    Phishing is tricker because it can be very deceptive especially if you're being targeted specifically. But also usually pretty obvious.

    • chistev32 minutes ago
      They can tweak the subject to something not obviously spammy.
      • plagiarist22 minutes ago
        Obviousness in spam is a feature, they don't have to waste effort on people who know better.
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  • robertcopean hour ago
    My wife was complaining this morning that her "promotions" were not getting sorted correctly. She will be happy to know it is an actual issue.
  • Aboutplants2 hours ago
    I feel like things have been going on a little bit longer than this indicates.
  • czbond2 hours ago
    I have been receiving a large number of spam emails in my "Important and Unread" areas which is anomalous. I was wondering exactly why and this helps. thanks!
  • whateveracct2 hours ago
    Is this why I keep getting ads in my Primary inbox?
  • calin2kan hour ago
    they (gmail/google) must have added AI to the email server.
  • sss1112 hours ago
    Any ideas on how to deal with stopping spam emails in general, scripts/tools etc?
    • B1FIDO2 hours ago
      Step zero. Never disclose your email address to anyone.

      This is very easy and straightforward. I operate 6 Gmail accounts, and three are "alts" where I've basically never given the address out to anyone at all, and they receive zero spam, zero UCE, zero marketing emails.

      Of course, on my "main" I've disclosed the address to many entities and I use it for sign-in and shipping and many things. And yes, I do receive spam and scam emails there, but wcyd?

      • EvanAndersonan hour ago
        I recently had a "role" Google account terminated because I was (paraphrasing) "violating Google policies" by having multiple accounts. I didn't know they were sticklers about that.

        (I don't much care because the account was just used for interacting with somebody else's Google-hosted junk but, if I had been using it for something serious, I have probably been frustrated.)

        • B1FIDO19 minutes ago
          There is no way, no possible way that Google prohibits the use of multiple accounts. They do not. They cannot. I just asked Gemini and I checked the actual TOS. It does not, in any way, prohibit these uses.

          In fact, this is plainly evident by the way they give you tools to operate them in a systematic way. You can add multiple accounts to a single Android "user". You can add them to a single Google Chromebook account under one signed-in account. You can add multiple accounts separately to the same Chromebook.

          You can add multiple accounts with the same names, the same birthdates, and the same Driver License. I've validated at least two YouTube channels by showing exactly the same ID.

          Google did not terminate your account for the reason you state. You are not telling us all the background information.

          Google may indeed terminate multiple accounts for the same person because of TOS violations. They will definitely link and associate your accounts, so making an "alt account" for misbehavior is not safe. If my "alt account" is compromised or violates TOS, then I can expect they will discipline all 6 equally, because they're all linked.

          But operating multiple accounts is very explicitly supported by Google, and by Microsoft as well, I will say. I don't know about Apple. Facebook definitely prohibited this in the past, although you can maintain multiple "profiles" and "pages" that have unique settings and personalities.

      • FractalParadigm2 hours ago
        I feel like an easier solution to having six different email addresses is to use Gmail aliases - I've caught a few less-than-honest companies either selling my email address, or been breached without disclosing such, simply by using an alias along the lines of '+service_name'. If any alias starts to receive spam you can setup rules to automatically delete everything that comes in with that. You also get the added benefit of significantly easier and more accurate search.
        • B1FIDO2 hours ago
          I don't think y'all understand why I have separate Google accounts.

          I use them for different purposes. They are "role accounts" for projects I am doing, such as geneaology and astronomy.

          In order to use YouTube sanely, and store different stuff in Drive, I separate them into unique accounts. I use those accounts for specific things, and my YouTube subscriptions, playlists, etc. are tailored for each role, for example.

          This is not about email at all. Obviously, I can access all those email accounts through the one app on my smartphone or the one PWA on my Chromebook. They are easily manageable but separate.

          I also run 3 Outlook/Microsoft accounts, and for the same reason. (One of them is my academic account from community college, and the other two are personal.)

          I don't need to give out email addresses for the "role accounts" except where I "Sign In With Google" to various services. So I don't really send/receive email from them at all, except where I'm sharing links or documents with myself (the best way to do this cross-account is still by using email, oftentimes.)

      • CubsFan10602 hours ago
        I might be missing something, but if you’ve never given them out to anyone at all, then what’s the point?
    • TacticalCoder2 hours ago
      I use Gmail since the beta (I got invite from a googler) and I don't remember when they began adding spam control but in my experience the GMail spam check works usually exceptionally well: I very rarely need to add a custom filter.

      My email, over two decades+ (2004?), hasn't been in a many public leaks (only one on https://haveibeenpwned.com/ ) but obviously has made its way to various spammy actors but thankfully nearly everything is caught by GMail's spam filter.

      If anything I'd say GMail's spam filter works too well: I get more legit emails in my spam folder than spam in my regular inbox. As in: one in a rare while vs about zero spam in my regular inbox.

  • Aboutplants3 hours ago
    Interesting, I’ve had a lot of emails lately flagged as “Promotions” even when they were not.
  • j45an hour ago
    I have seen a spam button show up I haven't seen in a long time.

    It might be a new round of AI training featuring the labour of customers as free employees doing training. Every time we click, we consent to sharing private email data.

  • jeffbee3 hours ago
    The weights in their filters are crowd-sourced, so the best thing you can do is mark them as not suspicious (if you are certain, of course).

    FWIW, I am not seeing this. My Spam label contains just spam.

    Finally, it would be good to know what you are observing. Are you seeing this as recipient or sender?

  • VLM2 hours ago
    Two related issues not mentioned yet:

    Its really slow. Too slow to use 2FA or in some cases, verify email addresses or recover passwords.

    Most people can't handle a notification on their watch every minute, or several spam every five minutes, so "large numbers of people" are shutting off notifications on their phones. And human nature being what it is, they're not going to be turned back on again. So the era of getting a notification when you get an email is coming to a close. "Important Immediate Attention Stuff" moved to text messages a long time ago anyway, at least for me. The list of technologies you can no longer reach me on, always increases over time...

  • buildbot3 hours ago
    Yep, getting this too.
  • greesilan hour ago
    Now, what about the Messages app? Starting last December I started receiving 10 spam SMS messages a day. Previously it was maybe one per week.
  • tonymetan hour ago
    Good on Google for having clear and timely outage notifications even for a minor to moderate subservice like spam detection.
  • cabiruman hour ago
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    • blellan hour ago
      We get it, you hate AI. Here, your gold star.
    • Waterluvianan hour ago
      Is there some history behind the spam detector being those things or is this a vibe comment?