6 pointsby shuttlestock4 hours ago3 comments
  • SilverElfin4 hours ago
    This is frankly scary. Elon has been thoroughly radicalized. And the US casually talks of invading other nations. We need to reduce defense spending and maybe reduce all money that flows to SpaceX or other Musk companies. Otherwise this merger of the government and corporate power could be a dark future.

    Also an interesting note from the comments on that website:

    > Yes Heritage Foundation is the same org that developed Reagan’s Star Wars / SDI in the ’80s and more recently wrote Project 2025

    • shuttlestock3 hours ago
      Musk wasn't radicalized, he's always been this way. As the article says, SpaceX was founded with Michael D. Griffin, the head of Strategic Defense Initiative -- the very space weaponization program that Golden Dome is now modeled after. Griffin started the Mars Society with Zubrin (another war hawk), then took over NASA and funneled billions of dollars + people and plans to SpaceX before they had done anything.

      The whole let's pretend to try and colonize Mars with private enterprise to help build the technology for SDI in plain view was conceived by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Advisory_Council_o...

      (and indeed, lots of them were Heritage Foundation people)

    • anovikov4 hours ago
      What's really scary about it? What happens if US actually attacks baddies and wins the war?

      It might sound like an impossible task; but it's not. Defences are mainly to augment the first strike, that is, to counter the (relatively) few second-strike weapons that survive American first strike. It's not hundreds but perhaps only a few of a few dozens of them, and defence does not need to be absolute, if a few slip through, it's still OK.

      • Timon3an hour ago
        > What's really scary about it? What happens if US actually attacks baddies and wins the war?

        The really scary part is that the US are the baddies right now. What if they win the war?

      • recursivecaveat4 hours ago
        Ummmmmmmmm, for starters killing millions of civilians? Then filling the atmosphere with the soot of nuclear war resulting in global famines? Consider also that 1 singular missile reaching NYC kills 1.5 million Americans in the 1st 24h, and injures 3 million more. You can't 'win' a two sided nuclear war lmao. Only someone completely microwave-brained by ideology and with a deep hatred for human life would consider an offensive first strike.
        • anovikov4 hours ago
          These days, offensive first strike doesn't need to be nuclear at all. Nuclear will work even worse than conventional (because airborne debris from nondestructive previous nuclear hits may wreck subsequent incoming warheads).
      • goku1228 minutes ago
        The really scary part is in how your reply differs from the comment you're replying to. So, Here are the relevant parts from your parent comment:

        > And the US casually talks of invading other nations.

        > Otherwise this merger of the government and corporate power could be a dark future.

        And here is the relevant part from your reply:

        > What happens if US actually attacks baddies and wins the war?

        I get frequently downvoted for saying this. But I'm going to say it anyway on behalf of the 96% of human beings who are not US citizens. To the Americans, the "baddies" are anyone who America chooses to pick a fight with. But the rest of the world has a very different perspective.

        I won't say that everything that the US did in the past was evil. But if you throw a dart at the world map, you're more than likely to hit a place that's a memorial to the US mission of 'spreading freedom and democracy around the world'. Except, those places (and sometimes the whole world, like in case of Venezuela) would have been better off without the US brand of freedom. There are far too many examples of this, but I'll just mention two that are currently relevant. Check out the history of Venezuela and Iran to see why they became 'rogue' nations to begin with.

        The US preoccupation with wars and immensely destructive weapons has always been a serious security concern for the rest of the world. US warhawks and neocolonial corporations were always on the prowl for resource-rich nations to 'liberate', especially oil rich nations. But the current regime is off the charts and doesn't even bother to hide their greedy motives. Their predecessors at least cared about their international image enough to make something up as excuses (Iraq, anyone?). Now you have a government of racial supremacists and a bunch of billionaire tech bros who drool about technofascism! Why wouldn't the world be worried?

        But honestly, I'm not as worried as the others are. They think they're above every law. And that includes even the laws of physics and economics.

  • onetokeoverthe4 hours ago
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