Immigration officers assert power to enter homes without a warrant(apnews.com)
36 pointsby duxup6 hours ago5 comments
  • stevenalowe4 hours ago
    So, face masks, no IDs, no badges, no real warrant, no reasonable probable cause, and no due process, what could possibly go wrong?
  • SlightlyLeftPad6 hours ago
    Very clearly unconstitutional. But that only matters if the people/belongings they apprehended actually get a trial. So their solution is to just skip all that and deport immediately, with or without probable cause.
    • duxup6 hours ago
      It also only matters if the courts choose to get involved and the immigration folks choose to comply.

      No sure thing an that.

    • SilverElfin4 hours ago
      The current administration is post constitution. That (“post constitution”) is a big part of the project 2025 ideology, and you can look up what’s been said on this topic before. It’s not something that they view as a law that limits them but more like an annoyance in their way. So an assertion that a constitutional right doesn’t matter is completely in line with their strategy. Every violation is a way to normalize this until it’s legal.
      • SlightlyLeftPad4 hours ago
        I completely agree and the fact that they’re even able to do that at all means the United States is a failed experiment
    • TacticalCoder5 hours ago
      > Very clearly unconstitutional.

      Because they enter homes that could become to either US citizen or people legally in the US? Do illegals (and that is an honest question) benefit from constitutional rights?

      > So their solution is to just skip all that and deport immediately, with or without probable cause.

      Do they deport US citizens? Out of the 600 000 that they already deported, how many are US citizens? How many are people who were legally in the US?

      Once again, and it's an honest question, legally what's the "probably cause" needed to deport someone who was illegally in the US?

      And, lastly, where was the outrage here on HN when, in 2015, Obama awarded a Presidential Rank Award to Tom Homan (the same Tom Homan) for how he handled the millions (!) of deportations under Obama? I mean: were the methods different? Did the 3 millions+ persons deported under Obama get a trial?

      By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported. I'm not saying Trump won't surpass Obama's score but... Obama was the posterchild of the dems: so where's the outrage? Apparently Tom Homan learned under Obama.

      • UncleMeat2 hours ago
        It is very strange to not know something so basic (whether or not illegal immigrants have any constitutional rights) and also be pointing out such a specific thing (awards granted to Tom Homan).
      • dragonwriter5 hours ago
        > Do illegals (and that is an honest question) benefit from constitutional rights?

        Generally, yes. There are rights that are protected only for citizens (e.g., voting rights), but most Constitutional rights restrain what the government can do to people, an are not keyed to citizenship, or to residency status. It is particularly important that due process rights are not keyed to status, because otherwise simply by presuming a status that is not entitled to due process, the government could absolve themselves of the requirement to prove that you actually had the status in question, and proceed directly to the sanctions associated with the status.

        > And, lastly, where was the outrage here on HN when, in 2015, Obama awarded a Presidential Rank Award to Tom Homan (the same Tom Homan) for how he handled the millions (!) of deportations under Obama?

        The deportations under Obama were manifestly handled differently than under Trump, so one could very consistently object to the latter and not object, or not object as strenuously, to the former.

        > By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported.

        The main objections have never been to the number of people lawfully subject to deportation who have been deported.

      • SilverElfin4 hours ago
        > By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported. I'm not saying Trump won't surpass Obama's score but... Obama was the posterchild of the dems: so where's the outrage? Apparently Tom Homan learned under Obama.

        I don’t remember any evidence of unconstitutional raids, or illegal detainment of citizens, or outright murder of Americans in the streets under Obama. It’s not about the numbers. It’s the purposeful violation of our laws and the addiction to violence we are seeing among ICE agents.

        • oceansky4 hours ago
          Also. I do recall people complaining a lot about Guantanamo. Now with El Salvador it's a million times worse.
        • SlightlyLeftPad4 hours ago
          Also the overt Nazism. I think that’s an important detail.
      • fzeroracer4 hours ago
        Do you agree with the contents of the 4th amendment?

        > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

        Simple question. Yes/No. Choose one.

      • plagiarist5 hours ago
        The fact that people like you are arguing it is fine to blatantly violate the Fourth Amendment (and more) on mere suspicion of "illegals" is horrifying.

        Hopefully you will receive an education someday, and, for your sake, hopefully not in the form of a petard hoist.

  • akagusu3 hours ago
    Since when did ICE become SS?
  • duxup6 hours ago
    Fill title that would not fit on HN:

    Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge’s warrant, memo says

    • tastyface4 hours ago
      The full title is missing context, too: it’s a leaked secret memo intentionally concealed by ICE/DHS.
  • tastyface4 hours ago
    These people claim to be Christian.

    Someone should remind them what’s waiting on the other side as they break down citizens’ doors, abduct shoeless seniors and children in freezing weather, terrorize schools and churches, blind incapacitated protesters with pepper spray, and shoot observers in the head. All with a smirk on their concealed faces.