You can now download Windows 7 and Vista ISO images with all the updates(www.neowin.net)
76 pointsby XzetaU816 days ago12 comments
  • TomMasz16 days ago
    Windows 7 was the last really good Windows. MS lost sight of the goal after that.
    • zdw16 days ago
      I really wish MS had stuck with the Windows 8/Phone direction - bright square blocks that didn't waste space, which felt like it was a full refutation of the transparent everything of Vista that was still there to some extent in 7.

      Looking at macOS 26, it's hard not to compare it visually to Vista given the transparency emphasis. Hopefully in a few years an Alan Dye-free Apple will move in a different direction.

      • papageek13 days ago
        Funny enough, the awful UI in Windows 8 (especially the start menu) drove me to become a mac daily driver.
        • zdw12 days ago
          Oh, the initial screens in Win8 were quite awful and offputting for most people who used earlier Windows versions, but the actual UI widget designs felt good.
    • honeycrispy16 days ago
      Nadella lost sight of the goal. Windows 7 was Ballmer.
      • skrebbel16 days ago
        Nadella more than 10x'ed the value of Microsoft. I doubt many MS execs think it was the wrong call to move Windows work to the B team.

        EDIT: somehow people seem to think I'm defending MS here. I'm not, I'm concurring that MS willingly turned Windows to shit (by moving it to the B team) because they thought they could earn more money elsewhere (and they were right). I don't like it, but I bet the people who got filthy rich over it do.

        • honeycrispy16 days ago
          That mindset is why every tech product is turning to shit. They're not consumer focused. All Nadella cares about is making the stock price go up and extracting value.
          • 2OEH8eoCRo016 days ago
            At some point we went through the looking glass where the stock is the product.

            Is this a new phenomena? Stocks aren't new. Why is the modern market treated like this? Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value?

            • pseudalopex16 days ago
              Companies with insufficient competition treated customers badly always. Antitrust enforcement weakened since the 1970s. And investors demanded short term gains.
            • cornonthecobra16 days ago
              It's the private equity era. Much like how legislative behaviour is now dictated by the wealthy even to the point of contradicting the will/desire of informed voters, corporate behaviour is now dictated by private equity investment to the point of contradicting the demand from informed user/consumers.
            • M95D15 days ago
              > Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value?

              You should really really read about Dodge vs. Ford case. It all started with that case.

          • emchammer16 days ago
            It’s the same with Apple. Sure, their product is proprietary, but the producers are not the only ones with a stake in it.
        • yndoendo16 days ago
          Stock price does not equal good software. Quite the opposite because your trying to exploit the end user for more profit.
        • ranger_danger16 days ago
          I'm assuming they were referring to a non-monetary goal.
        • agildehaus16 days ago
          Through Azure, Office, LinkedIn, gaming. Not so much Windows.
          • jack_pp16 days ago
            They're fucking up even gaming, that awful gamebar is a pain to disable. Had to do it from powershell and even after it's gone Alt + W won't work in games.
            • 306bobby16 days ago
              I have a de-bloated win11 build running on my gaming rig, and I still occasionally get the prompt "no program to open link: ms-gamebar://" or something similar
          • skrebbel16 days ago
            Indeed! That's why they moved Windows to the B team.
        • cadamsdotcom16 days ago
          Sorry you’re getting downvoted. Ideally downvoting would be for unconstructive posts, or posts with good info / good contributions that are presented unconstructively.

          You’re just being controversial.

          That’s not a strong enough reason to downvote someone.

          • honeycrispy16 days ago
            Thanks for pointing this out. I don't participate in HN discussions like I used to because the HN crowd and I don't agree on much, and down-votes is not an engaging counter-point.
            • cadamsdotcom16 days ago
              It’s possible the HN crowd has more lurkers lately with things getting more controversial.. maybe seeing your voice more would help bring balance.

              After all, you might be part of a silent majority!

          • skrebbel16 days ago
            Fwiw I think it’s perfectly fine if people downvote me if they disagree with me. I think that’s an unavoidable effect of having up/down arrows, regardless of what the rules say. If i say something controversial I expect some downvotes. I just hadn't expressed myself clearly enough initially, everybody took me as a “money makes right” capitalist (not a weird assumption, theres plenty of those here on HN) and fortunately could still edit to clarify.
    • Incipient15 days ago
      Microsoft CHANGED the goal. Cloud makes bucket loads more than consumer - it also has awesome vendor lock-in and juicy monthly fees!

      MS didn't lose sight of anything. They've been after the money for a while, and they just followed the money.

      I don't like what Microsoft has done, but I annoyingly admit they're doing what's in the best interest of their bank balance.

    • stronglikedan16 days ago
      I find Win10 to be a much more refined and polished experience, only ruined by telemetry.
    • mschuster9116 days ago
      Windows 10 is decent if you have the Pro version. 7 is good but is a PITA on touchscreen or HiDPI devices, although I have to say even 10 still has its bugs. Never tried 11 though, I'll keep riding 10 on my machines.
      • Krssst16 days ago
        Windows 10 was the start of the forceful push towards use of Microsoft accounts and telemetry, dark patterns to achieve that and weird features nobody wants like like Bing search in the menu or the help opening bing in Edge rather than an actual help or your browser of choice, all that to improve random KPIs without considering user satisfaction.

        Compared to that, Windows 8 was misguided but not a strong attempt at disrespecting user consent.

    • juujian16 days ago
      Windows 7 kind of pulled me back from Ubuntu. Alas it was only for a few years.
    • lunias16 days ago
      Satya Nadella became CEO in 2014, mainstream Windows 7 support ended in early 2015. The dark ages continue.
  • mschuster9116 days ago
    From a security perspective, I'd really really like not just a pre-baked image, but also instructions on how to replicate that using only files and tools with known-good hashes and/or digital signatures.

    I too distinctly remember the times I earned my money cleaning up malware, and a few times the root cause was someone using pre-cracked install media from some shady torrent.

    • axus16 days ago
      I imagine some beefy Microsoft support contracts were required to get all of these updates through this month, with restrictions on redistribution; this isn't Linux!

      Is there any reason that downloading this is more legal than downloading the latest Hollywood movie?

      • mschuster9116 days ago
        > Is there any reason that downloading this is more legal than downloading the latest Hollywood movie?

        Windows ISOs with updates being baked in by third parties (usually computer magazines) has been a thing for well over a decade, ever since MS ceased to do Service Packs. So the pure act of distributing an ISO that hasn't been modified other than applying the official update packages should have enough precedence on the side of distribution being allowed that MS won't be able to do much more than maybe sending a nastygram your way.

        What you definitely shouldn't do though is pre-crack the ISOs... but I doubt Microsoft even cares about that at this point. Massgrave (a very popular collection of activators for everything from Windows through Office) is hosted on Github.

        Unlike earlier times, MS doesn't (need to) care about piracy any more, at least not from private users. The real revenue comes from enterprise and government contracts and, most importantly, the cloud.

        • axus16 days ago
          So legally a gray area, but ethically and financially not a problem.
  • g947o16 days ago
    > Bob Pony, a known enthusiast in the Windows community

    I am 100% sure this guy has all the good intentions, but from a security perspective, I don't know if it is any better than a completely unpatched Windows 7 ISO.

    • gjsman-100016 days ago
      Unpatched Windows 7 is vulnerable to WannaCry/EternalBlue, among other well-known weaknesses.
      • selfhoster1116 days ago
        Not the point. The point is that nobody who doesn't know him knows whether he can be trusted, and the ISO itself might be prepared on a compromised machine unintentionally. This is very much a supply chain issue.
        • antisthenes16 days ago
          You're right. The ISO might have been prepared on a Windows 11 machine.
  • SpikedCola16 days ago
    And it downloads at ADSL speeds for the full experience (although Cloudflare in front of the ISO kind of breaks character).

    https://imgur.com/a/HEjIEVn

    • argulane14 days ago
      For me the torrent file currently is coming down at 26MB/s
  • merpkz16 days ago
    Going to get this and install it on my old Asus core2duo laptop from circa 2008 - damn thing still is going strong, despite plastic becoming so brittle it has not one single panel left without cracks in it. Currently it has XP on it, but that is missing whole bunch of drivers, like touchpad not working and BIOS AHCI has to be in compatible mode otherwise it will bluescreen. It's going to be nostalgia machine where all the games I used to play back in the days are installed.
  • honeycrispy16 days ago
    I have 24h left on the download. Is anyone who has the file willing to create a torrent to share? I can't click on the twitter link for some reason.
  • WithinReason16 days ago
    Security updates up to 2026? If I knew this I wouldn't have upgraded to Win11 recently :)
  • ranger_danger16 days ago
    Infinite captcha loop for me. Not using a VPN/proxy/1.1.1.1/anything like that.
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  • hiprob16 days ago
    Windows Vista technically got to live to see Frutiger Aero come back
  • macrocyclo16 days ago
    Only the ones after it got bad
  • majorchord16 days ago
    Piracy is allowed on HN now?
    • blell16 days ago
      Yes? All news articles contain a link to archive.is as a pinned comment.
      • WalterGR16 days ago
        There are no pinned comments here. Any archive.is links are posted by random members.
        • blell16 days ago
          But are pinned by mods.
      • majorchord16 days ago
        I don't see one here?
        • 131716 days ago
          because this one isn't paywalled
    • Maken16 days ago
      This still requires you to have a valid Windows 7 or Vista key.
    • cornonthecobra16 days ago
      Maybe a nit, but this isn't piracy. Windows has been officially free to download and install since Windows XP. That was when Microsoft switched to their Product Activation DRM, and the license key became the bit you paid for.

      Tangent: I miss MSDN AA

      • ranger_danger16 days ago
        My understanding is that "free to download" means only from MS, but I could be wrong. And I suppose the only way to know for sure would be to take the issue to court, which is also going to be a subjective opinion from a judge.
    • megous16 days ago
      Piracy is a socially responsible thing to do these days, when MS reportedly helps persecuting and killing people. IBM of 2020s.
    • ofrzeta16 days ago
      It's Abandonware, isn't it?
      • majorchord16 days ago
        AFAIK That is not a valid legal defense in the US. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
    • haunter16 days ago
      Always have been
    • CalRobert16 days ago
      Imagine if we actually discussed hacking!