44 pointsby leopoldj7 hours ago11 comments
  • pavel_lishin6 hours ago
    Is "Full Self-Driving" still the term they use to describe a mode that does not actually fully self-drive the car?
    • JumpCrisscross6 hours ago
      > Is "Full Self-Driving" still the term they use to describe a mode that does not actually fully self-drive the car?

      To be fair it's appended with "(Supervised)".

      • IvyMike5 hours ago
        This is very forthright (misleading)
      • UltraSane2 hours ago
        That is extremely (dis)honest
      • FireBeyond5 hours ago
        Yes, after being battered by everyone from NHTSA to the FTC to threats from class action lawyers, that was added, several years later. To be fair.
    • CursedSilicon6 hours ago
      Hey! I'll have you know that trillionaire-because-he-absolutely-deserved-it Elon of Musky promised Full Self Driving in 2017. That's next year! /s
      • gdulli5 hours ago
        Sounds like you're using an LLM as your calendar.
        • CursedSilicon5 hours ago
          The joke was meant to be that next year is actually 2027. Which means Elmo's promised FSD is almost a decade late
          • gdulli5 hours ago
            I know, I was adding on the joke that LLMs can't get the year right.
  • darkteflon5 hours ago
    What happens to people who paid for it as part of the sticker price? Are they grandfathered permanently?
    • graemep5 hours ago
      It sounds as though they are from the wording, but who knows what a future update may bring?
  • hnspirit953 hours ago
    I can't help but think of an absurd situation where your subscription ends mid use and results in a crash. Like I'm sure the engineers have thought of this but the image of someone cruising down the road and getting a popup to enter their payment info before careening off a cliff is just so humorous... until the horrifying possibility that it could be reality sinks in.
  • m463an hour ago
    Their cars become less and less attractive.

    No dashboard, later no turn signals, no drive stalk, defrost on touchscreen, now car is becoming subscription-based...

  • jmpman2 hours ago
    I paid for FSD the first month it was offered monthly. Was so bad I wanted my money back but couldn’t figure out how to get Tesla to refund. Feel worse for those who paid the full $8k
    • jerlam6 minutes ago
      It was $15k at the peak of Tesla hype. That's the cost of subscribing for 12.5 years.
  • JumpCrisscross7 hours ago
    Make hay while the sun shines. BYD will force self driving to table stakes in a few years.
    • blackoil7 hours ago
      Not just BYD, huawei solution is almost at par with Tesla. German, Korean, Chinese all will be there in few years.
    • graemep5 hours ago
      Once they are established they will require a subscription, or they will stop support after a few years so you have to buy a new car or pay more to get extended support.

      Whatever it takes to extract more money from you.

      • JumpCrisscross4 hours ago
        > Once they are established they will require a subscription, or they will stop support after a few years so you have to buy a new car or pay more to get extended support

        Not how competition and commoditisation works.

        • graemep3 hours ago
          No, its how vendor lock in and deceptive pricing work.
  • toomuchtodo7 hours ago
    Ran out of suckers to pay the lump sum.
  • KellyCriterion5 hours ago
    doumented here:

    https://elontime.io/

  • calmbonsai2 hours ago
    I mean, at least in the U.S., an "FSD System" can't (yet) be held fully liable and there's not enough legal precedent for it (atm) even if it could.

    Thus, if you drive in the U.S., you're both stupid and irresponsible if you utilize any "FSD" system while you're behind the wheel. Note that this legally distinct from "autonomous self-driving" like Waymo.

    I have zero doubt we'll eventually get there, but it's going to be quite some time (over a decade?) for real FSD to be ubiquitous enough for the requisite traffic law changes and for this stuff to have gone through enough legal challenges in the various state courts.

    • qwerpy2 hours ago
      Stupid and irresponsible driver here. It drives quite well and saves me considerable mental energy on every drive I make now. If it gets into a wreck I know I’m liable, but in years of using it, that hasn’t happened. So why not enjoy the more relaxing drives now?
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