106 pointsby willmarch22 days ago10 comments
  • cdrnsf22 days ago
    They're going to continue abusing people, injuring them, killing them and violating their rights because there's no accountability. The administration endorses this behavior.

    Dissolve ICE, dissolve DHS, impeach Noem and prosecute and or bar every single ERO agent from future public service.

    • pstuart22 days ago
      The promise made was that they were going after "bad people", e.g., murderers, rapists, etc. I don't think many people have a problem with that.

      But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing. It is no longer hyperbole to compare what's happening now to Germany in the 1930's.

    • goatlover22 days ago
      The administration labelled "the left" domestic terrorists, while promoting and pardoning domestic terrorism. There needs to be serious accountability when the Democrats retake power.
      • mothballed22 days ago
        I was brutalized by DHS/CBP when Biden was in power, they won't do shit, and even worse when it happened not even the leftists gave a damn and even on places like HN people suggested I deserved it. No one gave a single shit about my story about being brutalized by DHS until Trump came into power, up until that moment only my own family would believe it. I remember telling the exact damn story on HN pre-and post trump -- post trump I got hundreds of upvotes and pre trump when it actually happened it was almost all people suggesting I deserved it and that I wasn't "telling the facts."

        There will be zero accountability because the Democrats also need the help of those manning the federal machinery to implement their own programs. Even if they might be using it for far less reprehensible things. Civil service reform assures us of that -- it's almost impossible to fire most civil servants so best to just negotiate to overlook misdeeds in exchange for them implementing your campaign promises.

      • cdrnsf21 days ago
        The problem there is that the democrats are ideologically comparable to the Republican Party of the 80s while the Republican Party of today is now a fascist death cult.
      • computerthings21 days ago
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  • duxup22 days ago
    Reports today of lawyers trying to see their clients in Minneapolis are being told they can't until their clients arrive at a detention center ... that might be as far as Texas. They also couldn't even tell them if their client was still in MN or elsewhere.

    It's all just a bunch of illegal garbage.

    The courts have to handle each case and plod around, while ICE as a whole operates without consequence ... except to the people they target. It's a clear pattern of practice at this point, but I'm not sure if the courts are brave enough to act.

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  • treetalker22 days ago
    In my view, no immunity attaches to a "law enforcement" officer's knowing violation of the letter or the spirit of court orders.
    • willmarch22 days ago
      Fully agreed. This is a violation of the spirit of the law and will make everyone view law enforcement agents as untrustworthy protectors of our Constitution.
    • SilverElfin22 days ago
      But who holds them accountable? The DOJ right? Is that who can pursue a case against government officials violating constitutional rights? If so, it’s not enough. We need a rethink of checks and balances. This was clear even after the first Trump administration but we’re well past that now, and in this first year the second Trump administration has conducted a lot more violations.
      • cdrnsf22 days ago
        The DOJ under this administration will abet these violations. Every department that would normally serve as a check is now headed by a feckless loyalist.
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      • kccoder22 days ago
        Sadly, it seems clear at this point it is going to fall to the citizens of these states united to hold them to account.
        • SilverElfin22 days ago
          I sort of feel like they will keep doing things repeatedly to make it seem normal and get their base to support it. As long as they stay “ahead” of the people that way, is there real hope that citizens can hold them to account? My only idea here, which I see more people talking about, is making a general strike happen in all the major cities.
  • josefritzishere22 days ago
    Anyone want to guess what the end game of lawless secret police is? Because I know what happened last time.
    • goatlover22 days ago
      I keep telling myself America isn't 1930s Germany, that the guardrails of this democracy will hold, and if they don't, enough of the people will rise up and put a stop to this. That the military won't go along with firing on it's own citizens when and if given that order. That there is some sort of line even for Republicans and the Pentagon that can't be crossed without the current regime will be removed one way or another.
    • lawn22 days ago
      You mean last time in Russia or in Germany or somewhere else?
  • willmarch22 days ago
    ‘“We were there for a check-in and the original officer said, ‘This looks good, I’ll be right back,’” Prokosch said. “And then there was a lot of chaos, and about five officers came out and then they said, ‘We’re going to be taking him back into custody.’ I was like, ‘Really, you want to do this again?’”’
    • SilverElfin22 days ago
      So the judge ruled the original detention unconstitutional, and then they asked him to “check in” as a deceptive ruse to detain him again? The idea being this time it is constitutional?
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  • sarky-litso22 days ago
    its hard to see how the United States recovers from this administration
    • cdrnsf22 days ago
      I do not think it will. The Democratic Party is not an opposition party in its current form. The GOP will likely hold on to power in a fashion consistent with historical authoritarian takeovers.
    • SilverElfin22 days ago
      Given the administration is openly talking about not having elections, I am not sure it can. I am guessing all this chatter about the insurrection act is itself a cover to not have midterms. Will that be enough to spark mass protests and general strikes? I am not sure. I genuinely think the ability for massively violating acts to be normalized quickly is unprecedented. Anything is possible.
      • spwa422 days ago
        There must be a serious bombshell in those Epstein files if he's doing this to prevent release (anyone else notice it's all paused - again) ?
        • lawn22 days ago
          I saw an article about a witness to a snuff film, and he implicated Trump. Or that Trump was present when a newborn was thrown out of a boat (Trump's "post birth abortion").

          It's pretty bad already.

    • giardini21 days ago
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  • cdrnsf22 days ago
    This being flagged feels consistent with the attitudes of Silicon Valley and tech leadership generally.
    • spwa422 days ago
      This is guaranteed to blow up international trade with the US and one thing is for damn sure - that will silicon valley suffer enormously. It does not make sense.
      • cdrnsf22 days ago
        I agree. The US is fast becoming an international pariah. Every policy implemented by this administration is regressive, ill-advised and/or cruel.
      • kccoder22 days ago
        The GF and I have had multiple conversations about how all these seemingly intelligent people don't: 1) care about anybody else; 2) realize that this too will negatively affect their lives; and I've come to the conclusion that these people are devoid of empathy, and they are narcissists who view themselves as being too important and powerful to be messed with. They'd never do that to me! That would never happen to me!
        • spwa422 days ago
          I don't agree. They're not stupid and they're out to give advantages to themselves. More money, more power, more ... and these actions, especially if justified like you do, will absolutely fail at that.

          If the US as a whole becomes poorer, being a billionaire will mean a lot less.

          I mean I agree they're lacking in empathy, right. But this is not a cartoon. Lacking in empathy is not a goal in itself for these people. It's just not.

      • pepperball22 days ago
        It does make sense if they position themselves to take hard power. That’s worth a lot more than money alone and worth losing even large amounts for.
  • marysminefnuf22 days ago
    Why do people flag anything related to ice coverage? Ice are literal nazis cracking down on dissent, dont support the administration. You gain nothing for fighting their battles online.
    • alecco22 days ago
      I can only speak for myself. If the news article has anything to do with tech and things "interesting to hackers", I upvote. For example, the article about Palantir and ICE yesterday [1]. But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me. There are plenty of other places to discuss this like BlueSky, X, reddit, Facebook, etc. I beg you to please spare this last interesting forum.

      Also it pisses me off how nobody talks about certain very relevant elephants in the room on these discussions. And it's more like venting and coping. Nobody will change their minds. Nothing will be done. Nothing is learned.

      Note: I am not American.

      [1] "The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46633378 622 points and 886 comments

      • chairmansteve22 days ago
        "But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me".

        When a post is of no interest to me, I ignore it. I don't read all the comments and reply to the 20th one.

        • nicbou21 days ago
          So long as they are relevant to the website’s stated topic. It’s nice to have one place on the internet that is not about US politics.
        • willmarch22 days ago
          Good point. That does seem contradictory.
      • willmarch22 days ago
        Fair position. What are the relevant elephants in the room in your opinion, just out of genuine curiosity?
    • SauntSolaire22 days ago
      Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics, and it serves very little purpose to have a threads full of such opinions.
      • chairmansteve22 days ago
        "Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics".

        You are one of the people who replied dude...

      • willmarch22 days ago
        So basically you’re trying to suppress opinions you don’t like or agree with, relevant or not?
        • SauntSolaire22 days ago
          Has nothing to do with me agreeing with them or not, they just tend to be low quality/value in general - more noise than signal on all sides.
          • willmarch22 days ago
            I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
          • mdhb21 days ago
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            • SauntSolaire20 days ago
              There are plenty of websites intended for political discussions. HN, rather explicitly, is not one of them.

              I could write about how political discussions reduce the quality (and go against the purpose) of this site, but thankfully Dang has already covered that, so I'll just link to him instead.

              https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818

              > That’s an incredibly gross personality trait.

              On a final note, I'll add that responses like these are a great example of the general degradation of discussion norms that occurs in these types of threads.

              • computerthings20 days ago
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              • mdhb20 days ago
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                • SauntSolaire20 days ago
                  It's not my "weird fucking content policing", it's literally the stated guidelines for this site -- reiterated repeatedly by the lead moderator, as I linked.

                  Since you're in such disagreement with the rules of this site, maybe, rather than trying to change them, you should take your comments elsewhere.

                  • willmarch20 days ago
                    You’re misrepresenting what the content policy says (making it appear to favor your position more strongly than it does), as I believe a political article that engages intellectual curiosity should not be flagged according to the spirit of HN (which is subjective, of course, and leaves a lot of room for biased implementations even when someone believes they are not being biased).

                    It’s not an easy problem to solve and is hard to balance fairly, so I think your painting of the content policy as being crystal clear is a misrepresentation that isn’t properly taking into account the subjectivity of what is viewed as political and what counts as intellectually stimulating to different HN users (as it seems if something is “interesting” then that tends to override the “political” in many instances on the home page, and is entirely subjective).

                    • SauntSolaire19 days ago
                      The application can be messy, but the policy itself is clear [1]. My position is that you can feel free to argue specific cases, but if someone's against the concept of moderating political stories, then that's directly at odds with the stated policy of this site and they would be better off posting elsewhere.

                      [1] > "I know there are many users (actually a small-but-vocal minority of users) who complain that flags are being abused to suppress political stories. What these complainants never seem to take into account is that we want most political stories to be flagged on HN, for a critical reason: if they weren't, then HN would turn into a current-affairs site, and that would not be HN at all." (-dang)

                  • mdhb19 days ago
                    It’s already extremely clear that you don’t actually give a shit about the rules because you certainly don’t seem to make any effort to follow them yourselves. As someone else pointed out you’re just lying and misrepresenting things to stop others from talking, I really couldn’t have much less respect for someone like that.
                    • SauntSolaire19 days ago
                      I flag all irrelevant political posts I see, regardless of political valence -- as per the guideline in question -- do you?

                      If you don't have anything substantive to say on the topic and want to keep making personal attacks instead, feel free, but I don't think it helps your point.

                      • mdhb19 days ago
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                        • dang17 days ago
                          We've banned this account for repeatedly and egregiously posting personal attacks. You can't post things like this to HN:

                          You’re a dishonest individual

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46676214

                          you don’t actually give a shit about the rules [...] you’re just lying and misrepresenting things

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46675325

                          Nobody else wants you here either. So just leave and take your weird fucking content policing nonsense with you and let adults have a conversation in peace. Don’t you have some kids skateboarding on the sidewalk to yell at instead?

                          And yet you felt the need to dress up your cowardice as some kind of moral argument. You’re exactly the kind of person I thought you were from the start it turns out. Congratulations.

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46666023

                          That’s an incredibly gross personality trait.

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46656285

                          Just straight up making shit up here. WTF are you talking about?

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46485800

                          This is such nonsense and everyone who’s a web developer knows you’re not being honest

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46462462

                          You are the one who replies here looking for a response despite knowing exactly how it was going to go. Don’t be upset when you put yourself in that situation intentionally and it doesn’t go the way you want it to and for no other reason than to misrepresent the data to suit your favourite company yet again. Please just do both of us a favour and don’t reply

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46377969

                          I think you’re odd and I’m not trying to be impolite but you’re going to have to accept the fact that people find your hobby weird.

                          You have once again however just done the exact same thing I accused you of where you are responding to an argument that nobody actually made and then pretending you’re somehow victorious which again is odd behaviour.

                          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46377025

                          The above cases are just a small sample of how badly you've been doing this. It is a serious abuse of this site, as anyone who has read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html knows.

                          I hesitated before banning, because you've also attacked the mods a lot and we don't ban people for criticizing us. However, attacking the mods doesn't make it ok for you to attack others, and I believe that's something the bulk of this community can both understand and agree with.

                        • SauntSolaire19 days ago
                          And I'm simply pointing out that you've not actually yet commented anything substantive. All four of your comments here have included some sort of swipe at me, and none of them actual engage with the topic at hand beyond (charitably) the first one. Do you actually have opinions about the rules here that you wanted to share?

                          I'm not one to dig through comment history to make a point; but if I did, I'm guessing it would look like more of the same.

                          So, unless you have an actual argument to make about the moderation guidelines here, I don't think this conversation is adding any value. I'm not interested in trading swipes with a stranger.

    • daxuak22 days ago
      I'm flagging because early on these obvious alerting news got flagged within seconds, while the equally political happenings, the less immigration-related thus somehow more relevant and appropriate ones, were tolerated.

      I have since decided that this site does not deserve to know.

      • willmarch22 days ago
        Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.
    • fzeroracer22 days ago
      I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.

      Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.

    • willmarch22 days ago
      It’s absolutely an effort to suppress criticism and/or try to deny the now undeniable by some HN users
    • stefan_22 days ago
      The people running YC and their entire social circle voted for this. Half of them are still riding the grift. Now they are all practicing for their Persilschein.
    • UncleMeat21 days ago
      Because there are large numbers of actual factual fascists on this website. These people want to kill you and me.
    • timeon22 days ago
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  • pcf22 days ago
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    • willmarch22 days ago
      I think it is relevant to HN users that the US is falling into authoritarianism with seemingly no guardrails to prevent it.