21 pointsby b_mutea6 hours ago13 comments
  • throwaway9201028 minutes ago
    Nurse aide? Housekeeping for a hotel, retirement home/nursing home, hospital? patient care tech, lab assistant, phlebotomist, medical courier, etc Substitute teacher? Bus driver? Amazon warehouse worker?

    If you need guaranteed work immediately, software is not it. If you want to maximize salary, and can take plenty of time trying and failing, it can be. It doesn't sound like you have that time.

    If you are worried about homelessness, you need a radical mindset shift. You should not be thinking about software dev in the slightest.

  • ben_w6 hours ago
    The hard part with business has always been finding what problem needs to be solved, something that's under-served in the marketplace. Asking on a public forum like this is, unfortunately, a great way to give identical inspiration to a lot of other people, at which point the winner is immediately (at best) a lottery.

    For example, if I were to say "I want to improve my German, make me a personalised tutor" and you thought that sounded good, 300 other people who lurk here without commenting will immediately go "ooh, interesting" and also make the same app (and as everyone will be vibe-coding from almost the same prompt, most of them really will be the exact same app down to the style choices and the number and names of achievements).

    This was already a problem before LLMs, where copy-cat apps sprung up the moment anything new got famous and interesting. Clones of Flappy Bird and Wordle, even Apple did this with Sherlock and Microsoft with Internet Explorer.

    So, my advice here, is to think small-scale. Find individuals and small businesses near you who are willing to pay for the work of a day to a fortnight, where the hard part is talking to them and learning what their needs are, not individual big projects that bring in $10k all at once. (For a fortnight sized project, you might get lucky and find someone who's up for $10k, but don't count on it).

    • b_mutea5 hours ago
      This makes so much sense 'Ben' and is spot on. The problem I find becoming hard is the survival part, I just have to keep trying, because I have noticed these roles are not coming in easy especially in this era and given the field I am into. Seems like everyone can do whatever with AI right now.
  • Ir0nManan hour ago
    Right now, you need a guaranteed paycheck, not a speculative project.

    A side hustle might replace your income one day, but it won’t move fast enough to solve a six-month rent deficit. Focus 100% of your energy on securing a job first; once your housing is stable, you can use your off-hours to build that $10k idea.

    • mixmastamyk23 minutes ago
      In general yes, but there are no regular jobs now. Only gaslit interviews, if you can even get a response.
      • throwaway92010211 minutes ago
        Are you talking about tech jobs, or -any- job?

        If you are six months behind on rent, you just go find a job cleaning shit and fatbergs out of sewers if that's what is available IMO.

        • mixmastamyk3 minutes ago
          You would be surprised, was recently ghosted on a local job, $700 a month in CA to sweep a large apt complex. :-D

          The fewer skills required the more people you need to compete with.

  • grugdev42an hour ago
    You might laugh, but selling cheap marketing websites is an easy $10,000.

    Selling ten $1,000 websites to small businesses is easy. It isn't fun or exciting, but it works.

    It's 50% sales, 30% chasing people, and 20% building.

    Find small local businesses with bad websites, or better yet no website. They honestly do exist.

    Resist the urge to make your own anything. Just use Squarespace or Wix!

    You don't need to hide SS or Wix from the client. Tell them you just charge for your time to set it all up. If they complain then move onto the next customer, they would likely be a pain anyway.

    People will say "small marketing websites are dead with SS or Wix about", but it's not true. Most small businesses just don't want to learn how!

    If you cold call all week I bet you can have a couple of deals done by Friday! Good luck.

    • ProjectVader9 minutes ago
      This is spot on. I run a small agency, and the number of clients coming from Wix or Squarespace is surprising—especially considering those platforms are marketed as “easy.” I’d recommend using your LLM to research businesses that need websites and start reaching out by email or phone. After that, it becomes a numbers game. Most business owners eventually realize they need professional help in this space. Skip the penny-pinchers and focus on quick wins, and delegate if the margins are there.

      Lastly, most of the advice you'll get around here will be technical, but every now and again a gem will popup that sort-of 'fills in the blanks' when it comes to the other part of this, which is sales and marketing. It's not easy, but it's not all hard. I recommend this thread if you want to read more about it, the Op gives some good advice on how to get leads, and eventually customers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46661167

    • Luke749239 minutes ago
      How do you convince a small business or individual that $1k is a good price for their website? As someone that has learned web development as a hobby many years ago, I’ve helped build sites for several people through word of mouth but I can never seem to ask much for the work I’ve done for some reason. I work really fast, it’s easy, and even fun for me. This idea sounds great and I even have access to create unlimited sub-accounts on a CRM platform paid for by my real job. I can make full websites with storefronts, blogs, forms, galleries, email/sms flows, you name it. My issue is knowing how to convince others how valuable the work is. Any suggestions?
      • quickthrowman23 minutes ago
        You can charge a lot more than you think. IMO, $1,000 for a website is too low. I provide commercial electrical services and $1,000 would get you one of my electrician’s labor for six hours, which does not include material. For specialized electricians who do things like work on generators and do switchgear testing, $1,000 only covers around 5 hours.
      • grugdev4225 minutes ago
        Well the first point is don't ask for payment after the work is done. No one will pay because you've already solved their pain. You're in a weaker position at that point.

        Tell them how much you charge before you start work and ask if they want you to start work. It can only go one of two ways.

        The easiest way to convince them is to compare it to sales. If they are an electrician with an average job of $500, that website only needs to earn them two extra jobs per year to break even.

        But the easiest way is to be a sociopath and not care. Ask the question and they will either say yes or no. No one is going to assassinate you for pitching a marketing website to them.

        If they say yes, do you care where the money has come from? Would it matter if that was their last $1k? If they're loaded would you feel more confident? What if you do a great job and then it turns out that money came from illegal sources?

        What about if they say no? Will you stay awake at night worrying that their business is losing work because people think they're weird for not having a website? What if your marketing website lands them a big client because of the "authenticity factor" of having a professional marketing website?

        None of these things actually matter. But getting paid $1k feels good, especially if you've done a good job and earned it. :)

        • Luke74927 minutes ago
          Thank you for the new perspective! I was looking at it the wrong way. They're not paying for the website, they're paying for new customers. I think I can manage taking a bit of time to understand their business a bit and then explain how a site will be valuable to them.

          EDIT: Did you mean $1k annually or just for the initial project?

    • creshalan hour ago
      > People will say "small marketing websites are dead with SS or Wix about", but it's not true. Most small businesses just don't want to learn how!

      Even if they want to, they have approximately 500 other problems to deal with that are more urgent.

      Just figure out how you handle support after the initial project phase: It's a lot easier to get a small business to spend $1000 on a website than to get them to spend $100/year for the constant trickle of small changes they'll inevitable need later.

  • wilkommen2 hours ago
    Too many people try to find work in competitive fields where there are fewer jobs than applicants and spend years tearing their hair out trying to make it happen without success, and all for nothing. Go where you're wanted, especially if you're already broke. Find a job in construction, they'll hire anyone who can show up on time every day and can work hard, or is smart, and the pay isn't even bad. Join the union if you can, and figure your path out from there. Maybe you'll make it back to tech, maybe not, and maybe it's ok either way.
    • mixmastamyk11 minutes ago
      These jobs are often locked up, good luck.
  • pickleglitch2 hours ago
    > Up until last year, I was working as a technical writer in ML/AI. Those roles basically 'disappeared'

    Ouch, hoisted by your own petard. Start a Substack positioning yourself as a reformed AI enthusiast who now rails against the economic havoc the technology leaves in its wake. I'm only half joking. A lot of folks on Substack are pretty hostile toward AI, and they would probably eat that up.

  • aristofun5 hours ago
    Build a career or build a business.

    Nothing new under the moon in the last few centuries. There is no magic pill or secret ingredient.

    Each path has its trade offs.

    I’ve tried both. Reaching 10k in software engineering salary took longer but easier and more predictable. My first profitable business attempt was a tiny bootcamp school (about software engineering obviously) and it never reached 10k of my own income due to lack of business experience and motivation.

    Choose a field where 1. There is enough capacity to reach the number with just a hard work (software engineering, finance, law, real estate etc)

    2. You feel comfortable and genuinely longterm interested in (most important criteria).

    What else do you expect to hear on a forum like this?

    I bet LLM would give you similar answer :)

  • Archelaos5 hours ago
    Get a sustainable job first. (Almost) Whatever it is. Then improve from there.
  • stumpyfr6 hours ago
    Step 0: Stop aiming for 10k, aim for enough to live (for now).

    Then decide between option1 or 2.

    Option 1: Start by taking a "random IT integrator/service job" to keep your flat and food on the table, stop even thinking about building and "vibing" something. Just take a job, large "consulting" companies are easy to join as entry-level and will give you enough to survive, but far from your 10k dream.

    Stabilise your finances, take time to refine your ideas and plan the next step without the stress to not knowing if you will be homeless or hungry next month.

    Option 2: Play the local lottery and tomorrow, GOTO option 1

    • b_mutea6 hours ago
      Thanks, that is exactly what I have been doing, I'm trying to get some jobs relentlessly right now just to get some traction. I think it just that one stressfull thought of homelessness that it eating me up.
    • dzonga3 hours ago
      let's be honest option 1: is non-viable in this economy - those places are not hiring & most places are not hiring.

      only viable option in an economy that's not hiring is to hire yourself - but don't swing for the fences - just small scale stuff e.g 250 people paying you $40/month

      • dzonga3 hours ago
        this means getting into non sexy things - i.e ecosystem e.g PHP / Wordpress / Shopify etc

        not as sexy as ML etc that HN raves about but you will survive

  • Bluescreenbuddy3 hours ago
    Your only goal right now should to get any kind of employment. Literally anything. Then you can move on to finding how to get $10k
    • b_mutea2 hours ago
      Exactly what I am doing. Thanks
  • hu34 hours ago
    First thing I would do is to get any job. And I mean any job.

    Painting walls. Fastfood. Construction helper. Anything.

    Only then start thinking about meaningful jobs.

    Career is a steep ladder for us mortals that don't have rich families to lift us to the 100th floor with their financial and network elevators.

  • trilogic6 hours ago
    Step 1: Change current location (results show it may be toxic :)

    Step 2 If you know ML/AI then send 10000 applications this weekend for job positions (whatever you may like).

    Step 3 Wait till Monday.

    • b_mutea5 hours ago
      Thanks. Step 2 has been my job especially this month.

      What about step 1? I seem not to get the 'may be toxic part'

      • trilogic5 hours ago
        Usually is the location and the surrounding environment (sometimes "friends etc") that leads a person in a certain situation. A radical change may help as may make things worse (but it can´t be much worse then an eviction notice I guess). A new location can offer less stress, fresh start, maybe cheaper accommodation and lifestyle, but most importantly motivation and new opportunities. The 10k are in the range of a company owner instead of employment. Some states/countries facilitate the startup and if you did it once you can do it again.

        Good luck.

        • b_mutea2 hours ago
          That makes sense. Thanks
  • ada19815 hours ago
    This is going to increasingly be a problem for many people.

    For me, getting a Skoolie and subletting my apt in NYC gave me a great foundation

    1. I was able to sublet my furnished place in nyc for $1k more than rent and make money while traveling.

    2. I was able to work remote visiting clients and spending time in nature.

    3. It provided a certain kind of daily challenge that was great for me.

    4. The adventure was incredible and I fell in love with the road. I thought I’d spend a month or three cruising around but it ended up about over 3 years.

    5. I followed my heart and the weather to hot springs Arkansas to watch the total eclipse and met a woman who I just got engaged to (while in Antarctica at an AI conference).

    6. My business has been the best it’s ever been and put me into a top 1% income.

    I wasn’t broke when I started but it was amazing to have a sense that even if I was I could buy a big bag of beans and rice, head to a gorgeous piece of free federal BLM land, run my laptop on solar and use my cell WiFi to figure it out.

    Beyond that, figure out what problem you want to solve for the world and go find people working on that problem and help them.