104 pointsby petethomas6 hours ago12 comments
  • Aurornis6 hours ago
    The current link is basically devoid of information, but clicking through to this page shows the two pictures with a slider to move between them: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-levy-armstrong-crying-...

    The differences are not subtle

    • autoexec5 hours ago
      Of course they darkened her skin color.
      • kibbul45 hours ago
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        • krapp5 hours ago
          from where? What was the point at which law enforcement was putting out propaganda making suspects look whiter than they are?
          • kibbul45 hours ago
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            • krapp4 hours ago
              https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/coulters-law/

                  Coulter’s tweet criticized the media for, in her perception, shying away from immediately disclosing the racial identity of a shooter when that person is not a white male, the typical identity of mass shooters in the US. The idea is that, due to their liberal worldview, the mainstream media deny evidence that might confirm conservative fears of Islamic terrorism in the US.
              
              Oh, that's what this is about. OK. I knew you were working some kind of right-wing bullshit angle but you were being so obtuse I couldn't suss it out.

              Anne Coulter makes a tweet and you lot call it "Coulter's Law" as if that means anything. Come with credible evidence or fuck off to Reddit.

  • nneonneo5 hours ago
    Don’t worry! According to the White House, it’s just a meme! Making up fake news is totally fine as long as you can say you’re memeing!

    The WH using social media (X, Pravda Social) for official communication is highly deliberate - they get to declare post-hoc what is actually real communication and what is “just memes”. Of course it won’t make any difference to people amplifying the content. If the WH had to stick to traditional outlets for news they wouldn’t have this fig leaf to hide behind.

    • zahlman5 minutes ago
      > Making up fake news is totally fine as long as you can say you’re memeing!

      There is no "fake news" here. They're mocking her by making it look like she's crying when she wasn't crying.

      This isn't a material misrepresentation of anything. It's not legally significant. She was apprehended and nobody disputes this; and there's video footage out there from multiple sources — including Don Lemon's Youtube channel — that makes the cause for arrest clear.

      > they get to declare post-hoc what is actually real communication and what is “just memes”

      No, it can clearly be determined what's a joke and what's literal by having a sense of humour and critical thinking skill.

  • the_gipsy5 hours ago
    I remember reading an article about how terrible AI could be in the hands of a regime like China's. What a time to be alive, I guess.
    • bdangubic5 hours ago
      all this time we were “fighting China” and now we got China… except nothing gets done :)
      • salawat4 hours ago
        Evil transcends all borders, mate, and it all looks/sounds the same ultimately.
  • mattnewton5 hours ago
    I think we're never going to be able to have robust ai detection, and current models are as bad as they'll ever be. Instead we really need to have the ability to sign images on cameras that show these are the bits that came off this hardware unedited, that professional news outlets can verify.

    But that's going to cost money to make and market all these new cameras and I just don't know how we incentivize or pay for this, so we're left unable to trust any images and video in the near future. I can only think of technical solutions and not the social changes that need to happen before the tech is wanted and adopted.

    • breve5 hours ago
      Sony cameras can sign still images and videos to vouch that they are not AI generated:

      https://authenticity.sony.net/camera/en-us/index.html

      https://www.sony.eu/presscentre/sony-launches-camera-verify-...

      Ideally it'd become an open standard supported by all manufacturers. Which is what they're trying to do:

      https://c2pa.org/

      • mattnewton5 hours ago
        Thank you, this is fantastic to know! I think we have to normalize requiring this or similar standards for news, it will go a long way.

        Ideally we would have a similar attestation from most people's cameras (on their smartphones) but that's a much harder problem to also support with 3p camera apps.

        • 2OEH8eoCRo05 hours ago
          More like I won't trust anything that doesn't come from a press photographer.
          • cmxch4 hours ago
            And what will make them more trustworthy?
        • 93po5 hours ago
          it doesnt really matter if you can just take a photo of an AI image that's been printed out
          • mattnewton4 hours ago
            That will look like a photo of a printout though. Seems easier to just hack the hardware to get it to sign arbitrary images instead.
    • throwaway892015 hours ago
      This sounds like a good idea on its face, but it will have the effect of both legitimizing altered photos and delegitimizing photos of actual events.

      You will need camera DRM with a hardware security module down all the way to the image sensor, where the hardware is in the hands of the attacker. Even when that chain is unbroken, you'll need to detect all kinds of tricks where the incoming photons themselves are altered. In the simplest case: a photo of a photo.

      If HDCP has taught anything, it's that vendors of consumer products cannot implement such a secure chain at all, with ridiculous security vulnerabilities for years. HDCP has been given up and has become mostly irrelevant, perhaps except for the criminal liability it places on 'breaking' it. Vendors are also pushed to rely on security by obscurity, which will make such vulnerabilities harder to find for researchers than for attackers.

      If you have half of such a 'signed photos' system in place, it will become easier to dismiss photos of actual events on the basis that they're unsigned. If a camera model or security chip shared by many models turns out to be broken, or a new photo-of-a-photo trick becomes known, a huge amount of photos produced before that, become immediately suspect. If you gatekeep (the proper implementations of) these features only to professional or expensive models, citizen journalism will be disincentivized.

      But even more importantly: if you choose to rely on technical measures that are poorly understood by the general public (and that are likely to blow up in your face), you erode a social system of trust that already is in place, which is journalism. Although the rise of social media, illiteracy and fascism tends to suggest otherwise, journalistic chain of custody of photographic records mainly works fine. But only if we keep maintaining and teaching that system.

    • direwolf205 hours ago
      Then you can have a signed picture of a screen showing an AI image. And the government will have a secret version of OpenAI that has a camera signature.
  • matthewaveryusa5 hours ago
    realpolitik time folks:

    First do a left-right on the link that Aurornis posted [1]. Notice the extra fat in the chin, the elongated ear, the enlarged mouth and nose, the frizzlier hair, the lower shirt cut.

    You hate it. You think, intellectually, that this shouldn't work and surely no one would have the gall to so brazenly do this without the fear of being caught and shamed. And then you think, well once the truth is revealed that there will be some introspection and self-reflection on being tricked, and that maybe being tricked here means being tricked elsewhere.

    Well someone, in an emotionless room, min-maxed the outcomes and computed that the expected value from such an action was positive.

    And here we are.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-levy-armstrong-crying-...

  • knowsuchagency2 hours ago
    Why was this flagged?
    • zahlman3 minutes ago
      Because it's political rabblerousing trying to spin the WH's attempt to have a laugh into something sinister. The alterations don't materially misrepresent anything; they just mock the activist. It's not much different from attacking a political cartoonist for drawing caricatures instead of attempting realism.
  • cdrnsf6 hours ago
    Government propaganda facilitated by an AI tool. I'd say they should be ashamed, but they have no shame.
  • xrd5 hours ago
    Can I opt out of using my taxes to create memes? If Trump wants to use his cryptocurrency to shill for Truth Social I suppose I can't really complain. But, why do I have to pay for the department of meme wars?
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  • mothballed5 hours ago
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  • camillomiller5 hours ago
    What else do you need, dear Americans? This is not who you are. Yet, by saying nothing, by thinking of tech as a neutral force, by working for the very companies that enable this, well, you are all silent accomplices.

    Also, can someone explain to me why NOTHING of this is challenged in court or prosecuted? Where the hell is your judicial system?

    • zahlman3 minutes ago
      > Also, can someone explain to me why NOTHING of this is challenged in court or prosecuted?

      What law do you suppose it violates?

    • gizmov215 hours ago
      What, pray tell, can we do?

      Tens of thousands of people are protesting and some getting arrested, anyone with a voice is doing what they can to sway public opinion.

      Our higher courts are compromised (and feckless at times even when used correctly), and the police help ICE. And a large number of Americans do, in fact, want this. Others don’t care until it hits them personally.

      So what specifically are people to do, like myself, who live in an unaffected area and who’s politicians are in fact speaking out against this?

      • autoexec5 hours ago
        > What, pray tell, can we do?

        Vote better for a start. The amount of support this administration has is still way too high considering everything they've done and are doing. It's shaken my faith in humanity a bit to see how many of the people around me don't seem to actually value humanity.

      • psadauskas5 hours ago
        And most Americans are just trying to survive, working 3 gig jobs for barely minimum wage, while the cost of everything is skyrocketing.
    • defrost5 hours ago
      Indeed.

      With all the deepest respect toward the US citizens I know, have talked to, and those that don't support the current administration ...

      Theres's now _zero_ respect for the US.

      Yours sincerely, long time five eyes allies.

    • kibbul45 hours ago
      They should've clearly labelled that it was AI/edited. It's not that big of a deal.
      • direwolf205 hours ago
        Why do you suppose they didn't?
        • lostmsu5 hours ago
          > It's not that big of a deal.
        • kibbul44 hours ago
          Oversight. Perhaps they thought it was obvious enough to not be necessary, or perhaps they just got careless with the shitposting. You'll have to ask them.
          • direwolf204 hours ago
            I don't think they'd ever answer. They'd probably block you on X if you asked. Why do you think that is?
            • kibbul43 hours ago
              Is that a genuine question? Of course they're not going to bother responding to some antagonistic rando on X.

              I get that it's distasteful, I just really don't care. It's not a big deal. Why do you care? If they post doctored photos for a giggle to slightly humiliate criminals or degenerates, why is that such a scandal in your eyes?

              • defrost3 hours ago
                It's blatant lying and misrepresentation by officials in a public office.

                Sackable offence in many countries.

                Principally those countries with a regard for law, order, fairness, transparency, justice, etc.

                The question really is, why would this be acceptable in the USofA by any administration.

                • kibbul4an hour ago
                  You're naive and overreacting. There are no such countries. And this is just a meme posted on X making fun of a degenerate.

                  Would it really make a difference to you if they fired whatever social media person posted this? What would it change? Do you actually care that much about this?

    • burnt-resistor5 hours ago
      Corruption and fealty run deep, and so does Democratic impotency (except for about 100 clean ones, but it's not even close to enough to make a difference) because their corporate masters desire it.
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    • anal_reactor5 hours ago
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      • idibiks5 hours ago
        Your phrasing of the reality of democracy and voting is basically a less-polite version of where political science has been on the topic for 80ish years. The first half or so of that they spent trying to figure out some way that the stupidity and ignorance naturally balances out into… something that’s not scary. Law of averages, wisdom-of-the-crowd sorts of stuff.

        They eventually (more or less) gave up, finding all their efforts at comfortable explanations unsupportable. Nope, it’s just luck, momentum, and the difficult of intentionally directing large chaotic systems keeping things tolerably sane. It’s, in fact, very scary and it’s astounding it works at all.

        • CamperBob24 hours ago
          It’s, in fact, very scary and it’s astounding it works at all.

          It no longer does. Social media was the tipping point.

          Religion wasn't enough to break democracy, newspapers weren't enough, radio wasn't enough, TV was almost enough... but now, with social media as the proverbial last straw, the bug is fully exploited, completely unfixable, and likely fatal.

          • idibiks3 hours ago
            Oh, I agree. I think it more likely than not that we have invented a combo of technologies that produce an environment in which liberal democracy cannot exist outside maybe smallish countries with tight controls on incoming media from outside (so, also fairly tight foreign capital ownership rules).

            The medium is the message, and I think the “message” of the global Web + social media + (now) generative AI may not include liberal democracy.

      • autoexec5 hours ago
        > turns out, majority of voters are dumb fucks.

        In fairness, many people have been working hard for decades to turn as many people into illiterate dumb fucks as possible. We didn't get here accidentally.

  • cmxch4 hours ago
    And nobody will believe her manipulated cut.
  • 000ooo0005 hours ago
    Good news Satya, we finally found a use for all that electricity you're burning!

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46718485