192 pointsby yesturi7 hours ago16 comments
  • yesturi3 hours ago
    Today, storage is so advanced that to the ordinary user it simply presents as some kind of non-leaky abstraction: small rectangular shape, no moving parts, stores blocks, retrieves blocks, low latency, high reliability.

    Back then, the storage is was much more 'real': it was slow, made noises, degraded noticeably because of stray magnetic fields etc, complicated mechanical parts. By the hearing alone, you may spot problems.

    • lucideeran hour ago
      One of the most "real" features of vinyl records that I never really internalised until I started buying a few is that you can take a record out of its sleeve & look at the grooves to see how many tracks is on each side & how long each of the tracks is. You can also "skip" to tracks when playing (much better than tapes ever could) using this same method.
    • kergonath37 minutes ago
      > By the hearing alone, you may spot problems.

      I still have PTSD from those Zip drives. You could hear your data disappearing into nothingness as you watched powerless the drive hacking away at your cartridge.

      • Lutzb4 minutes ago
        Same with QiC80 drives. You could hear when the drive failed to read data.
    • colincookean hour ago
      Oh man, this reminds me of my "party trick" back in the day of saying I could tell what OS a computer was running by listening to the HDD seeking. The good old days
      • VTimofeenko5 minutes ago
        You can't just drop this without examples. What OSes and what were their tells?
    • pixl97an hour ago
      >By the hearing alone, you may spot problems.

      Yep, was pretty easy to realize when you may have a bad sector on a floppy.

      Even hard drives were more than loud enough you could tell when fragmentation was getting bad or the disk was starting to act suspect.

    • afandianan hour ago
      And yet was an absolute marvel of engineering. I often used to wonder at the accuracy and reliability they got out of those stepper motors, trying to imagine the size of the tracks.

      Fun thought experiment. The 128 GB SD card on my desk could store a 1-bit bitmap of 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 pixels. Imagine shrinking that down to the size of the die, and how small each (logical) cell is.

      • yesturian hour ago
        Maybe that's the charm of mechanical watches? Precise metal parts moving in harmony. You can entertain yourself with analyzing its workings by simply watching it (no pun intended).

        Precise, but featureless digital clocks lack "soul" which you can actually see.

      • hkpackan hour ago
        Stepper motors were last used for HDDs with the capacity in megabytes.
        • afandianan hour ago
          I was thinking 5¼ floppies actually. But the same applies to the voice coils in newer hdds.
  • p0w3n3d4 hours ago
    In my country they used to broadcast software for Atari 800 over radio - and it worked...
    • acka2 hours ago
      In the Netherlands they used to broadcast software as part of the Hobbyscoop radio show. It was generic BASIC code that could run on a variety of home computers, requiring a small loader program for conversion. The project was named BASICODE[1].

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASICODE

    • beardsciences3 hours ago
      Simply Amazing. I'd love to know more about this.
    • yesturi3 hours ago
      In Poland, in the communist period, the national broadcaster used to do it. For Atari, ZX Spectrum, Commmodore 64.

      Haven't heard the audition, though. Well before my era.

      • ekropotin2 hours ago
        It’s crazy that you had access to these technologies during communist period.

        Growing up in USSR I didn’t know anyone who would own a PC up until early 90s.

        • yesturi30 minutes ago
          PC-s were only described in hobby magazines, like Bajtek or Młody Technik. Nobody had them, though, except maybe some institutions. The hobbyists used to own ZX Spectrum or Commondore 64, but even that was rare.

          I know one programmer in his 50s. He had an access to the ZX Spectrum in his primary school, but that was by effort of his local physics teacher.

          • ekropotin3 minutes ago
            Yeh, that’s pretty much aligned with what I remember.

            But I don’t get it then - why would they broadcast software for devices no one had?

    • binaryturtle3 hours ago
      I still have some old Amiga backups on VHS. Worked too… :)
  • rwmj4 hours ago
    Nice little project.

    Back in day, magazines distributed software on flexidisc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexi_disc) I remember it being very unreliable. The magazine instructed you to copy the flexidisc to a cassette tape first as you could only usually play the disc one or two times.

    • JimDabellan hour ago
      Yes, I had an Acorn Electron (a BBC Micro-compatible), and the software came on audio cassettes and were sometimes taped to the front of computer magazines to share software demos. It was basically a modem that wasn’t hooked up to a telephone. If the tape was getting worn out, you occasionally had to fix it by putting a pencil in one of the gears and winding it a bit tighter. You could copy software with any dual tape deck designed for music.
    • forinti4 hours ago
      Cool. I remember getting one such disc in a music magazine in the 80s. It occured to me then that you could maybe put software on it, but I never saw this implemented.
  • LastTrain34 minutes ago
    One of the favorite records in my collection is the 8-Bit Construction Set 12" - chiptune + bootable Atari and C64 on the runouts.

    https://www.discogs.com/master/321455-8-Bit-Construction-Set...

  • thebruce87m3 hours ago
    Tip: turn the volume all the way down before listening to the recording.

    I had an unsettling worry that I was being programmed when I listened to it - a bit like an alternative to the virus in Pluribus.

  • foobarian4 hours ago
    > built-in “cassette interface” of the PC (that was hardly ever used)

    Wait a minute, what?? How did I not know about this.

    • alnwlsn3 hours ago
      Probably because they got rid of it when the XT came out, so it was only there for (a few months under) 2 years. But it was a good trade; removing the cassette port gave enough area on the PCB for 3 more ISA slots.
    • estimator72922 hours ago
      Way, way back when, you were lucky to get a serial port built in to the motherboard. everything was an add-in card. But you did get a tape drive interface. It was just an audio jack you plugged into any cassette player. You had to start and stop the tape yourself, of course.
    • forinti3 hours ago
      It's funny how close an early PC was to the 8-bit machines: you had BASIC in ROM and a cassette interface.

      You could even use a TV!

    • numpad02 hours ago
      Those aren't rare on 16-bit or less, '80s and before, pre-MS-DOS home computers. Looks cool, but apparently it was way too slow and painful to be fondly remembered.
  • mrweasel5 hours ago
    Old scanners where SCSI, which made me wonder if you could use them as boot devices, if you could stuff the scanner driver and OCR software into the BIOS. Might be easier now that we have uEFI.
    • yesturian hour ago
      That is ridiculously fantastic idea!

      Shame I used to have an SCSI scanner but I already disassembled it for parts.

      One can write a simple bootloader, which reads bytes printed on a paper sheet to memory then boots it. Something like: black (0), white (1) or long rectangle (1), short rectangle (0). Wonder about the storage capacity of the A4 paper.

    • estimator72922 hours ago
      Even older scanners were raw ISA piped over a centronix cable
    • bobmcnamaraan hour ago
      Forth it up on a middle aged PowerPC Mac!
    • hackomorespacko4 hours ago
      *were
  • dylan6042 hours ago
    As someone that's spent time behind the decks, I wonder what kind of hacking could be done by letting someone like Qbert take the wheel while loading.

    Part of the infamous sound of a dial-up connection being established was negotiating the speed of the connection. Now I'm thinking if you'd need a negotiation of 33 1/3, 45, or 78 as an advanced feature.

  • guerrilla5 hours ago
    Okay, that is very cool. I love how doable it is too if you can get hands on the media that is.
    • richrichardsson4 hours ago
      They're fairly expensive, but on-demand vinyl is easy to get made.
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  • RK073 hours ago
    Should have used his record cutter first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt6KMvkRM44
  • netsharc5 hours ago
    The video from the article, in case you don't want to accept cookies: https://youtu.be/bqz65_YfcJg

    It doesn't even say which type of cookies have to be accepted, I tried selecting just functional cookies, that didn't work. Funny how it's an arcane bunch of toggles in a cookie popup, on a page describing an arcane way of booting up a system.

    • embedding-shape4 hours ago
      I've started doing:

          yt-dlp https://youtu.be/bqz65_YfcJg -o - | mpv -
      
      And never been happier. I hope it still counts as a view for the channel/owner though, but never investigated if that's actually the case.
      • mariusoran hour ago
        In most builds mpv has yt-dlp integrated, you can directly pass the URL to it.
        • embedding-shapean hour ago
          Ay, but then I don't get to teach beginners about the unix principle and how easy it is to pipe stuff between different tools :)

          Thanks for the heads up regardless, I'm sure there was others who didn't know, who learned something new! :)

      • 0-_-04 hours ago
        Very unlikely, you need the browser for that
        • petcat4 hours ago
          I would be very surprised if they didn't still have analytics tracking on the MPEG-DASH streams directly (what yt-dlp is downloading)
          • basilikum3 hours ago
            yt-dlp needs to get the stream from somewhere. It has to fetch the website for that and even execute a JavaScript challenge to retrieve the media endpoint.
            • netsharc2 hours ago
              I'd guess it skips running the JavaScript that reports to the Analytics backend...
        • estimator72922 hours ago
          Good thing yt-dlp is a browser.
    • afandian3 hours ago
      Youtube has tonnes of cookies! Why give youtube a free pass but not some independent hobbyist's site?
      • fc417fc8022 hours ago
        It doesn't get a free pass from me but it seems to work fine with only first party cookies, ublock origin and built in tracking protection active, and most (but not all) third party content blocked by umatrix.

        Alternatively you can use the link in GP to grab the video via yt-dlp. Can even do that via tor if you want. (Weirdly at least historically youtube was friendlier to tor exit nodes than it was to a lot of mainstream VPNs. Not sure what was up with that, haven't tested it in a while.)

    • hagbard_c5 hours ago
      I never got any cookie prompts for this site so I guess these did not make it past the content filters which keep cdn-cookieyes.com at bay. No cookies, no problem.
  • idontwantthisan hour ago
    How did he cut the record?
  • beardsciences3 hours ago
    appears to be hugged to death for now.
  • pjmlp5 hours ago
    Sure, because why not!

    Cool idea.

  • hackomorespacko3 hours ago
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