14 pointsby nopakosa month ago3 comments
  • ggma month ago
    All kinds of things could be said about the second order effects of them booting an app, and most of them do ultimately involve the threat aspect of state actors or other rich VC class people and what they do.

    I think we tend to forget, that their legals will be telling them they simply don't HAVE to do this. Not, what they should think, or do, but providing the cash focussed getout: you have no obligation here.

    That passivity brings them advantages. Not having to act, means choosing to "wait and see" is a low bar justifiable decision inside their role and obligations. Not what you and I might think, what they feel obligated to do.

    Remember that when Apple did voluntarily explore CSAM scanning logic, the community pushed back hard. So they have recent experience to drive wanting not to act. It hurt last time.

    • bigyabaia month ago
      > that their legals will be telling them they simply don't HAVE to do this.

      Their legals are, outright, telling them not to do this. Apple has an App Store monopoly, the moment Grok or X gets booted off then it's lawsuit time for them. Apple could at any point forfeit their monopoly by supporting third-party app distributors. But this is what they chose, and Apple has to balance the abuses with the judgement calls as a result.

      > So they have recent experience to drive wanting not to act. It hurt last time.

      What does that have to do with anything? Apple doesn't care how much things hurt their users. Any company that would suggest client-side-scanning is entirely willing to hurt their users, you just said it yourself: "most of them do ultimately involve the threat aspect of state actors"

      • ggma month ago
        Their decision to code CSAM "pink detecting" logic and deploy, hurt them. It hurt in terms of reputation, it hurt in terms of lost sales, and development costs which couldn't be recovered.

        I wasn't discussing hurt to users.

  • JohnFena month ago
    > These men aren’t beholden to shareholders, per se. They’re doing their duty to institutions they’ve devoted their lives to.

    But what about doing their duty to the nation?

  • nopakosa month ago
    It's another sign that -by some measure- "America has crossed the line into competitive authoritarianism". There was this opinion piece some months ago in the New York Times by Steven Levitsky, Lucan Way and Daniel Ziblatt which I recalled when I read this. [https://archive.is/WZMpM]
    • aebtebetena month ago
      In 1940, the face-eating leopards were crocodiles:

      > Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. —WLSC

      • gsf_emergency_6a month ago
        Re: feeding estuarine man-eaters

        The left ("authoritarian" or not) is currently better at getting outraged (bottom, "delicatus"/"pasivo"?), and the right is better at trolling (top-- "activo"(?))

        (This was the unambiguous Roman ideology I was maybe hinting at ..so you know Scott Locklin is indeed "non authoritarian" just like he claims

        https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/

        I basically picked the book because of this, and because wakipedia said it was the world’s most offensively misogynistic series of novels (all four novels were in this book). I was disappointed in this;

        Note that here he applies the incorrect strategy --> )

        Long before we get to selfdeprogramming, mutual reprogramming looks like the left trolling the right, and the right learning how to get outraged.

        Thus.. tips from homophilic role-switching ex-Nazis (leather lovin' fans of Rome long before the SV-neocon detente)?

        • aebtebetena month ago
          looks like asking people to read the greeks is already considered trolling.

          for latin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Bithynia ?

          „Die Partei ist kein Internat für höhere Töchter, sondern eine Kampforganisation.“

          Q. What do woke parents and maga parents have in common when their kid Silas wants to be called "she/her"?

          A. "Oh my god ... we no longer have a son!"

          ^-- above the belt ----------- below the belt --v

          Q. Why won't the new East Room ballroom be a success?

          A. Because Trump is good at holding balls, but he always chokes when he goes to them.

          Trump and Putin are meeting at Mar-a-Lago for the Strategic Hypersonic-Arms Restraint Treaty. Kayleigh McEnany wants to get on Trump's good side to start her interview, so she compliments his outfit: "Hey Donald, nice top". He starts to reply, "Thanks! I was gi..." but is interrupted by Putin, who gruffly says "У меня есть имя, знаете ли!"

          • gsf_emergency_6a month ago
            That last one could work (someone mid has to find it funny)

            https://youtu.be/dzdBE6c1cwA

            • aebtebetena month ago
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1J5lUKnD4I

              other examples of the tone you're going for (at anyone's expense) would be helpful. Normally I get almost all my good lines from Rabinovich, but even a wider late soviet net doesn't turn up much beyond "...and it's in Melania's handwriting"

              (I agree that oestrous propaganda is unlikely to play on HN, but I must admit upon hearing the rumour that there is good money to be had in drawing commissions for Rule 34 content that the only deep-pocket collectors I could think of were Three Letter Agencies)

              • gsf_emergency_6a month ago
                Fwiw salty pro-AfD comments together with one American(?) (mid?) asking if they had a branch in the ole country indicated trolling had happened (whether intended or not)

                Re: other vid-- that one seems to sit on the thin line between satire and documentary

                • aebtebetena month ago
                  Aha! I'd missed "zweiheit", and although I know a good EEPH joke I'd never have recognized the tune...

                  Only tune I know from there is Nina Hagen's "Farbfilm" (recently I learned that while others needed to build balloons to escape from the east, apparently she just wrote a strongly worded letter ... and EEPH's people were so eager to get rid of her that it worked)

                  Is it still possible to troll with the ehemaligen union? (1 May has been googlebombed to be "law day" in the ole country, and one fine cold war year two wags ran the hammer and sickle up an official flagpole... folks were not amused)

                  once as a party tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP7LpUVUgqA

                  once serious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBnCo2SKafU

                  PS ich musste sehr lange suchen, um das Salz zu finden. Partystimmung pur!

                  • gsf_emergency_6a month ago
                    E: https://youtu.be/WiR-5swzlvE

                    Hope you didn't miss the NK flag either!

                    Hmm the essence of (US) rightwing suffering seems to stem from being made to sit in a room (=to think beforehand)??

                    For me, that explains the (high-)SV-feudalist detente (both of which selectively empower personalities who prefer to think afterwards/with whatever they have on hand?)

                    Let me know if you have any objections/nuances to add

                    • aebtebeten25 days ago
                      Ha! I think the late soviet D'Artagnan may have been a bit thirstier:

                        With the beauty and the goblet, with the lucky blade
                        While while while we swing the feathers on our hats
                      
                      The answer to "What do we want to drink?" is obviously "Greek Wine"! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU2uKnFIhRY

                      Ja, ja, hab's gesehen, aber no besser ist: Partei für Arbeit, Rechtsstaat, Tierschutz, Elitenförderung und basisdemokratische Initiative

                      Fun Fact: NL actually has an "Animals Party"

                      „Wenn Politiker nur noch Satire machen, müssen wir Satiriker wohl Politik machen.“ (I'd argue for a US version, but it'd be difficult to beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-VglGOKR3E ; also https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1768176974-20260112.png has a point)

                      Aha, not just a flag; they have DPRK-Pop in their playlist. "Korea Does What It Is Determined To Do" ... Kim needs to diss Trump for biting his flow.

                      (one of my big fears is the trying everything else before thinking will lead to walking right into an Ems dispatch; as long as MAGA really had been isolationist that was much less of a worry)

                      Nuanced anecdote?

                      A MAGA hat wearer laughs three times:

                      1) when the joke is first repeated 2) when it has been explained 3) when they finally get it

                      An R member of congress laughs twice:

                      1) when the joke is first repeated 2) when it has been explained, and everyone else is laughing

                      An ICE officer only laughs once:

                      1) when he detains the one who first repeats it

                      A Besserwesser doesn't laugh at all:

                      - they say they've heard this one before, and anyway their guy did it better — at least he had a plan

                      • gsf_emergency_625 days ago
                        U: https://youtu.be/IrbKSY8z6v0 Just in case

                        Sure, nuanced anecdote would be great.

                        That must be a deep joke, I have to meditate hard to find the surprise (maybe it's in "Besserwisser(s) vs the Real WorldTM"? or the joke is that it's an anecdote, really?)

                        I didn't laugh but I had a stupid grin the whole time

                        Meant to link the OG but D playing the "most famous DDR anthem" that you have never heard of seemed hilarious at the time https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIkdbiXTl-PA5dcmuv5EYNCZX...

                        (I now recall that the tune itself is actually Breton, oops)

                        Ps: I've a bad case of brain fog today... human in the smbc is propagandist??? If Linebarger was always sincere in his leaflets this guy is Jesus H Christ. Didnt really get the ironsky clip either. Much later then.. :(

                        • aebtebeten25 days ago
                          Breton? Maybe I have the wrong one, it sounds (nyet nerodnaya?) chastushka to me:

                            А дела теперь пошли любо-мило,
                            Сколько сразу к нам земли привалило,
                          
                          o.O (more cynical than triumphant?)

                          "D'Artagnan"'s appreciation of mammaries is a good shoutout to their Goldmundian namesakes; Aramis, who was doing a thesis (Narcissistic?) to become a cleric (on Augustine VIII.7/17?), was known for his cavalier chivalry.

                            mammaries...
                            light the corners of my mind...
                          • gsf_emergency_624 days ago
                            It's just my personal reconstruction of how a German song got to be so full of Russian commenters

                            https://youtu.be/5imObmpjAV8

                            My "theory" is that it was the DDR (Oktoberklub) cover that spread it to them.

                            en.wiki's version of the history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_ar_chistr#History

                            Besserwissers of the world, unite!

                            https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46611549

                            (Keeping in mind "Unintentional is the best form of trolling"-- As Bws we can't achieve Xp's (sama type natural genius') level of sincerity but we can approximate it :)

                            PS: https://youtu.be/y4-raxIA2h0

                            (Our man in north America :)

                            Gen Z knows this song better than you might think! See newest comments ;)

                            • aebtebeten24 days ago
                              « Tonnerre de Brest ! »

                              Having recently seen a "Barbie Girl as sung by Sabaton" interpretation, I wonder if we can get anyone to do "Milady", Barbie Girl as interpreted by D'Argtagnan?

                              AG's done Peremen as well; my favourite on this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIzFRIX60E&t=910 , of which Silenzium would disapprove, but Cordwainer approve.

                              As to Zapad, I have to admit Igla has near-zapadern levels of violence/sex ratio... up until now I'd thought White Sun of the Desert was about as far as one ever got in union film.

                              Do you have any idea which came first, HOI or Polandball?

                              • gsf_emergency_624 days ago
                                HOI < PB < HOI4 < TNO

                                Chance! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618738

                                (Tho I suspect you'd have a better shot if you directed the question as a reply to his latest comments)

                                I confess to bouncing off of hop..

                                Trolled by it being too overtly exoteric?? Haha

                                (What would PH feel if I claim that anime music would never have the reach of rap. A blessing? A silver in the Cloud?)

                                Prep hop.. weird in its hypernormalcy. Or hypernormal in its weirdness. Or wrong question..

                            • gsf_emergency_624 days ago
                              Z for zapad?
                • aebtebetena month ago
                  While we're on the subject of KZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2W47fpL7pI

                  Overheard in MC: «Бери Шанель, пошли домой!»

                  • gsf_emergency_624 days ago
                    KZ as in the lager?
                    • aebtebeten24 days ago
                      KZ as in the home of A-Studio, apples*, and Baikonur! (and a strategic mineral or two?)

                      How would we make cider without apples, häh?

                      • gsf_emergency_624 days ago
                        Central Asia politics as a latent force for world peace. Later..