64 pointsby suprasam5 hours ago6 comments
  • infogulch9 minutes ago
    How suitable would this be as a zfs send target to back up your local zfs datasets to object storage?
  • yjftsjthsd-h18 minutes ago
    Could someone possibly compare this to https://www.zerofs.net/nbd-devices ("zpool create mypool /dev/nbd0 /dev/nbd1 /dev/nbd2")
    • 0x4577 minutes ago
      I know my missing something, but can't figure out: why not just one device?
  • PunchyHamsteran hour ago
    FS metrics without random IO benchmark are near meaningless, sequential read is best case for basically every file system and it's essentially "how fast you can get things from S3" in this case
    • gigatexal14 minutes ago
      Yup. IIRC low queue depth random Reads are king for desktop usage
  • curt152 hours ago
    How does this relate to the work presented a few years ago by the ZFS devs using S3 as object storage? https://youtu.be/opW9KhjOQ3Q?si=CgrYi0P4q9gz-2Mq
    • magicalhippoan hour ago
      Just going by the submitted article, it seems very similar in what it achieves, but seems to be implemented slightly differently. As I recall the DelphiX solution did not use a character device to communicate with the user-space S3 service, and it relied on a local NVMe backed write cache to make 16kB blocks performant by coalescing them into large objects (10 MB IIRC).

      This solution instead seems to rely on using 1MB blocks and store those directly as objects, alleviating the intermediate caching and indirection layer. Larger number of objects but less local overhead.

      DelphiX's rationale for 16 kB blocks was that their primary use-case was PostgreSQL database storage. I presume this is geared for other workloads.

      And, importantly since we're on HN, DelphiX's user-space service was written in Rust as I recall it, this uses Go.

    • tw04an hour ago
      AFAIK it was never released, and it used FUSE, it wasn’t native.
  • doktor2u2 hours ago
    That’s brilliant! Always amazed at how zfs keeps morphing and stays relevant!
  • glemion432 hours ago
    I do not get it.

    Why would I use zfs for this? Isn't the power of zfs that it's a filesystem with checksum and stuff like encryption?

    Why would I use it for s3?

    • mustache_kimonoan hour ago
      > Why would I use it for s3?

      You have it the wrong way around. Here, ZFS uses many small S3 objects as the storage substrate, rather than physical disks. The value proposition is that this should be definitely cheaper and perhaps more durable than EBS.

      See s3backer, a FUSE implementation of similar: https://github.com/archiecobbs/s3backer

      See prior in kernel ZFS work by Delphix which AFAIK was closed by Delphix management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opW9KhjOQ3Q

      BTW this appears to be closed too!

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    • bakiesan hour ago
      I've got a massive storage server built that I want to run s3 protocol on it. It's already running ZFS. This is exactly what I want.

      zfs-share already implements SMB and NFS.

      • 0x45710 minutes ago
        This is not what it is. This is building zpool on top of an S3 backend (vdev).

        Not sure what is the use case out of my ignorance, but I guess one can use it to `zfs send` backups to s3 in a very neat manner.