53 pointsby iamnothere2 hours ago9 comments
  • CGMthrowaway29 minutes ago
    This is democratic erosion and why United States founding documents are singular in their importance.

    Such censorship is passed by elected legislators, interpreted by an independent judiciary, and subject to appeal (which NordVPN has already begun). From a procedural standpoint, that is democracy. But it ignores liberty, proportionality and limits on power.

    Democratic erosion is how governments today expand surveillance, blocking and platform obligations while still technically obeying democratic rules

    • nathan_compton20 minutes ago
      I think this is a misunderstanding: > This is democratic erosion and why United States founding documents are singular in their importance.

      Founding documents don't do shit. What one needs is a culture which is perpetually hostile towards power. All problems of power are social problems. No law, founding document, principle is going to prevent people from doing stuff if they want to do it.

      • pixelready4 minutes ago
        Yeah, for France just compare reactions to these measures to the marching in the streets and general striking behavior you get from austerity measures, and the subsequent backpedaling by authorities. I can only conclude the average person there either just isn’t aware of this, doesn’t understand the implications, or doesn’t value these sorts of digital access erosions in the same way.
    • dyauspitr17 minutes ago
      A lot of good the founding documents are doing in the US these days.
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  • logicalfails34 minutes ago
    Why do individual European countries seem so obsessed with blocking Pirate sites? I assume the majority of IPs being pirated are likely from outside their own country, so the harm is negligible to the individual country's internal revenue streams, no?
    • general146521 minutes ago
      In Czech Republic you are automatically assumed to be a pirate and thus paying fee from size of empty memory device (USB, SD, HDD, ..) by GB. So lot of people will justify piracy by "I have already paid for it".
      • alephnerd16 minutes ago
        Czechia also doesn't have a major entertainment revenue the same way France does. Ligue 1 generates around $3B a year in revenue, while Chance Liga is in the $10M-50M, and most Czech language media remains owned and distributed by state-owned CT, so rights have already been paid. And private sector CME/Nova (formerly owned by Ronald Lauder of "let's invade Greenland" fame and now owned by Petr Kellner's family) and Prima (owned by oligarch Ivan Zach) are used by their owners as political tools.
    • alephnerd29 minutes ago
      Media & Entertainment Services are overrepresented in a number of European countries like Italy, Spain, and France. Tier 1 Football/Soccer is a massive revenue generator, and one of the most pirated products globally.

      > I assume the majority of IPs being pirated are likely from outside their own country

      Ever heard of Ligue 1, home to teams like PSG, Olympique de Marseille, Olympique Lyonnais, and AS Monaco, and superstars like Mbappe, Dembélé, and Hakimi? French viewers also watch Spanish, Italian, Belgian, German, and English football/soccer as well.

    • JanisErdmanis28 minutes ago
      Piracy does not pay taxes ;)
      • 3D3049742017 minutes ago
        Or make "campaign contributions".
  • everdrivean hour ago
    Pretty ominous line here for ProtonVPN users:

    "All VPN providers, except ProtonVPN, appeared in court to argue a defense. They raised various arguments, with the “no-log” defense from Surfshark and NordVPN standing out."

    • 0x3fan hour ago
      What's ominous about it?
      • petcatan hour ago
        Proton is relocating their servers out of Switzerland and into Germany over privacy concerns. They are now facing the possibility of the same privacy concerns in EU countries. Ironically, the safest place to host a private VPN service may actually be USA given the way privacy-related things in the EU are going.
        • 0x3fan hour ago
          The EU member states are still sovereign, though. This French court ruling doesn't really affect the prospects of certain kinds of privacy in Germany. I think the parent might have been referring to the fact they didn't raise a no-log argument, thus implying they do log. But I don't think that makes much sense either.
        • jacquesm37 minutes ago
          The main reason for Protonmail's existence is that they are not hosted in the USA.
        • squigz39 minutes ago
          > Ironically, the safest place to host a private VPN service may actually be USA given the way privacy-related things in the EU are going.

          Why, because American companies are never forced to do things because of copyright and/or law enforcement?

      • LightBug124 minutes ago
        Lazy af, to start with ... considering it's their wheelhouse ...
  • mrtksn31 minutes ago
    To be fair, it is ridiculous to advocate that the solution to a broken system is circumventing the laws. Fix for the problems for copyright and intellectual property systems can't be "heroic" VPN companies.

    Kim Dotcom become filthy rich by selling access to copyrighted materials and turned into folk hero of the alt-right. He was selling other peoples work per the kilobyte when kids were persecuted for copyright infringement, videos taken down for using a few second of music or a clip from another video . That is not a fair system.

  • ironbound2 hours ago
    They should ask Spain, how the court order blocked Cloudflare CDN at the ISP level.. badly
    • izacusan hour ago
      Do the people who asked for that block really think it went badly?
  • LightBug126 minutes ago
    Arrrrrrrrrr, me hearties ... we be needin VPNs fer our VPNs!
  • junglistguy2 hours ago
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  • LexiMaxan hour ago
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    • zxcvasdan hour ago
      vpn, piracy sites, government-level blocking, etc. is all pretty damn on-topic for hacker news.

      the "wrong" types of political content, for this site, are the ones that have nothing to do with technology of any kind, and spark no curiosity otherwise.

  • everyonean hour ago
    One of the benefits of the USA no longer being an ally is we should be able to ignore all this sort of bullshit in the EU now.

    Cory Doctorow was talking about it recently. https://youtu.be/3C1Gnxhfok0?si=OzjYwL16yLzQUwuY

    • speed_spreadan hour ago
      France has its own self important cultural industry to pressure the government. And then sometimes the President himself is married to a pop star.
    • woogeran hour ago
      Eh? What has this got to do with the US? European based sports broadcast rights are an EU & UK issue entirely.
      • ronsoran hour ago
        The truth is that the EU loves copyright and censorship just as much as the US does. The only difference is the branding and who pushes for it.
    • y-curiousan hour ago
      Yes now that the EU is divorcing the US you can now stream soccer illegally! Oh wait… you guys are doing ISP-level censorship on your own

      https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wireStory/spanish-soccer...

      • petcatan hour ago
        That article says that Cloudflare is fighting Spain about the censorship.

        ISP-level censorship is extremely rare in the US. Copyright and piracy is almost always handled by domain seizure ordered by a court, not ISP-level blocking (as is common in the EU).

    • Eddy_Viscosity2an hour ago
      The EU is perfectly capable of doing its bullshit all by itself. See 'chat control'.