26 pointsby andsoitis5 hours ago8 comments
  • Druponan hour ago
    After I learned about her childhood, a lot of her most odious writing online, particularly coming up with poll after poll about hypotheticals in which it might be ok for an adult to have sex with a child [1] [2] [3], made much more sense. She is still dealing with the trauma, trying to bargain with it (the polls on Twitter), trying to gain control over it (much of her personal sexual expression involves simulating what happened again in a controlled setting), and completely in denial about it which means that she's causing harm to people who read these kinds of discussions and don't know this, whether she understands it or not.

    Best to just avoid her altogether online.

    1: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1643703433516441602

    2: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1721238228458430785

    3: https://substack.com/home/post/p-161405272

    • JasonADruryan hour ago
      Yeah, the polls are weird, but I'm not sure your armchair psychologists interpretation of her life is any less weird.
      • Druponan hour ago
        You don't think that being molested by your grandfather might have something to do with replaying that molestation obsessively throughout your life, and trying to come up with hypotheticals in which it can actually be ok?

        I'm just operating at the preponderance of evidence level here, and it seems far more likely to be to case that extreme childhood sexual caused the extreme sexual deviation. Do your P(A|B) work here, it's not hard, given the small probability of both of those things.

        • JasonADruryan hour ago
          Even if you're correct that her being abused in her childhood is related to her choice of career, what do you think you're adding to the conversation by bringing that up?

          What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? That's really the only takeaway from your comment here, that people shouldn't read her writing about prostitution as a business because she was abused as a child. That seems particularly nasty on your part, even if unintentional.

          • Druponan hour ago
            >related to her choice of career

            Didn't imply this. However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution.

            >What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child?

            Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.

            • JasonADrury41 minutes ago
              >Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.

              Is this post dangerous? You certainly didn't refer to any particular dangerous content, just shouting about a couple of weird tweets doesn't seem very useful.

              I really don't get it, unless you're specifically upset by her quite reasonable post about AI generated child pornography, but that'd be weird.

              > However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution.

              Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.

              • Drupon23 minutes ago
                >Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.

                This is HN, not a psychology conference or a therapy session. Feel free to accept or reject my level of epistemological rigor. I just know my priors, and honestly I don't see the value in continuing this conversation if you don't (or pretend you don't). If a lifetime alcoholic died of liver failure, it's entirely possible that he got hepatitis, but I'm going to go ahead and say it was the alcohol and treat any quibbling about causation and correlation as an irrelevant diversion.

                • JasonADrury17 minutes ago
                  Even if you were correct, none of that really seems relevant wrt the actual content of this blog post.
    • JuniperMesosan hour ago
      Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly), I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations, even if you personally find them distasteful.
      • Druponan hour ago
        >I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations

        She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms.

        A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.

        • defrostan hour ago
          Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
          • Drupon43 minutes ago
            You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
            • defrost36 minutes ago
              Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment.

              I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.

              • Drupon19 minutes ago
                If you cannot see the shared characteristics of the two cases, then I really have nothing to say to you. It would be impossible to sufficiently simplify the analogy.

                In the future, if you don't understand, ask for clarification rather than wasting my time with a disingenuous question that requires a full comment round trip to get past.

      • nilum40 minutes ago
        You have no idea how many men are going to find this and be emboldened by it. Men seek permission from women when it comes to pushing sexual boundaries.

        I don't care what her mental state is. She needs to be banned from the Internet.

        • JasonADrury20 minutes ago
          Emboldened to ... spend money on prostitutes?
          • Drupon15 minutes ago
            Ignoring that I think spending money on prostitutes is unethical as labor is coerced (either work or starve), meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this), the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children. I have said it elsewhere, but this kind of specious moral pondering was employed extensively by groups like NAMBLA and others in the 20th century to provide moral cover for themselves.
            • JasonADrury6 minutes ago
              > meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this)

              In a world where all labor is slave labor, rape presumably isn't particularly frowned upon. If I'm going to accept your premise that basically everything I have in life is obtained through coercion, why would I object to obtaining sex that way?

              > the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children

              One of these is not like the other. People advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally doing so as a means of reducing the frequency of people actually having sex with children.

              "AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.

    • paganelan hour ago
      Thought that this Aella at first, too bad that this is indeed her. Pretty sad and bleak story, hope her life will become better and more fulfilled, I genuinely do.
  • JasonADruryan hour ago
    Damn, that's a damning screenshot from the cop forum https://i0.wp.com/knowingless.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10...

    >As an aside, for as long as my fake escort page was up, I was getting text messages to the GV number from guys in this other state trying to set up dates. would run their phone numbers and find out who they were, it was amazing how much some of them stood to lose if they were caught.

    It's incredible to see cops just openly bragging about abusing the access they have.

    • isollian hour ago
      What does BP mean, in the context of the screenshot?
      • dzmienan hour ago
        BP stands for Backpage, a now defunct online classifieds site, which was utilized by sex workers of all kinds in its heyday.
      • JasonADruryan hour ago
        backpage.com
    • immibisan hour ago
      What else would you expect from cops? Why do you think people say ACAB?
    • nikanj42 minutes ago
      That screenshot was really high on the "weird dude power fantasy" scale. I find it very hard to believe that a cop could waste that much effort trying to burn a single prostitute.

      Being a cop is a job, and at your job your boss is on your case about productivity and numbers. "I'm setting up a fake john in a different state to try to snare a single lady for prostitution" just does not move the needle enough to justify the effort

      But as a "I hate whores and dream I was a cop with the power to mess with them" fantasy that screenshot works really well

      • JasonADrury23 minutes ago
        That forum post was made by George Erdel of the Beaufort Police Department, an actual cop.
  • my_throwaway2323 minutes ago
    I'm not sure how to begin to describe the feeling of reading an analytical take on working as an escort. Weird.

    Side note: Every single AMA/QA with a prostitute I've seen I've posted a question I'm anxious to know the answer to, but my question has consistently not received any reply. In essence; Every single job I've ever had has left me with a little bit of muscle memory - a key combination here, a routine there. When working as a prostitute, what are the small little things you're left with that might stay with you for quite a bit after your... career has moved on?

    Alas, I suspect there's no easy answer to it, considering, well...

    • JasonADrury12 minutes ago
      I'm not a prostitute, but I'd guess you'll develop muscle memory for the condoms. Sure, you can get better at sex too, but it's going to be difficult to put most of those lessons into words.

      As a woman, you're likely to end up learning a lot of things about personal hygiene that'll stay with you.

  • Sam6latean hour ago
    Which professions are similar on mileage here? I think Chappelle was spot on, when he used the book ‘The Story of My Life by Iceberg Slim’ to confront the entertainment industry highlighting a concept from the book regarding "mileage on a hoe" (prostitute). He explains that a pimp understands there is a finite amount of "bad things" or work a person can endure before they "lose it" or break down.
  • isolli41 minutes ago
    • waffleiron2 minutes ago
      I know we are currently very early in the comment section, but I cant help compare and notice the shift in tone and response.
  • comrade123426 minutes ago
    She's not making $1200/hr. Total b.s.
    • JasonADrury19 minutes ago
      Why wouldn't she? That's hardly crazy for any bigger city, and she's got a massive online following.

      Even if she looks a bit more plain than the average girl charging that much, there's a plenty of customers who want just that and her platform is massive.

  • everybodyknows4 hours ago
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