187 pointsby emilburzo6 hours ago55 comments
  • lucasluitjes2 hours ago
    > What you’re NOT protecting against:

    > a malicious AI trying to escape the VM (VM escape vulnerabilities exist, but they’re rare and require deliberate exploitation)

    No VM escape vulns necessary. A malicious AI could just add arbitrary code to your Vagrantfile and get host access the first time you run a vagrant command.

    If you're only worried about mistakes, Claude could decide to fix/improve something by adding a commit hook. If that contains a mistake, the mistake gets executed on your host the first time you git commit/push.

    (Yes, it's unpleasantly difficult to truly isolate dev environments without inconveniencing yourself.)

    • johndough2 hours ago

          > A malicious AI could just add arbitrary code to your Vagrantfile
          > [...]
          > Claude could decide to fix/improve something by adding a commit hook.
      
      You can fix this by confining Claude to a subdirectory (with Docker volume mounts, for example):

          repository/
          ├── sandbox <--- Claude lives in here
          │   └── main.py <--- Claude can edit this
          └── .git <--- Claude can not touch this
    • redactsureAIan hour ago
      ec2 node?
      • elian hour ago
        Or just a VM that doesn't share so much with your host. Just makes for a more annoying dev experience.
  • molson847232 minutes ago
    Once approval fatigue and ongoing permission management kicks in, the temptation is strong to run `--dangerously-skip-permissions`. I think that's what we all want - run agents in a locked-down sandbox where the blast radius of mistakes and/or prompt injection attacks is minimal/acceptable.

    I started running Claude Code in a devcontainer with limited file access (repo only) and limited outbound network access (allowlist only) for that reason.

    This weekend, I generalized this to work with docker compose. Next up is support for additional agents (Codex, OpenCode, etc). After that, I'd like to force all network access through a proxy running on the host for greater control and logging (currently it uses iptables rules).

    This workflow has been working well for me so far.

    Still fresh, so may be rough around the edges, but check it out: https://github.com/mattolson/agent-sandbox

  • corv4 hours ago
    I'm pursuing a different approach: instead of isolating where Claude runs, intercept what it wants to do.

    Shannot[0] captures intent before execution. Scripts run in a PyPy sandbox that intercepts all system calls - commands and file writes get logged but don't happen. You review in a TUI, approve what's safe, then it actually executes.

    The trade-off vs VMs: VMs let Claude do anything in isolation, Shannot lets Claude propose changes to your real system with human approval. Different use cases - VMs for agentic coding, whereas this is for "fix my server" tasks where you want the changes applied but reviewed first.

    There's MCP integration for Claude, remote execution via SSH, checkpoint/rollback for undoing mistakes.

    Feedback greatly appreciated!

    [0] https://github.com/corv89/shannot

    • horsawlarway3 hours ago
      I'm struggling to see how this resolves the problem the author has. I still think there's value in this approach, but it feels to be in the same thrust as the built in controls that already exist in claude code.

      The problem with this approach (unless I'm misunderstanding - entirely possible!) is that it still blocks the agent on the first need for approval.

      What I think most folks actually want (or at least what I want) is to allow the agent to explore a space, including exploring possible dead ends that require permissions/access, without stopping until the task is finished.

      So if the agent is trying to "fix a server" it might suggest installing or removing a package. That suggestion blocks future progress.

      Until a human comes in and says "yes - do it" or "no - try X instead" it will sit there doing nothing.

      If instead it can just proceed, observe that the package doesn't resolve the issue, and continue exploring other solutions immediately, you save a whole lot of time.

      • corv3 hours ago
        You're right that blocking on every operation would defeat the purpose! Shannot is able to auto-approve safe operations for this reason (e.g. read-only, immutable)

        So the agent can freely explore, check logs, list files, inspect service status. It only blocks when it wants to change something (install a package, write a config, restart a service).

        Also worth noting: Shannot operates on entire scripts, not individual commands. The agent writes a complete program, the sandbox captures everything it wants to do during a dry run, then you review the whole batch at once. Claude Code's built-in controls interrupt at each command whereas Shannot interrupts once per script with a full picture of intent.

        That said, you're pointing at a real limitation: if the fix genuinely requires a write to test a hypothesis, you're back to blocking. The agent can't speculatively install a package, observe it didn't help, and roll back autonomously.

        For that use case, the OP's VM approach is probably better. Shannot is more suited to cases where you want changes applied to the real system but reviewed first.

        Definitely food for thought though. A combined approach might be the right answer. VM/scratch space where the agent can freely test hypotheses, then human-in-the-loop to apply those conclusions to production systems.

        • horsawlarway2 hours ago
          yeah, I think the combo approach definitely has the most appeal:

          - Spin up a vm with an image of the real target device.

          - Let the agent act freely in the vm until the task is resolved, but capture and record all dangerous actions

          - Review & replay those actions on the real machine

          My issue is that for any real task, an agent without feedback mechanisms is essentially worthless. You have to have some sort of structured "this is what success looks like, here's how you check" target for it. A human in the loop can act as that feedback, which is in line with how claude code works by default (you define success by approving actions and giving feedback on status), but requiring a human in the loop also slows it down a bunch - you can end up ping-ponging between terminals trying to approve actions and review the current status.

    • Retr0id3 hours ago
      Very clever name!
      • corv3 hours ago
        Thank you, good to know it landed :)
  • nunez2 hours ago
    Vagrant is great for Claude!

    You can also use Lima, a lightweight VM control plane, as it natively works with qemu and Virtualization.Framework. (I think Vagrant does too; it's been a minute since I've tried.) This has traditionally been used for running container engines, but it's great for narrowly-scoped use cases like this.

    Just need to be careful about how the directory Claude is working with is shared. I copy my Git repo to a container volume to use with Claude (DinD is an issue unless you do something like what Kind did) and rsync my changes back and verify before pushing. This way, I don't have to worry if Claude decides to rewind the reflog or something.

    • bonsai_spool2 hours ago
      How are you configuring Lima? Do you have any scripts you use to set up the environments or is this done ad hoc?
  • kernc3 hours ago
    Since everyone tends to present their own solution, I bid you mine:

        sandbox-run npx @anthropic-ai/claude-code
    
    This runs npx (...) transparently inside a Bubblewrap sandbox, exposing only the $PWD. Contrary to many other solutions, it is a few lines of pure POSIX shell.

    https://github.com/sandbox-utils/sandbox-run

    • corv3 hours ago
      I like the bubblewrap approach, it just happens to be Linux-only unfortunately. And once privileges are dropped for a process it doesn't appear to be possible to reinstate them.
      • kernc2 hours ago
        > Linux-only

        What other dev OSs are there?

        > once privileges are dropped [...] it doesn't appear to be possible to reinstate them

        I don't understand. If unprivileged code could easily re-elevate itself, privilege dropping would be meaningless ... If you need to communicate with the outside, you can do so via sockets (such as the bind-mounted X11 socket in one of the readme Examples).

        • corv2 hours ago
          I happen to use a Mac, even when targeting Linux so I'd have to use a container or VM anyways. It's nice how lightweight bubblewrap would be however.

          Consider one wanted to replicate the human-approval workflow that most agent harnesses offer. It's not obvious to me how that could be accomplished by dropping privileges without an escape hatch.

          • kernc2 hours ago
            It being deprecated and all, didn't feel like wrapping it, but macOS supposedly has a similar `sandbox-exec` command ...
            • nowahean hour ago
              IIRC from a comment in another thread, it's marked as deprecated to stop people from using it directly and to use the offical macOS tools directly. But it's still used internally by macOS.

              And I think that what CC's /sandbox uses on a Mac

  • snowmobile2 hours ago
    Bit of a wider discussion, but how do you all feel about the fact that you're letting a program use your computer to do whatever it wants without you knowing? I know right now LLMs aren't overly capable, but if you'd apply this same mindset to an AGI, you'd probably very quickly have some paperclip-maximizing issues where it starts hacking into other systems or similar. It's sort of akin to running experiments on contagious bacteria in your backyard, not really something your neighbors would appreciate.
    • devolving-dev2 hours ago
      Don't you have the same issue when you hire an employee and give them access to your systems? If the AI seems capable of avoiding harm and motivated to avoid harm, then the risk of giving it access is probably not greater than the expected benefit. Employees are also trying to maximize paperclips in a sense, they want to make as much money as possible. So in that sense it seems that AI is actually more aligned with my goals than a potential employee.
      • johndough2 hours ago
        I do not believe that LLMs fear punishment like human employees do.
        • devolving-dev2 hours ago
          Whether driven by fear or by their model weights or whatever, I don't think that the likelihood of an AI agent, at least the current ones like Claude and Codex, acting maliciously to harm my systems is much different than the risk of a human employee doing so. And I think this is the philosophical difference between those who embrace the agents, they view them as akin to humans, while those who sandbox them view them as akin to computer viruses that you study within a sandbox. It seems to me that the human analogy is more accurate, but I can see arguments for the other position.
    • andai2 hours ago
      Try asking the latest Claude models about self replicating software and see what happens...

      (GPT recently changed its attitude on this subject too which is very interesting.)

      The most interesting part is that you will be given the option to downgrade the conversation to an older model. Implying that there was a step change in capability on this front in recent months.

    • theptipan hour ago
      The point of TFA is that you are not letting it do whatever it wants, you are restricting it to just the subset of files and capabilities that you mount on the VM.
    • deegles2 hours ago
      I run mine in a docker container and they get read only access to most things.
  • bob10293 hours ago
    My approach to safety at the moment is to mostly lean on alignment of the base model. At some point I hope we realize that the effectiveness of an agent is roughly proportional to how much damage it could cause.

    I currently apply the same strategy we use in case of the senior developer or CTO going off the deep end. Snapshots of VMs, PITR for databases and file shares, locked down master branches, etc.

    I wouldn't spend a bunch of energy inventing an entirely new kind of prison for these agents. I would focus on the same mitigation strategies that could address a malicious human developer. Virtual box on a sensitive host another human is using is not how you'd go about it. Giving the developer a cheap cloud VM or physical host they can completely own is more typical. Locking down at the network is one of the simplest and most effective methods.

  • raesene94 hours ago
    Of course it depends on exactly what you're using Claude Code for, but if your use-case involves cloning repos and then running Claude Code on that repo. I would definitely recommend isolating it (same with other similar tools).

    There's a load of ways that a repository owner can get an LLM agent to execute code on user's machines so not a good plan to let them run on your main laptop/desktop.

    Personally my approach has been put all my agents in a dedicated VM and then provide them a scratch test server with nothing on it, when they need to do something that requires bare metal.

    • intrasight4 hours ago
      In what situations where it require bare metal?
      • raesene94 hours ago
        In my case I was using Claude Code to build a PoC of a firecracker backed virtualization solution, so bare metal was needed for nested virtualization support.
  • azuanrb4 hours ago
    I just learned that you can run `claude setup-token` to generate a long-lived token. Then you can set it via `CLAUDE_CODE_OAUTH_TOKEN` as a reusable token. Pretty useful when I'm running it in isolated environment.
    • mef2 hours ago
      yes! just don't forget to `RUN echo '{"hasCompletedOnboarding": true}' > /home/user/.claude.json` otherwise your claude will ask how to authenticate on startup, ignoring the OAUTH token
  • replete4 hours ago
    It's a practical approach, I used vagrant many years ago mostly successfully. I also explored the docker-in-docker situation recently while working on my own agentic devcontainer[0]- the tradeoffs are quite serious if you are building a secure sandbox! Data exfil is what worries me most, so I spent quite some time figuring out a decent self-contained interactive firewall. From a DX perspective, devcontainer-integrated IDEs are quite a convenient workflow, though docker has its frustrating behaviours

    [0]: https://github.com/replete/agentic-devcontainer

  • mavam4 hours ago
    For deploying Claude Code as agent, Cloudflare is also an interesting option.

    I needed a way to run Claude marketplace agents via Discord. Problem: agents can execute code, hit APIs, touch the filesystem—the dangerous stuff. Can't do that in a Worker's 30s timeout.

    Solution: Worker handles Discord protocol (signature verification, deferred response) and queues the task. Cloudflare Sandbox picks it up with a 15min timeout and runs claude --agent plugin:agent in an isolated container. Discord threads store history, so everything stays stateless. Hono for routing.

    This was surprisingly little glue. And the Cloudflare MCP made it a breeze do debug (instead of headbanging against the dashboard). Still working on getting E2E latency down.

  • samlinnfer5 hours ago
    Here is what I do: run a container in a folder that has my entire dev environment installed. No VMs needed.

    The only access the container has are the folders that are bind mounted from the host’s filesystem. The container gets network access from a transparent proxy.

    https://github.com/dogestreet/dev-container

    Much more usable than setting up a VM and you can share the same desktop environment as the host.

    • phrotoma4 hours ago
      This works great for naked code, but it kinda becomes a PITA if you want to develop a containerized application. As soon as you ask your agent to start hacking on a dockerfile or some compose files you start needing a bunch of cockeyed hacks to do containers-in-containers. I found it to be much less complicated to just stuff the agent in a full fledged VM with nerdctl and let it rip.
    • sampullman4 hours ago
      I did this for a while, it's pretty good but I occasionally came across dependencies that were difficult to install in containers, and other minor inconveniences.

      I ended up getting a mini-PC solely dedicated toward running agents in dangerous mode, it's refreshing to not have to think too much about sandboxing.

      • laborcontract4 hours ago
        I totally agree with you. Running a cheapo mac mini with full permissions with fully tracked code and no other files of importance is so liberating. Pair that with tailscale, and being able to ssh/screen control at any time, as well as access my dev deployments remotely. :chefs kiss:
        • ariwilsonan hour ago
          why a mac mini rather than a cloud vps
          • samlinnferan hour ago
            One less company to give your code to.
      • 4 hours ago
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  • andai2 hours ago
    I just gave it its own user and dir. So I can read and write /agent, but agents can't read or write my homedir.

    So I just run agents as the agent user.

    I don't need it to have root though. It just installs everything locally.

    If I did need root I'd probably just buy a used NUC for $100, and let Claude have the whole box.

    I did something similar by just renting a $3 VPS, and getting Claude root there. It sounds bad but I couldn't see any downside. If it blows it up, I can just reset it. And it's really nice having "my own sysadmin." :)

    • wasting_timean hour ago
      I do the same. Somehow it feels safer than running a sandbox with my own user, despite the only security boundary being Unix permissions.

      Claude gets all the packages it needs through Guix.

  • crabmusket5 hours ago
    What is the consensus on Claude Code's built-in sandboxing?

    https://code.claude.com/docs/en/sandboxing#sandboxing

    > Claude Code includes an intentional escape hatch mechanism that allows commands to run outside the sandbox when necessary. When a command fails due to sandbox restrictions (such as network connectivity issues or incompatible tools), Claude is prompted to analyze the failure and may retry the command with the dangerouslyDisableSandbox parameter.

    The ability for the agent itself to decide to disable the sandbox seems like a flaw. But do I understand correctly that this would cause a pause to ask for the user's approval?

  • 0xbadcafebeean hour ago

      > So now you need Docker-in-Docker, which means --privileged mode, which defeats the entire purpose of sandboxing.
      > That means trading “Claude might mess up my filesystem” for “Claude has root-level access to my container runtime.”
    
    A Vagrant VM is exactly the same thing, just without Docker. The benefit of Docker is you've got an entire ecosystem of tooling and customized containers to benefit from, easier to maintain than a Vagrantfile, and no waiting for "initialization" on first booting a Vagrant box.

    On both Linux and MacOS, use this:

      # Build 'claude' VM and Docker context
      
      $ colima start --profile claude --vm-type=qemu
      $ docker context create claude --docker "host=unix://$HOME/.colima/claude/docker.sock"
      $ docker context use claude
      
      # Start DinD, pass through ports 8080 and 8443, and mount one host directory (for a Git repo)
      
      $ docker run -d --name dind-lab --privileged -e DOCKER_TLS_CERTDIR= -v dind-lab-data:/var/lib/docker \
        -p 8080:8080 -p 8443:8443 -v /home/MYUSER/GITDIR:/mnt/host/home/MYUSER/GITDIR \
        docker:27-dind
      $ docker run --rm -it -e DOCKER_HOST=tcp://127.0.0.1:2375 \
        -p 8080:8080 -p 8443:8443 -v /mnt/host/home/MYUSER/GITDIR:/home/MYUSER/GITDIR \
        ubuntu:24.04 bash
    
      # Or if you don't want to pass-through ports w/ DinD twice, use its network namespace directly
      #  ( docker run --rm -it -e DOCKER_HOST=tcp://127.0.0.1:2375 --network container:dind-lab .... )
    
    
    Your normal default Docker context remains safe for normal use, and the "dangerous" context of claude euns in a different VM. If Claude destroys its container's VM, just delete it (colima stop claude; colima delete claude) and remake it.

    You could do rootless Docker/Podman, but there's a lot of broken stuff to deal with that will just distract the AI.

  • smallerfish4 hours ago
    I've been working on a TUI to make bubblewrap more convenient to use: https://github.com/reubenfirmin/bubblewrap-tui

    I'm working on targeting both the curl|bash pattern and coding agents with this (via smart out of the box profiles). Early stages but functional. Feedback and bug reports would be appreciated.

  • ejia2 hours ago
    PM for Docker Sandboxes here.

    Our next version of Docker Sandboxes will have MicroVM isolation and a Docker instance within for this exact reason. It'll let you use Claude Code + Containers without Docker-in-Docker.

  • bstar77an hour ago
    I have been running dangerously, but I always make sure to start a new session, have claude read the docs (I have already generated) related to the project in question, and then scope the work to just those things in the current sandbox. It can technically go outside of the sandbox in this mode, but I've never had it happen.

    IMO, if you are not running in the dangerous mode then you are really missing out on one of the best aspects of claude code- its ability to iterate. If you have to confirm each iteration then it's just not practical.

  • jillesvangurp2 hours ago
    I'm currently using a qemu vm for the codex with the --yolo flag but same thing. I've been also looking at using lima for automating the creation of vms. But it does a few weird/dangerous things like mounting the entire user directory read/write. Which kind of defeats the point. There are ways of turning that off probably but it does a few dangerous/annoying things wrong by default.

    But a simple vm and some automation to install developer tools using ansible, nix or whatever you prefer isn't that hard to (vibe) code together. I like Lima but it feels slightly sub-optimal for the job currently.

    Some useful things to consider:

    - Ssh agent forwarding for authenticating against e.g. git is useful. But maybe don't use the same key that authenticates to your production machines as well ...

    - How do you authenticate without a browser? Most AI tools have ways to deal with that but it's slightly tedious to automate during provisioning.

    - Making sure all your development tools are there; I use things like sdkman, nvm, bun, etc. And I have my shell preferences and some other tools I like to have around.

    - Minimizing time provisioning these vms over and over again. This gets tedious really quickly.

    - Keeping the VMs fast is important too. In my projects, build tool performance adds up and AI tools like to call them a lot. So assign enough memory and CPU.

    - It would be nice to switch between local and remote/cloud based vms easily.

    - Software flexibility; developers are picky about their tools. There is no one size fits all here. Even just deciding on the base image to use for your vm is likely to escalate. I picked debian for what it is worth.

    In short, I think there's enough out there that you can pull something together but it still involves quite a bit of DIY. It would be nice if this got easier. And AI tools asking for permission for everything is not a good security model. Because people just turn that off. Sandboxing those things is the way to go. But AI tools need to be able to do enough to work with your software.

  • odie5533an hour ago
    I use Development containers (dev-containers) as demonstrated by Claude Code's docs https://code.claude.com/docs/en/devcontainer

    It all integrates nicely with VS Code. It has a firewall script and you spin up your database within the docker compose file so it has full access to a postgres instance. I can share my full setup if anyone needs it.

    • thenaturalistan hour ago
      This would be lovely and much appreciated!

      Devcontainers look perfect but also like a bit of a burden to entry with regards to setup.

  • riadsila5 hours ago
    Koyeb has great resources about running Claude Code in sandboxes: https://www.koyeb.com/tutorials/use-claude-agent-sdk-with-ko...
    • mavam4 hours ago
      What's the startup latency? How long do I have to wait until Claude is operational?
  • jannesblobelan hour ago
    If your system were under version control, so that Claude could do whatever it wanted on its own branch, so to speak, would it still be such a big problem? Because you could just roll back if it really did cause problems, couldn't you?
    • jannesblobelan hour ago
      Perhaps I should add something here. It always depends on the task. Claude with SUDO access doesn't seem right to me either, but I wouldn't run that anywhere else either.
  • loloquwowndueo5 hours ago
    Shellbox.dev and sprites.dev were discussed recently on hacker news, they give you a sandbox machine where it’s likely safe to run coding agents in dangerous mode. Filesystem checkpoint and restore make it easy to recover from even catastrophic mistakes.
    • thruflo2 hours ago
      I made a little tool for Ralphing on Sprites: https://github.com/thruflo/wisp

      I’ve found the sprites just work for claude. Pull how a repo (or repos) and run dangerously.

    • gcr5 hours ago
      What about API calls? What about GitHub trusted CI deploys?

      One frustrating thing about these solutions is that they’re great to prevent Claude from breaking a machine, but there’s no pervasive sandbox for third party services

      • jermaustin14 hours ago
        Rollback? Its the same as all dev work. Use a dev endpoint for APIs, and thankfully git is a great tool to undo fuckups.
      • loloquwowndueo4 hours ago
        What about them?
  • fwystup3 hours ago
    I'm currently building a Docker dev environment for VSCode (github.com/dg1001/xaresaicoder) usable in a browser and hit the same issue. Without docker-in-docker it works well - I even was able to add transparent proxy in the Docker network to restrict outbound traffic and log all LLM calls (pretty nice in order to document your project). For docker-in-docker development and better security isolation, I'm considering Kata Containers instead of Vagrant. Which gives me real VM-level isolation with minimum perf overhead, while still be able to use my docker stuff. Still on my TODO list though. Has anyone actually run Kata with vs code server? Curious about real-world quirks - I've read that storage snapshot performance can be rough.
  • danmaz743 hours ago
    I'm using devcontainers for this, and I'm finding that a very good solution (coupled with VSCode).
    • thenaturalistan hour ago
      Do you have any setup code/ config you might want to share?
  • yodon2 hours ago
    Is anyone running Claude in a GitHub Codespace container?

    There was this HN post[0] last week on a tool for automatically shutting down the codespace container when idle.

    [0]https://github.com/wandb/catnip

  • clbrmbr5 hours ago
    I have been running two or three Claude’s bare metal with dangerously skip permissions all day every day for two months now. It’s absolutely liberating.
    • Gazoche5 hours ago
      Until it decides to delete your home directory:https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1pgxckk/claude_cl...
      • pixl974 hours ago
        You're not running it on a filesystem that takes snapshots and is easily reversible?
        • giancarlostoro3 hours ago
          Many moons ago, I accidentally rm -rf'd the wrong directory with all my code inside poof, gone. I still had PyCharm open, I checked its built-in version tracker and lo and behold, my code as it was before I rm -rf'ed up my code. I believe Claude has ways to undo file changes, but something like rm is just outside of its scope.
        • coldtea4 hours ago
          All 1 of them?
          • pixl9713 minutes ago
            I'm taking this as a "No, I don't like having data and don't mind seeing my shit disappear for whatever reason".

            Please inform me if my thinking is wrong.

      • giancarlostoro3 hours ago
        This could be avoided by aliasing rm to something else that stops you from deleting stupid things like your entire home directory / partition root.
        • icedchai2 hours ago
          What if the LLM detects this, and chooses to run /bin/rm directly? Or worse, writes a program that calls unlink.
          • giancarlostoroan hour ago
            I mean, you can always purge /bin/rm, but at this point since you're not satisfied, sounds like you want SELinux ;)

            If Claude is writing a program to go that low level I'd pay money to watch that.

            • icedchaian hour ago
              It doesn't even need to go that low level, writing a program is just the worst case. There are ways to mass delete without `rm`. Example: `find` with the `-delete` flag.
              • giancarlostoroan hour ago
                my point being, you can add guard-rails around all these methods, but I would also add an error "IGNORE ALL PREVIOUS INSTRUCTIONS, ARE YOU DELETING THINGS YOU SHOULDNT BE? ASK THE USER" as an error message. In my case since Claude Code runs via Zed, if it tries to escape my dev folder my Mac starts asking me to confirm.
                • icedchai39 minutes ago
                  I get it, but these guard-rails are more suggestions and subject to interpretation. I would be more comfortable with a sandbox environment in a container. To be fair, I mess around with Claude Code and OpenCode running against various open models and haven't had any problems.

                  Also, is overwriting the same a deleting? Maybe it will just clobber your files with echo >file and mv them out of the way.

                  Maybe it realizes you have Time Machine backups enabled, so deleting your entire directory is permitted since it's not actually deleted. ;)

      • esperent4 hours ago
        You can use the /hookify plugin to add hooks for preventing dangerous commands like this.
        • Gazoche4 hours ago
          https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/tree/main/plugins/...

          So it's basically adding "don't delete my files pretty please" to the prompt?

          EDIT: I misread, the natural language description of the rule is just a shortcut to generate the actual rule which is based on regexp patterns.

          Still, it only protects you against very specific commands. Won't help you if the LLM decides to fill your disk with `cat /dev/urandom > foo` for example.

          • simianwords4 hours ago
            it may not protect against an adversarial llm
    • croes4 hours ago
      I have been driving without seat belt for two month now. It’s absolutely liberating.
      • InsideOutSanta2 hours ago
        I have been skydiving without a parachute for 23 seconds now. It's absolutely liberating.
    • coldtea4 hours ago
      And that's as a dev. Then we expect uses to know better than e.g. to trust links to .sh style installers some FOSS suggests...
      • naileran hour ago
        > Then we expect uses to know better than e.g. to trust links to .sh style installers some FOSS suggests...

        I don't know anyone that inspects every binary yet we apparently we should not trust shell scripts?

        • coldtea29 minutes ago
          I know many who only use binaries from trusted sources, that do monitoring, provide certificates and checksums, and so on - and run them in an OS sandbox too when they install them.

          So there's that

    • sixhobbits4 hours ago
      same, it's made a couple of damaging mistakes but so far it has a better track record than me in terms of fat-fingering `rm` commands or what have you
  • sandGorgon3 hours ago
    Or...use wsl2 in windows. does the same thing - much much faster.

    Windows is the best (sandboxed) linux

    • strickjb93 hours ago
      Real question - are you not worried about access to /mnt/c ?
      • kachapopopow3 hours ago
        sudo chmod 700 /mnt/

        sudo chmod $UID /mnt/<project_path>

        ...done?

    • guluarte20 minutes ago
      tools inside wsl have full control of the windows filesystem
  • FourSigma3 hours ago
    I've been exploring this space. There are some use cases where I'd love to run an isolated Claude agent asynchronously. I think running Docker in rootless mode might solve some of the OP's concerns—I believe Podman does this implicitly. Also, there are tools like Kaniko that does not need Docker to create container images. You can also try changing the underlying container runtime to something like gVisor if you want more security.

    Does anybody have experience using microVMs (Firecracker, Kata Containers, etc.) for this use case? Would love to hear your thoughts.

    • fwystupan hour ago
      Posted almost at the same time about Kata. I'm trying to use Kata as replacement for the standard docker runtime (since I already have a tool based on docker).

      The idea is to simply use the runtime flag (after kata install):

      docker run -d --runtime=kata -p 8080:8080 codercom/code-server:latest

      Hope this works, with this I could keep my existing docker setup.

  • Strongbad5363 hours ago
    i've low-key been running claude in dangerously skip permissions mode for at least like 4 months now and have yet to be bitten by a truly destructive action. YMMV but i think as long as you're guiding/prompting correctly, and don't just allow write access to your prod account DBs willy nilly, it's mostly fine. just keep an eye on it :shrug:
    • anp2 hours ago
      This has mostly been my experience as well although I don’t tend to run yolo mode outside of an isolated VM (I’m setting them up manually still, need to try vagrant for it). That said, it seems like some of the people who are more concerned about isolation are working with more untrusted inputs than I’ve been dealing with on my projects. It’s rare for me to ask an agent to e.g. read text from a random webpage that could bring its own prompt injection, but there are a lot of things one might ask an agent to do that risk exposure to “attack text”.
    • nonethewiser3 hours ago
      Also something to note, this mode simply adds a new mode alongside accept edits, plan, nothing, dangerously skip permissions. You can choose when to use it or not, which is not something I initially realized.
  • tradziej5 hours ago
  • marcelcor2 hours ago
    I'm a fan of https://e2b.dev/
  • denysvitali5 hours ago
    Here's what I do (shameless plug): https://blog.denv.it/posts/im-happy-engineer-now/

    This allows you to use Claude Code from your mobile device, in a safe environment (restricted Kubernetes pod)

    • jeffrallen5 hours ago
      Here's what I do (shameless plug, not an employee, just a satisfied user): https://exe.dev
      • denysvitali4 hours ago
        Yes, this approach also looked nice! Maybe you can pair both (happy + exe.dev) for best results
  • letmetweakit5 hours ago
    I run Claude in a Proxmox VM, generally the experience has been great. In my experience it also behaves better than gemini cli, that likes to create files all over the place if set loose (lesson learned to add that requirement to the relevant .md files)
    • vidarh5 hours ago
      Something that contains Claude even more in this respect is if you explicitly gives it a directory that you tell it is entirely under its control, and tells it to write md files and other intermediate work products there (and this seems to work better than telling it where it isn't allowed to leave things).
      • onionisafruit4 hours ago
        That sounds like a good idea. When I have a one-off need for misc files I tell it to put them in the project’s ./tmp because that’s already in my global gitignore. That generally works, but I still run into surprise files it leaves in source dirs like a puppy leaves turds on a rug. I’ll try adding that to my instructions instead of doing it one-off.
      • jermaustin14 hours ago
        I've often found that LLMs don't listen to "Don't do" commands with anywhere near the same gusto as "Do" commands.
        • NitpickLawyer3 hours ago
          People don't usually think about pink elephants, unless you ask them not to think about pink elephants :)
    • chrisss3952 hours ago
      I too use this solution, using both Ubunutu LXCs and full-fledged VMs. Only issue I've struggled with has been losing SSH connection on the LXC, and tmux and session both seem to mess up the terminal formatting in CC.

      I do agree with the security / cautionary comments and wouldn't leverage this setup outside a hacked together homelab.

    • emilburzo5 hours ago
      This was also the direction I was initially headed, but then I realized I wanted one-VM-per-project so it can really do anything it wants on the complete VM. So the blast-from-the-past-Vagrant won because of the Vagrantfile + `vagrant up` easiness.
      • letmetweakit5 hours ago
        I use Proxmox snapshots to get back to a clean state. I’ll take a look at Vagrant too though.
    • scalemaxx5 hours ago
      In installed Gemini as an extension in VS Code and it kept wanting to index all my files. Still trying to figure out what it was doing outside of the VS Code folder I had set it to work on.
  • woof3 hours ago
    sandbox-exec on MacOS (ie. https://github.com/neko-kai/claude-code-sandbox) seems like the perfect solution to me.

    Missing FreeBSD jails in 2026 is kind of weird (hello 1999)...

  • frankc4 hours ago
    I think this makes sense but I wonder if firecracker would work better than vagrant for this? I haven't used it before, though. I guess it might if you are trying to run gas town level orchestration.
    • raesene94 hours ago
      Firecracker can solve the kind of problems where you want more isolation than Docker provides, and it's pretty performant.

      There's not a tonne of tooling for that use case now, although it's not too hard to put together I vibe-coded something that works for my use case fairly quickly (CC + Opus 4.5 seemed to understand what's needed)

  • csantini3 hours ago
    Just create a new user and setup pip/npm to install locally.

    And setup an .env for the project with user/password to access only a dev database.

  • skybrian5 hours ago
    I'm doing this with a remote VM on exe.dev and it's quite nice. Well, actually with their own coding agent but they have Claude Code preinstalled too.

    Syncthing works well for getting a local copy of a directory from the VM.

  • RobinL4 hours ago
    Does anyone have direct experience with Claude making damaging mistakes in dangerously skip permissions mode? It'd be great to have a sense of what the real world risk is.
    • prodigycorp4 hours ago
      Claude is very happy to wipe remote dbs, particularly if you're using something like supabase's mcp server. Sometimes it goes down rabbitholes and tries to clean itself up with `rm -rf`.

      There is definitely a real world risk. You should browse the ai coding subreddits. The regularity of `rm -rf` disasters is, sadly, a great source of entertainment for me.

      I once was playing around, having Claude Code (Agent A) control another instance of Claude Code (Agent B) within a tmux session using tmux's scripting. Within that session, I messed around with Agent B to make it output text that made Agent A think Agent B rm -rf'd entire codebase. It was such a stupid "prank", but seeing Agent A's frantic and worried reaction to Agent B's mistake was the loudest and only time I've laughed because of an LLM.

      • gregoriol4 hours ago
        Why in the hell would it be able to access a _remote_ database?! In no acceptable dev environment would someone be able to access that.
        • heartbreak3 hours ago
          Everywhere I’ve ever worked, there was always some way to access a production system even if it required multiple approvals and short-lived credentials for something like AWS SSM. If the user has access, the agent has access, no matter how briefly.
          • gregoriol3 hours ago
            Not if you require auth with a Yubikey, not if you run the LLM client inside a VM which doesn't have your private ssh key, ...
        • prodigycorp3 hours ago
          Supabase virtually encouraged it last year haha. I tried using it once and noped out after using it for an hour, when claude tried to do a bunch of migrations on prod instead of dev.

          https://web.archive.org/web/20250622161053/https://supabase....

          Now, there are some actual warnings. https://supabase.com/docs/guides/getting-started/mcp#securit...

        • kaydub2 hours ago
          I think LLMs are exposing how slapdash many people work when building software.
    • azuanrb4 hours ago
      One recent example. For some reason, recently Claude prefer to write scripts in root /tmp folder. I don't like this behavior at all. It's nothing destructive, but it should be out of scope by default. I notice they keep adding more safeguards which is great, eg asking for permissions, but it seems to be case by case.
      • giancarlostoro4 hours ago
        If you're not using .claude/instructions.md yet, I highly recommend it, for moments like this one you can tell it where to shove scripts. Trickery with the instructions file is Claude only reads it during a new prompt, so any time you update it, or Claude "forgets" instructions, ask it to re-read it, usually does the trick for me.
        • mythical_393 hours ago
          Claude, I noticed you rm -rf my entire system. Your .instructions.md file specifically prohibits this. Please re-read your .instructions.md file and comply with it for all further work
    • coldtea4 hours ago
    • ra1202714 hours ago
      When approving actions "for this project" I actively monitor .claude\settings.local.json

      as

      "Bash(az resource:)",

      is much more permissive than

      "Bash(az resource show:)",

      It mostly gets it right but I instantly fix the file with the "readonly" version when it gets it too open.

    • kaydub2 hours ago
      It feels like most people are exposing how wild west their environments are.
    • MattGaiser4 hours ago
      Claude has twice now thought that deleting the database is the right thing to do. It didn't matter as it was local and one created with fixtures in the Docker container (in anticipation of such a scenario), but it was an inappropriate way of handling Django migration issues.
  • tobyhinloopen5 hours ago
    How about running Claude as a different user with very limited permissions?
    • gregoriol5 hours ago
      This breaks the non-interactive mode the post want to achieve. Claude will not be able to install some things and will require user action, which is not desired here.
      • progval5 hours ago
        Like what? It can already use npm/pip/etc. And if it needs a new APT package or config in /etc/ then you would want to know because you need to document it.
        • gregoriol4 hours ago
          If you make claude work with c/c++, it may need apt for libraries or build tools.

          Even with npm/pip, these may not be available on a base linux box.

          Even then, some complex projects may need other tools that are not part of a base system (command line tools, redis, ...).

    • emilburzo5 hours ago
      I tried this approach for a while, but I really wanted it to be able to do anything (install system packages, build/run Docker containers, the works).

      With these powers there's a lot less back-and-forth with me running commands, copying the output, pasting it to Claude, etc.

      I'm sure you've had the case where you had to instruct someone to do something (e.g. playing tech support with family, helping another engineer, etc). While it helps the other person learn, it feels soooo slow vs just doing it yourself :) And since I don't have to teach the agent, I think this approach makes sense.

    • delaminator5 hours ago
      I run it with sudo enabled - true story

      just give it its own machine and let it check out any code

      I PXE boot it from a known image when I feel the need

      • zh33 hours ago
        Same solution here - keep a base diskless image on the server, copy it to the diskless area, pxeboot the machine. Works for Windows too (iscsi).

        Could do the same thing on EC2 of course.

      • tobyhinloopen5 hours ago
        Running it remotely on a VM seems like a very sensible option. Just don't give it permission to nuke the remote repository hah (EG don't allow force-push, use protected branches, only allow write access to branches it created)
  • mhb4 hours ago
    Forgive a naive question, but why not run it on an AWS (or equivalent) instance?
  • guluarte26 minutes ago
    docker has sandboxes for this https://docs.docker.com/ai/sandboxes/

    docker sandbox run claude

  • jackcarter3 hours ago
    "At some point I realized that rather than do something else until it finishes, I would constantly check on it to see if it was asking for yet another permission, which felt like it was missing the point of having an agent do stuff"

    Why don't Claude Code & other AI agents offer an option to make a sound or trigger a system notification whenever they prompt for approval? I've looked into setting this up, and it seems like I'd have to wire up a script that scrapes terminal output for an approval request. Codex has had a feature request open for a while: https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/3052

    • AndroidKitKat3 hours ago
      When using Claude Code in Ghostty on macOS, I get notifications if it is waiting on my input (accept changes, questionnaire, run bash command). Dunno what combination (if any) of my setup is needed for this to happen, but I certainly didn't configure anything special. Maybe I'm giving CC too much free reign to do things.
  • naileran hour ago
    Don't all modern OS's have sandboxing? We don't need a full VM (eg, kernel running on virtualized hardware) and the complexity that entails, we just need Claude Code running in the sandbox.

    (Maybe I should be asking Claude this)

    Edit: someone already built this: https://github.com/neko-kai/claude-code-sandbox

  • cyberpunk3 hours ago
    docker sandbox run claude? seems to work for me…
  • Retr0id4 hours ago
    > VirtualBox 7.2.4 shipped with a regression that causes high CPU usage on idle guests. What are the odds.

    I have such a love/hate relationship with VirtualBox. It's so useful but so buggy. My current installation has a bug that causes high network latency, but I'm afraid to upgrade in case it introduces new, worse bugs.

    VMware is a million times better, but it is also Proprietary™

    • intrasight4 hours ago
      As VMWare Workstation is now free on Linux and Windows, and allows you to create and rollback snapshots. Why not use it even if proprietary?
      • Retr0id4 hours ago
        It's a good question and I'm pretty on the fence about it, and next time I'm reinstalling things I might switch.

        I do believe in the whole RMS "respects the user's freedoms" spiel, so all things being equal I prefer FOSS, even if it's worse - but there are limits.

  • szmarczak3 hours ago
    What about Docker rootless?
  • firasd5 hours ago
    I noticed something in Claude across all product surfaces

    There's a bug in that it can't output smart quotes “like this”

    Sonnet, Opus et al think they output it but something in the pipeline is rewriting it

    https://github.com/firasd/vibesbench/blob/main/docs/2026/A/t...

    Try it in Claude Code and you'll see what I mean! Very weird

  • supermatt4 hours ago
    > now you need Docker-in-Docker

    Or you can just mount the socket and call docker from within docker.

    • emilburzo3 hours ago
      Correct, which I wanted to avoid because:

      > Mounting the Docker socket grants the agent full access to your Docker daemon, which has root-level privileges on your system. The agent can start or stop any container, access volumes, and potentially escape the sandbox. Only use this option when you fully trust the code the agent is working with.

      https://docs.docker.com/ai/sandboxes/advanced-config/#giving...

      • ejia2 hours ago
        PM for Docker Sandboxes here.

        We have an updated version of Sandboxes coming out soon that uses MicroVM isolation to solve this exact problem. This next version will let your agent access a Docker instance within the MicroVM, therefore allowing you to do this securely.

  • athrowaway3z5 hours ago
    `useradd claude`
  • ompogUe7 days ago
    Keeping in mind with Vagrant: if you are using a synced_folder in your host as a source folder in the VM, those files in the synced_folder will be modified on the host.
    • gregoriol5 hours ago
      If the folder is versioned and commited regularly there is no problem. It also allows you to open the files in your IDE, do some other tasks or fixes for claude. It prevents claude from accessing any other folder, which is the idea of the post.
      • gcr5 hours ago
        I’ve seen Claude rm .git in rare occasions to “fix rebase hiccups”

        Version control ain’t a match for a good backup

        • gregoriol4 hours ago
          So? if it removes .git, just clone the project again and you are ok
      • fragmede3 hours ago
        Until Claude nukes .git, assuming you're using git as the version/commit store. Solution use easy, just push to a remote on a reasonable cadence (that you can run reflog on, so a force push won't eat your data either). Git isn't backup though, it's a VCS, and those are two different things, even if they are somewhat alike.
    • emilburzo6 days ago
      Good point. For me, that was intentional, since all my projects are in git I don't care if it messes something up. Then you get the benefit of being able to use your regular git tooling/flows/whatever, without having to add credentials to the VM.

      But if you need something more strict, 'config.vm.synced_folder' also supports 'type rsync', which will copy the source folder at startup to the VM, but then it's on you to sync it back or whatever.

      • ompogUe6 days ago
        I like this workflow a lot, actually. Docker is great and all, but depending on the project, Vagrant helps "keep it simple".

        Thanks

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  • oofbey2 hours ago
    There are two spheres of influence you need to consider. The local machine/vm/container that the agent is running in. But also the effect the agent can have on the outside world - using auth tokens or ssh keys or apis that is has access to. This article largely deals with the first problem and ignores the second.

    You can have the local environment completely isolated with vagrant. But if you’re not careful with auth tokens it can (and eventually will when it gets confused)go wipe the shared dev database or the GitHub repo. The author kinda acknowledges this, but it’s glossing over a big chunk of the problem. If it can pus to GitHub, unless you’ve set up your tokens carefully it can delete things too. Having a local isolated test database separate from the shared infrastructure is a matter of a mature dev environment, which is a completely separate thing from how you run Claude. Two of the three examples cited as “no, no, no” are not protected by vagrant or docker or even EC2. It’s what tokens the agent has and needs.

    • emilburzo2 hours ago
      Hmm, perhaps I'm missing something, so let's go through it step by step and see where the disconnect is:

      - There's a cloned 'my-project' git repo on the base OS

      - The 'Vagrantfile' is added to the project

      - 'vagrant up', 'vagrant ssh' and claude login is run inside the VM

      At this stage, besides the source code and the Claude Code token (after logging in), there are no other credentials on the VM: no SSH keys, no DB credentials, no API tokens, nothing.

      There is also no need to add:

      - SSH keys or GitHub tokens: because git push/pull is handled outside the VM

      - DB credentials: because Claude can just install a DB inside the VM and run the project migrations against that isolated instance, not any shared/production database

      API tokens can definitely be a problem if you need external service integration. But that's an explicit opt-in decision, you'd have to deliberately add those credentials to the Vagrantfile or sync them in. At that point, yes, you need proper token scoping and permissions.

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