58 pointsby akyuu4 hours ago7 comments
  • piva002 hours ago
    I believe what Bessent is leaving aside, probably not out of ignorance but for rhetoric sake, is that Denmark isn't alone, alone it would be a small player (while still being disproportionately bigger for its relative size and population) but the Nordics tend to band together, the Nordic Council is one of the oldest and closest alliances in the modern age.

    With the Nordic Council it becomes 22 million people with a GDP of US$ 2.2 trillion, the same GDP as Canada, close to Italy, Russia, and Brazil.

    You piss off Denmark and the rest of the Nordic Council members will support it.

    On top of all of that you then have the European Union, in which the majority of members will also put support behind one of its members (notwithstanding the likes of Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia with its latest government).

    It's really sad to watch this rhetoric unfold from the USA, it starts with the heads but now we see it creeping into comments here on HN. It's bizarre how easily American public opinion is manipulated.

  • pzo3 hours ago
    Its so bad that these day such posts are flagged in HN and you cannot have any discussion about it. Feels like censorship and HN not doing anything about it to be at least transparent about providing some stats how many times something got flagged and how flagging algorithm works so we at least have some confidence that it's not abused by bots
    • tledakis2 hours ago
      we probably need a european HN equivalent
    • tjpnz3 hours ago
      I seem to remember having the ability to vouch for submissions like I can comments. But it's never an option for these. Why?
  • kasperni3 hours ago
    Irrelevant?? Millions of obese Americans will disagree.
    • dboreham3 hours ago
      At first I thought you meant bacon. But then remembered decent bacon like from Denmark is illegal in the US. Then I realized what you mean. But Lilly makes the same drug so probably not a practical issue.
  • usrnm3 hours ago
    I'm sure that every polititian in the EU is deeply concerned, isn't it enough?
  • dybber3 hours ago
    Escalate to deescalate.

    Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth.

    England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland.

    The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Trump to understand the message.

    • utilize18083 hours ago
      I don't understand. Are you implying that Greenland can decide to sell itself then?
      • hermanzegerman3 hours ago
        They can, but they made abundantly clear that they don't want have anything to do with the US
      • dybber3 hours ago
        Greenlanders could vote to be completely independent, yes. That is the situation right now.

        However, Trump has done everything to turn Greenlanders away, and not done anything to convince them of independence would be good for them, so a vote for independence will likely fail catastrophically right now. Independence is many decades away, as they would really have to build a stronger economy to make it happen, but that is the direction Greenlanders would like to go, at least if you asked them 2 years ago.

        • biglyburritoan hour ago
          The "independence" of Greenland under Trump would be identical to the "independence" of Venezuela following the US' abduction of its leader & murder of 100 people during the operation. Whatever Greenland's opinion on independence is, what's on offer by Trump would only be worse in every way than what they currently have.
      • master-lincoln3 hours ago
        Countries can be sold?
        • hopelite3 hours ago
          It happens all the time. America and the EU are bought and paid for. The funniest part is that they’re being paid for with the very money the buyers plunder with the left hand, only to use the right hand to purchase the treasonous dominant class.

          It’s like a sleight of hand magic trick pulled on an infant that is then gleeful for the deception.

        • tjpnz3 hours ago
          Not in a meaningful way which Greenlanders would submit to. There would be constant unrest and civil disobedience, nothing would function, and bringing in your own people (including the armed forces) to keep things barely working wouldn't be a solution either.
          • VladStanimir2 hours ago
            Unfortunately Greenland as a whole has 50.000 people in total of which 20.000 live in largest city and the rest scattered across 19 others. Thats about the size of a small town in the US, the country may be big in territory but not in population.
    • wqaatwt3 hours ago
      > Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth.

      That’s really not even close. Greenland isn’t even remotely self sustainable without Danish funding. It also has MPs in the Danish parliament. So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

      • lm284693 hours ago
        > So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

        Being self sufficient or not isn't part of the definition of a colony

      • dybber3 hours ago
        I’m just trying to explain how absurd the proposition is seen from a Danish perspective, and why we from Danish side will continue to say no, as and refer to the same thing as our PM’s have said again and again: this is for Greenlandic people to decide. They would have to vote for it, but all the parties in Greenland are against joining the US.

        So whatever proposal or threat of breaking down NATO that Trump will come up with will be met with a no from Danish politicians. It is simply not for them to decide. His only option seen from a Danish perspective is to use the military.

    • macmac3 hours ago
      Greenland is not a country, it is a self-governing territory within the Kingdom of Denmark.
      • jleyank2 hours ago
        Puerto Rico is not a country, today, but is analogous to Greenland. They could vote to become closer to the US or vote to distance themselves. Similar to all less-than-independent regions held by larger countries. Remnants of the age of exploration or before, or the crumbs left from wars.

        Pushing the me-strong logic to the (absurd?) limit, why isn’t California a country? Or New England? Or the red state swath of the US?

      • dybber3 hours ago
        I will correct that, but my point stands that we in Denmark just can’t sell Greenland. It is not for us to decide the future of Greenland.
    • baxtr3 hours ago
      If you’re part of an independent kingdom can you decide to become part of another kingdom?

      Asking for an kingdom I know.

      • epolanski3 hours ago
        Sadly we, the "good guys", created a dangerous precedent in the balkans when Kosovo unilaterally split from Serbia, under foreign (NATO) occupation moreover.

        International law does not promote nor support unilateral secessions. If a region or autonomous republic wants to secede it should only do so in accordance to the host country laws. E.g. the Quebec and Scotland referendums were made in accordance to the host countries of Canada and UK.

        But then we created that dangerous case where now every region can secede from their host one unilaterally, even if it's occupied by foreign forces. And in practice, the "legality" of it, really depends on international recognition and the undergoing narratives.

        International laws have always been pleasantries, as there's no real ways to enforce them, but there were powerful incentives for everybody to play by the rules.

        • oytis2 hours ago
          It's hardly a precedent, probably half of the countries worldwide have been formed by seceding from some other country against its will. U.S. would be in this half.
          • epolanski2 hours ago
            It's the first country to do so under foreign military presence since UN inception.

            The only precedents of unilateral secession were Slovenia and Croatia from Yugoslavia and Bangladesh from Pakistan but none did so under foreign military presence.

            • Citizen_Lame2 hours ago
              Lol. Nice ruso-serbian bot.

              Kosovo was helped to avoid another genocide.

              • epolanski2 hours ago
                Avoid witch hunting, it adds nothing to discussions and it's against the rules of this board.
        • baxtr3 hours ago
          Thank you.

          This is a very insightful answer to my snarky cynic comment.

          And you’re right, of course. We dug our own grave.

      • aebtebeten3 hours ago
        You can even become your own kingdom (see california, Hawaii, texas, ...) before becoming part of another kingdom.

        It may not be straightforward, however; as Linebarger states:

        > Formally, war may be defined as the "reciprocal application of violence by public, armed bodies."

        > If it is not reciprocal, it is not war, the killing of persons who do not defend themselves is not war, but slaughter, massacre, or punishment.

        > If the bodies involved are not public, their violence is not war. Even our enemies in World War II were relatively careful about this distinction, because they did not know how soon or easily a violation of the rules might be scored against them. To be public, the combatants need not be legal—that is, constitutionally set up; it suffices, according to international usage, for the fighters to have a reasonable minimum of numbers, some kind of identification, and a purpose which is political. If you shoot your neighbor, you will be committing mere murder; but if you gather twenty or thirty friends, together, tie a red handkerchief around the left arm of each man, announce that you are out to overthrow the government of the United States, and then shoot your neighbor as a counterrevolutionary impediment to the new order of things, you can have the satisfaction of having waged war. (In practical terms, this means that you will be put to death for treason and rebellion, not merely for murder.)

        > ...

        Note that this advice was from the mid-XX; in the XXI not all kingdoms seem to recognise the Geneva Conventions anymore!

        These days it's probably a case of conjugating irregular verbs?

            I am a (dissident turned) freedom fighter
            You are a (perfidious) combatant
            They are (drug-running) terrorists
    • 3 hours ago
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    • mikkupikku3 hours ago
      France could do an atmospheric nuclear test. That would probably wake the senile idiot up.
      • microtonal3 hours ago
        I am happy that some Hacker News commenters are not running countries. One wacko is more than enough.

        The risks are totally not worth it and there are a million better ways to increase pressure (like the trade bazooka).

        • mikkupikku2 hours ago
          Literally Hitler is murdering civilians in broad daylight and threatening to start WW3 by invading friendly territories! Oh but also, we should stay calm and issue strongly worded statements and trade declarations.

          This is an incoherent position. If the threat is as real as claimed, a simple weapon test should be merited. France's official nuclear doctrine permits first strikes anyway.

  • expedition323 hours ago
    I feel bad for Xi Jinping the man has been non stop drinking champagne for the last 2 years.
  • reallymental3 hours ago
    The aggressive nature of the response drops off a cliff after the second paragraph. Hard to take all this seriously.
    • oytis3 hours ago
      Cautiously abandon caution