32 pointsby squillion7 hours ago11 comments
  • werdnapk6 hours ago
    From the summary of video:

    "40% of fourth graders can't read. Kids are asking their teachers why they need to learn to read when AI can do it for them. Social media has destroyed their attention spans and now teachers aren't teaching, instead they're managing withdrawal symptoms."

    Why are fourth graders on social media and using AI already? My fourth grade kid has no social media presence and definitely isn't familiar with AI tools. This sounds like a parent problem.

    • b3lvedere6 hours ago
      Not all parents on this planet are investing in their offspring. Some parents also miss the required knowledge. Getting the required knowledge could be a society problem.
      • JohnFen3 hours ago
        This is incredibly true, and has been a growing problem from before LLMs came around. Even wealthy families who presumably have plenty of resources they could use to better their children's fates are failing their kids. My sister is a teacher in a well-off school district and has to buy food out of her own pocket (on a teacher's salary) to give to her students because so many haven't even had anything to eat before they show up.

        I mean, these are bare minimum things, people.

      • crises-luff-6b6 hours ago
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    • V__5 hours ago
      A lot of people want to have kids but don't want to be parents. There are a lot of kids who spend hours on tablets watching TikTok and so on before they even reached first grade.
      • magicalhippo5 hours ago
        Couple of years ago I was taking the tram home, and there was a toddler in a stroller. The toddler was young enough she couldn't speak properly. She got frustrated about something and started crying.

        Without hesitation the parent whipped up the iPhone and handed it to her. The kid navigated the menu with ease, launched a game and started playing. After about 15 seconds, she exited the game, navigated a few pages with purpose to another game and ended up playing that instead.

        Meanwhile I was standing there gobsmacked...

        • V__4 hours ago
          As part of the "in-between" generation which skipped lead poisoning and the extreme social media/smartphone dependency, I kinda feel worried.
    • willvarfar6 hours ago
      The very last clip in the video says that it is kids in affluent families taking that direction.
    • xenospn4 hours ago
      How do they expect to understand what the AI is doing if they can’t read the output? Seems like critical thinking skills are also not entirely there.
      • werdnapk3 hours ago
        No need to read text, AI can talk in a voice of your choosing.
  • emmelaich6 hours ago
    Australia's social media ban for young teenagers is probably a good thing but time will tell.
    • b3lvedere6 hours ago
      While, as a parent, i don't like social media in its current form and the effect it has on ALL people, one must not forget that the 'fight' between old and young people has been going for at least 2500 years now. ( https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a... ). I also recommend watching the movie 'The Boat That Rocked' ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1131729/ )
      • obscurettean hour ago
        There is no fight actually and noone is complaining "kids these days" at the moment. KIds are not the ones to blame in current situation. It's 100% work left undone by previous generations.
    • cube006 hours ago
      It needs generational time, the current hooked generation can't give up (not their fault since the largest tech bros build a very additive product), but there's hope for the next generation.

      Unless something worse comes along, like vaping and we undo all the anti smoking progress of the last two generations.

  • dvh5 hours ago
    Why are you letting kids that can't read pass the grade?
    • kodyo4 hours ago
      That would be harmful to their self esteem.
    • SanjayMehta4 hours ago
      "No child left behind"
      • readthenotes1an hour ago
        "Every child college bound"

        (Who knew this was the financial aid industry slogan, and "bound" meant "shackled", not "headed to"?)

  • sweetspecialist5 hours ago
    The 40% stat is not great, there's a better unpacking of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCT31BOLDM
  • thecompilr6 hours ago
    Don’t they still need to read what AI writes? Or did they skip to the TTS stage?
    • werdnapk6 hours ago
      You can "talk" to AI, so I assume this is what they'd be referring to. No need to write prompts or read responses.
      • obscurette13 minutes ago
        That's not THE problem. The problem is that they can't encode/decode text. They lack experience, vocabulary, knowledge and all these little small things needed to communicate via (not necessarily written) text. It's not dyslexia.
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  • _diyar5 hours ago
    While I appreciate the sentiment of the video, I can‘t get past the sensationalist rhetoric / framing of the problem.

    „Skibidi Toilet is rotting brains!! Kids don‘t want cartoons!!“.

    I suppose videos like this might get people to think about the problem who hadn‘t considered it before.

  • watwut6 hours ago
    Per stats in the video results are roughly the same as in 1992, with peak roughly at 2019. I do not know why is 1992 baseline, but for some reason it is.

    OK, I found it, peak was 2020. Just in case someone will (again) argue this means we have to go back to pedagogy of 1970.

  • OutOfHere2 hours ago
    Annual escalation of the grade, e.g. eight grade, should be altogether eliminated in favor of one month modules. This avoids wasting a whole year if one fails the grade. Faster feedback is better, up to a point, and it is better here.

    How would this work in practice though if a teacher has to teach an entire class? Of course it would have to use computer instruction, with the teacher helping small batches of students who're in the month-long module, but only for a fraction of the time. Whatever you do, please do not call it a sprint - it misuses the concept from running by lasting forever, resulting in inevitable burnout.

  • killingtime746 hours ago
    (a joke) 100% of kids can't read then 60% learn
  • jdalgetty5 hours ago
    This is 100% the fault of parents.
    • robshep5 hours ago
      Parents (myself included) have an impossible task of regulating access to technology for their children.

      Societal norms are not aligned with what these educators are saying. I and many other parents know this but they are exposed to technology outside of our direct oversight at schools, friends and relatives houses.

      Imagine whining about smoking in the first half of the 20th century or even the 60s and 70s. Sure there’s an obvious element to it, but smoking rates used to be higher than 50%. Societal norms were that everyone was exposed to smoke, government was lobbied by tobacco and tobacco got rich.

      There has been a generational shift in attitudes to, and prevalence of smoking, but only when the medical consensus was harder to lobby away and politicians were faced with pressure of a critical mass of bereaved relatives. It’s at the this stage that “average” adult has strong enough convictions supported by regulation that society breaks through.

      Meanwhile, as an adult I am borderline forced to use a smartphone for banking, shopping and communication and need superhuman levels of willpower to avoid social media entrapment.

      Big tech is 100% thrilled that people still push around the argument that parents are 100% to blame.

      • vorpalhexan hour ago
        No, you don't need "superhuman levels of willpower to avoid social media entrapment". Just block the damn sites. Delete your account before you do. No you don't need to keep up with Timmy from the 8th grade and his third marriage and worsening benzo addiction.

        People smoked for the same reason people doomscroll - anxiety.

        You can expose your kid to technology and also explain the role of moderation the same way you do with candy and sweets. You will need to model the behavior you want in your kid - that means putting your phone down. Buy a timed lockbox if that is what you need.

    • notTooFarGone5 hours ago
      if it's 5% of parents it's the parents problem.

      if it's 50% it's a society problem and can not be pushed to the individuals.

    • rich_sasha5 hours ago
      These kids will grow up and sadly/likely be a burden on the 60% who can read. Or the even smaller subset who can read, write, count, and be productively employed.